Posted on 08/04/2009 11:09:28 AM PDT by MissTickly
"Dear Orly:
PER YOUR CURRENT KENYAN BC: Are working FOR Obama, Orly? I am on to you.
THIS IS A SHAM. You knew the following BEFORE you filed your recent debacle in court. I know, I wrote and told you so did another poster:
This is not a good pursuit of things as it could result in placing The President's VITAL RECORDS under court seal, keeping, We, the People, who have Oversight of the agency, who has the Oversight of the records from legally viewing them per UIPA Provisions (§92F-12) (3) (15).
This is a legal and responsible route to pursue the documents. I have done so and asked that ’significant privacy information’ per exceptions found in (§92F-13(1) be omitted from the records. As lawyer, Orly knows this is true.
The ’significant privacy information’ per Obama’s Vital Records are these: DOB & Ethnicity
Place of birth, hospital, address at the time of birth, weight, etc.. ARE NOT considered ’significant privacy information’ per by the UIPA open records law in Hawaii and most states in America as far as I can tell.
These provisions in context of Fukino’s TWO public statements and the current political climate MANDATE that disclosure of his VITAL RECORDS serves the Public. (§92F-12) (3) (15)
UIPA STATUTE Part II: “To balance the individual privacy interest and the public interest, allowing access unless disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record should likely be resolved IN FAVOR OF ACCESS.”
DEAR ALL FREEPERS:
Orly, I believe, is working for OBAMA. Please urge her to step off, she's not helping the cause for truth. I suspect it is entirely intentional, too. She's a lawyer and knows about the Hawaiian OPEN RECORDS LAW. Yet, she hasn't tried to pursue it? There are TWO provisions that call for the public disclosure--she KNOWS THIS.
Think about it--where has she found all the resources to keep pursuing this when others have not? Has she ever helped this cause so far--in terms of GETTING ANSWERS?
WELL, I HAVE. This is MY story, that happened, Monday, July, 27:
On a whim I decided to try my hand at a question for Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the Department of Health that holds the President’s vital records. Believe me when i say I have not sought an answer to the ‘birther’ question in any formal way ever before this day. I emailed her and I asked her about AMENDED original birth certificates, something which by sheer existence alone, usually (not always) indicates a person was ADOPTED:
In a nutshell, this is what I asked her:
“Ms. Okubo–
Director Fukino made this statement (Oct 2008): ““Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures… ” Therefore, she has the statutory authority to answer this question:
“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?” Please reply with her answer.”
You see, they have the same statutory authority over an Amended Original Birth Certificate that they have over an (unamended) Original Birth Certificate. No one has to attest to an Amended Original Birth Certificate’s existence or have ‘tangible interest’ in the record. By virtue of STATUTORY AUTHORITY alone she can answer my question, AND she clearly says so.
But, to my surprise, at 11:47 p.m. on Monday, July 27, 2009 I got an electronic press release with a new statement, the first in EIGHT months with the ‘natural born citizen’ stuff people have been talking about all week:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
I had this sent directly to me by Janice Okubo, herself, in response to my emailed question. And I suspect I had it hours before the press had it. I searched Google for any reference to this statement. None. Not even FactCheck.org had it.
Of course, since they are able to drive the story through the media they needlessly added the stuff about being ‘natural born’ and ‘born in Hawaii’ to the answer to my question and to detract from the affirmative answer to my question and to fit their agenda. It was the headline on Yahoo! by the following morning.
But the answer to my carefully crafted question was there none-the-less:
“original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures...”
BECAME “original vital records [plural] maintained on file”
This was too vague for my taste, so I asked for clarity. So, I asked specifically if the Director would make a statement that she has the STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO MAKE: “As Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, I have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” But I got this in return: “The director has nothing further to add to her statements.”
I let Ms. Okubo know that I fear something is preventing Dr. Fukino from making statements she does have the authority to make. Duress? And told her I was compelled to tell someone. I did, I sent an email to two major networks.
ANYWAY: Knowing in my heart why they made that statement on Monday, I pressed on. I looked at the UIPA Open Records Act in Hawaii and found ANYONE can make a request--not just Hawaiians. So using the question I’d already asked, I filed a UIPA Information Request.
Then I thought about it some more. The way I worded it felt wrong and it seemed like an inappropriate way to use the UIP Act and I withdrew it immediately and telling them I didn’t have the stomach for it.
Then I went back and read the UIPA Guidelines thoroughly and found the provision(s) that require the RESPONSIBLE disclosure of ALL OBAMA’S VITAL RECORDS citing not one, but TWO provisions. I want you to read my formal request and the follow up statements I sent. Read them in the order I have listed them, which is backward in chronological order beginning with today’s follow up. I think they read better that way. They have 10 days to respond, and I have recourse beyond The Dept. of Health noncompliance if that’s the case. I can re-file with the Hawaii Office of Information Practices for thier ruling.
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None of this LEGITIMATE EFFORT will make a difference if Orly pursues this. She is a lawyer, she knows I have followed UIPA Guidelines per Hawaii's Open Records Law and that I have made a case for disclosure.
