Reindeer Herder Finds Baby Mammoth in Russia Arctic

Reuters ^ | Aug 19, 2011 | Alissa de Carbonnel

[FrogMom]

A reindeer herder in Russia's Arctic has stumbled on the pre-historic remains of a baby woolly mammoth poking out of the permafrost, local officials said on Friday.

[beaversmom]

My 9 year old said, “If it were alive it would have been much more spectacular.”

[the invisib1e hand]

Instead of the moron O Boy calling Moochelle baby mama, he calls her ...

....ah, yes. Would love to see how the first lady reacts to that.

[aruanan]

Certainly not overnight or in 2 or 3 days...

If they were found with food in their mouths (what I heard in pre-internet days was buttercups), whatever it was that killed them did so fairly quickly. If there was a sudden drop in temperature, even over the period of a couple of days, food in the mouth could still appear fairly fresh since it would freeze much sooner than the core of the body. Also, if what killed the mammoths and other large mammals was that super solar flare between 11-13k years ago, the radiation could have been sufficient (it was calculated as probably being on the order of several Sv/hour--I was going to link it, but that link is on the computer in the lab) to impede bacterial growth until everything was so solidly frozen that it was as good as being done almost instantaneously.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks wildbill.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Fred Nerks.

[aruanan]

Here is the link I was referring to: Evidence for a Solar Flare Cause of the Pleistocene Mass Extinction by Paul A LaViolette. This is the abstract with a link to the full text via PDF but, unfortunately, it requires a subscription. If you want the PDF, let me know. Here's the abstract:

ABSTRACT. The hypothesis is presented that an abrupt rise in atmospheric radiocarbon concentration evident in the Cariaco Basin varve record at 12,837 ± 10 cal yr BP, contemporaneous with the Rancholabrean termination, may have been produced by a super-sized solar proton event (SPE) having a fluence of ~1.3 × 10¹¹ protons/cm2. A SPE of this magnitude would have been large enough to deliver a lethal radiation dose of at least 3–6 Sv to the Earth’s surface, and hence could have been a principal cause of the final termination of the Pleistocene megafauna and several genera of smaller mammals and birds. The event time-correlates with a large-magnitude acidity spike found at 1708.65 m in the GISP2 Greenland ice record, which is associ- ated with high NO–3 ion concentrations and a rapid rise in 10Be deposition rate, all of which are indicators of a sudden cosmic-ray influx. The depletion of nitrate ions within this acidic ice layer suggests that the snowpack surface at that time was exposed to intense UV for a prolonged period, which is consistent with a temporary destruction of the polar ozone layer by solar cosmic rays. The acidity event also coincides with a large-magnitude, abrupt climatic excursion and is associated with elevated ammonium ion concentrations, an indicator of global fires.

[madison10]

I think the skull is shaped differently. The mammoths have a large hump over their ears/neck, that elephants do not, or at least the elephants’ hump is not an pronounced.

[CynicalBear]

Mammoths, dinosaurs, etc. were all part of the world prior to Genesis 1:2. “The world that then was”. When Lucifer rebelled and took control of that world God destroyed it to the point that it was “without form and void”. When God removes Himself from the world all heat is taken away and everything freezes instantly.

[skeptoid]

How did these things freeze before they rotted or were devoured by something?

Walt Brown has a theory.

NOTE: the link is a page in a book.
The entire book is on the site.

[skeptoid]

. . . One interesting and unexpected feature reported by Herz (1904, 623) was an erect male genital. . .

See the Hydroplate Theory,

Frozen Mammoths,

and note #64 on this page for an the cardiovascular mechanics.

[djf]

Thanks. Some good analysis there.

I admit I actually adhere to the crust movement theory. For a long time, I’ve been convinced that sometime in the past, the astronomical north pole was directly above the Hudson bay.

It’s almost perfectly round, exactly what you would expect if the north pole ice cap was above it.

I even have a globe that I drilled a hole in at the center of the Hudson Bay and remounted it, and redrew the equatorial and meridian lines.

Using that model, most if not all of Siberia would have been between 30 and 40 degrees north latitude.

Well able to support vast herds of large mammals.

[djf]

And anyone who has been to that part of Canada, Western Ontario, can tell you it is FLAT FLAT FLAT!
Millions (probably literally) of these tiny lakes, I think the average elevation in that part of the world works out to be only a couple feet above sea level (high tide).

Exactly what you would expect from a terrain that had been crushed flat as can be by the monstrous weight of miles of ice on top.

[FrogMom]

One interesting and unexpected feature reported by Herz (1904, 623) was an erect male genital.

Suffocated, perhaps?

[hellbender]

Yes, but the climate was much colder then. There were no SUVs spewing out CO2, for one thing. /s

[hellbender]

Yes, but mammoths were able to live in a climate where humans could not last long without clothing. Besides, what was going to eat a dead mammoth? Small mammals like rats, foxes, etc. would find it hard to survive in the climate where mammoths could live.

[djf]

Well, for one, we know there were a lot more types of carnivorous mega-fauna back then.
Like the sabre-toothed tiger.

And several species of giant bears.

I’m just askin questions, hell, I don’t know...

[Flag_This]

"There were no SUVs spewing out CO2, for one thing. /s "

That's true, but I bet those mammoths were emitting their share of green house gases.

[Flag_This]

"Besides, what was going to eat a dead mammoth?"

Dire wolves and cave bears would've made pretty short work of a mammoth carcass.

[Flag_This]

"For a long time, I’ve been convinced that sometime in the past, the astronomical north pole was directly above the Hudson bay."

Have you ever read Charles Hapgood's "Paths of the Pole?"

His theory was that the polar ice caps would build to such an extent that centrifugal force could ultimately displace the thin outer crust of the earth out of position by miles at a time - causing all sorts of destruction in the process.

[djf]

I actually have it somewhere downloaded on one of my machines.

Antarctica is the continent with the highest average elevation on Earth. Something like 3 miles, IIRC.

And it’s not rock - fixed to bedrock. It is ice. Ice that under the right circumstances, could be persuaded to move somewhere. Like into the ocean basins.

Great flood, anyone?
Surf’s up!!