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Ancient Rome's Real Population Revealed
Live Science ^ | Oct 5, 2009 | Andrea Thompson

Posted on 10/07/2009 5:08:10 AM PDT by decimon

The first century B.C. was one of the most culturally rich in the history of the Roman Empire - the age of Cicero, Caesar and Virgil. But as much as historians know about the great figures of this period of Ancient Rome, they know very little about some basic facts, such as the population size of the late Roman Empire.

Now, a group of historians has used caches of buried coins to provide an answer to this question.

During the Republican period of Rome (about the fifth to the first centuries B.C), adult male citizens of Rome could be taxed and conscribed into the army and were also given the right to vote. To keep track of this section of the population (and their taxable assets), the Roman state conducted periodic censuses.

Unexplained increase

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: ancient; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; population; revealed; rome

1 posted on 10/07/2009 5:08:10 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Horde hoard ping.


2 posted on 10/07/2009 5:08:45 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Burying coins to avoid taxation, then forgetting where they are? No wonder Rome fell!


3 posted on 10/07/2009 5:39:20 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: decimon
Ancient Rome's Real Population Revealed

finally

4 posted on 10/07/2009 5:43:47 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: decimon
I'm really skeptical. This is not a robust methodology and there are a lot of opportunities for bias/skewing in the basic data, analysis and reporting.

I certainly agree that Rome eventually suffered catastrophic population decline, but in the 1st century or earlier? Come on. And a total population of 5 million would be dramatically too low to support the number of legions they maintained in the field, especially in a pre-modern economy that was still agragarian in nature, no matter how refined.

Am I misunderstanding this somehow? The city of Rome itself had at minimum a population of several hundred thousand, with serious estimates ranging upwards to a million or more (and historical claims up to 7 million, I believe, though I think those can be discounted). That would only be a small portion of the total, given the presence of other large cities like Ephesus, Antioch and Alexandria with 6-figure populations each. And yet most people would still have lived in villages or farms, not in the larger towns and cities that were so plentiful at this time.

5 posted on 10/07/2009 5:50:18 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Liberty1970
I'm really skeptical. This is not a robust methodology and there are a lot of opportunities for bias/skewing in the basic data, analysis and reporting.

I'm taking this as an additional and not exclusive approach to estimating the population. And I'm taking it to mean the population of little more than the Italian peninsula. Big assumptions on my part in the lack of a more complete account.

6 posted on 10/07/2009 6:02:44 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
If you want a reliable measure of population, determine the amount of fresh water coming into the city on a daily basis.

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7 posted on 10/07/2009 6:13:39 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm
If you want a reliable measure of population, determine the amount of fresh water coming into the city on a daily basis.

That would be the population of just the city of Rome, itself a disputed figure.

8 posted on 10/07/2009 6:19:55 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

OK, that would make a lot more sense (for the Italian peninsula itself).


9 posted on 10/07/2009 8:48:16 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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10 posted on 10/07/2009 3:16:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: LonePalm

I think that the water flow of the Roman aquaduct system would only set an upper limit for the population. Probably not useful for predicting actual population. A good bit of that water would have flushed directly into the sewage system anyway.


11 posted on 10/07/2009 3:27:08 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: SunkenCiv

And we need to know that because....?


12 posted on 10/07/2009 3:28:16 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: Monkey Face

The imaginary population was getting boring.


13 posted on 10/07/2009 3:36:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ah. I thought that was why video games were invented...?


14 posted on 10/07/2009 3:42:26 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: Monkey Face; SunkenCiv
And we need to know that because....?

Because the more we know, the more we know.

;-)

15 posted on 10/07/2009 4:35:46 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

Are you sure?


16 posted on 10/07/2009 4:51:36 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: fanfan
Because the more we know, the more we know.

Not necessarily true for everyone.....

17 posted on 10/07/2009 4:51:42 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Monkey Face; SuzyQue

Yes, ladies.
The few of us with brains can run the world.
(Good men are welcome too.)

We have started listening to audio books in the car.
Last week, for about an hour, it was Sun Zu’s art of war.
This week, we started The 12 Caesars by Suetonius.

Much of it is over my head, but I do learn more than, er, expected.


18 posted on 10/07/2009 5:10:23 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

I hate edumecation. It makes me feel like I’m less than prefect...


19 posted on 10/07/2009 5:17:24 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: Monkey Face

But we are less than perfect.

Remember those lines?

Line up for your challenges....so we did.

:-D


20 posted on 10/07/2009 5:20:04 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: decimon

maybe when he opened the wheat and gave away free bread the illegals came in and destroyed the place.


21 posted on 10/07/2009 5:20:42 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: fanfan

Yah. What YOU said.


22 posted on 10/07/2009 5:22:12 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: Monkey Face

*HUGS*


23 posted on 10/07/2009 5:54:36 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

(She says)


24 posted on 10/07/2009 5:55:50 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: Monkey Face

(typed)


25 posted on 10/07/2009 6:04:26 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: decimon; devolve
There was a very interesting story in my newspaper recently about Nero’s revolving dining room that was recently found by archaeologists.

This link doesn't tell it but I read that there were 3 giant stone balls that supposedly were turned by a water flow and the wooden platform continually revolved.

LINK

26 posted on 10/07/2009 6:05:07 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: fanfan

Why are you up so late...?


27 posted on 10/07/2009 6:06:12 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: decimon
The first century B.C. was one of the most culturally rich

That explains the moral turpitude and the beginning of the cultural end.

Ring a bell?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

28 posted on 10/07/2009 6:08:58 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: fanfan

I hope you didn’t think I meant you. I was talking about anti-science types in general.


29 posted on 10/07/2009 6:10:18 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Monkey Face

Trying to win a Porsche.

Have a good night Sis.

(hug)


30 posted on 10/07/2009 6:16:36 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: SuzyQue

LOL, no, but thanks for checking.

You made a good point.


31 posted on 10/07/2009 6:17:51 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

If you win a Porche, I’ll help you drive it!!!


32 posted on 10/07/2009 6:19:34 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: Monkey Face

K.

:-)


33 posted on 10/07/2009 6:20:51 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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