I feel I must expose this, and I am sorry if anyone disgrees but this has become apparent to me.
Thanks for listening with an open ear!
Accusing people of acting without honesty is not going to help your case. Remember what I said - think before you post. Choose your words carefully. You’re upset. You feel attacked, humiliated, embarrassed, exposed, whatever. Step away from the keyboard for a bit. Come back when you can respond with unemotional arguments.
well I went back and read the post. OMG! Can’t stop crying LOLOTF!!!
wait a minute, who are you again? LOL!!!
Mr. P:
For your pleasure even though you are busy
I just went to your comments at HuffPo last year which someone linked to earlier in this thread in the misguided effort to discredit you - and that's exactly how you represented yourself there last year. In fact, judging from your posts, you evidently got hounded away from there as well last Spring because you refused to fall in line to support Obama & repudiate McCain.
As for your atheism - I don't get at all why others here believe that's relevant to your work to confirm your suspicions about Obama's shadowy origins. There are plenty of other atheists & agnostics who post on FR and have from the very beginning of this forum.
Honestly, I really hope you don't stay away because of the way you've been treated here today. Ya can't take it personally. Sometimes posters take the easy way out, and rather than go to the trouble of attempting to craft a rational argument to persuade you why you might be wrong, they cop out completely & pull the trite 'troll!' or 'rino!' gambit - it saves 'em from having to come up with an intelligent response if they disagree with you about something.
And too, you must understand that we're all extremely jumpy around here because Obots have socked themselves here in droves to discredit the forum. UNLIKE you, however, they aren't upfront about who they are. They only purport to have common cause with Freepers on this issue. You've obviously put your reputation & your time where your mouth is.
I think most people were upset with her attitude.
MissTickly, if you are still reading these posts I'd encourage you to start your own blog or website. I'd visit it.
MissT, I for one think FR ought to welcome useful alliances with others (i.e., Hillary supporters who agree that something’s not quite right about BHO). In return, I think that those others just need to make sure they respect the mores of FR. There are some things about the FR statement of purpose that I am a tad ambivalent about, but I figure posting here means not making an issue of those things. I also avoid flaming. Also, I think posting things that are provocative or over-the-top just to “get it out there so we can discuss it” is poor policy. But be that as it may, I would regret seeing you have to leave FR. (I’m sorry some of us are a little quick to call “troll.” The stress lately about the BC stuff has been intense.)
I’ve only been a FReeper for a year, but I haven’t seen an Admin Mod step into a discussion like this before. I think you should seriously consider whether or not FR is a good fit for you.
If you’re a PUMA, then you might like NoQuarter. They’re anti-Obama and self-ousted former Democrats.
Good advice.
“Give MissTickley a fair hearing. She does deserve it!”
Nope....I’m on Major Cook’s side, and his lawyer is Taitz. So, I trust her over someone else. Besides her accusation against Taitz is assinine. Taitz may not be the best attorney, but she ISN’T working for the Obama administration. That is the most absurd thing I have read yet. Next Miss Tickley will claim that Taitz is a KGB plant.
(shaking my head)
u r an Atheist?
“No, she is genuinely looking for answers and trying to do it through offical channels.”
PS - Even IF she genuinely is, she will NOT get them. You can’t play by the rules with “corrupt” officials...if indeed they are, because they have NO respect for law.
No need apparently.
The whole issue is an uphill battle.
I am of the mind that Taitz and Berg in their separate paths are going to be the ones who prevail in the end. And the court system takes time.
I would too, though I'm not even a birther - yet,at least. lol!
But gosh, it just pains me to see people who are fellow-travellers in our fear of what this man is doing to our country being repudiated just because they don't toe the conservative line 100%. We need all the friends we can get!
Btw, I need to clarify an error in my post about her posting history at HuffPo - she was essentially chased off there in Spring 2008, & not last spring as I wrote, for her refusal to bow down to the Obamessaiah.
funny, I thought it was a graceful invitation lol
Jim this person is a Hiltery loving demoncratic troll. Her threads should really be pulled. She is NO true fried of FR. I’m not saying that Dr. Taitz is any saint or genius, but “MissTickly’s” assertions about Taitz are just plain assinine.
I think you should hang around and welcome your thoughts.
On this issue you are just not making sense. That is not an insult but a reasoned thought.
I think you were spouting several viewpoints last week which also were not well thought out or through.
Wasn’t one of them the act of 1790 which was repealed in 1795? You were also trying to argue case law but had no offers of your own.
You had it with me, LucyT, Polarik, MHGTN... and a few others and kept changing the argument.
Hang around, I have my responsibilities to make my offerings to the Admn gods. They require a sacrfice from time to time and they work so hard they need the humor.
I hope curry favor with them in hopes that one my inane posts will be immune from the ZOT police.
Newbie athiests who send freepmails with “Eat shit, pig.”
Yeah, we’re still banning them. FR’s policy has not changed.
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