Skip to comments.Huge Arctic Ozone Hole Leaves Scientists Gaping
Posted on 10/08/2011 9:59:44 AM PDT by Twotone
The science journal Nature is making headlines this week with news of the largest hole in the ozone layer over the North Pole in history, rivaling the size of its well known Antarctic cousin. Researchers credit this "unprecedented Arctic ozone loss" to "unusually long-lasting cold conditions" in the stratosphere at a time when their colleagues are in turmoil over melting Arctic sea ice a few miles below, supposedly caused by man-made global warming. Of course, humans are also responsible for the chilly stratosphere, they say. With sky-is-falling overtones the article's authors warn, "We cannot at present predict when such severe Arctic ozone depletion may be matched or exceeded."
Gee, I wonder if this means that all those “gaping” scientists don’t understand the environment as much as they think they do??
It sounds as though they REALLY don’t understand the function of the ozone layer at all.
Researchers credit this "unprecedented Arctic ozone loss" to "unusually long-lasting cold conditions" in the stratosphere at a time when their colleagues are in turmoil over melting Arctic sea ice a few miles below, supposedly caused by man-made global warming.
They understand well enough to ban all CFCs...
Ok, fine, can I have my aerosols and freon back? Thanks
Here we go with the ozone hole thing again. I guess they might as well revive what worked last time. The polar bear and penguin thing is wearing kind of thin.
Watch for a new web site, “Sunscreen for Polar Bears”
Well, it’s one of two things. Either human action wasn’t the primary culprit before the CFC ban, or it would have been worse without it and we ought to turn the entire government over to environmental experts. I think I know which of the two the Greenies will be calling for.
Gaping o-holes’, Batman!
It’s not as big as the O-hole in Washington.
Therefore government money must be given to Christian Churches to research alternate ways for unicorns to sing. Money must also be given to conservative scientists to breed better unicorns.
Your TAX dollars at work if we were as delusional as democrats...
Time to get rid of it.
Maybe Ubama can give them a loan. That seems to be the kiss of death for any company.
I’m just thankful they did not find the hole over Crawford Texas. You know those ozone holes really follow the Bush family around.
Ozone is a free radical of oxygen. Regular oxygen is O2, Ozone is O3. To make ozone you subject regular oxygen to UV light. Let’s see, are there any stars near the Earth that emit light in the UV spectrum?
I deserve a governement grant, dammit!
That takes no understanding at all. They could have just as well banned the consumption of beans.
These GW pukes give scientists a really bad name.
Putting results before the prospect or data, solely for agenda driven speculation and baseless conclusions.
Give them time. First they have to ban all fossil fuels.
Imagine you own a company that manufactures the single best coolant ever known.
This coolant changes he world for the better, including refrigerating medicines to save lives in Africa, etc. etc.
This coolant makes your company $$$BILLIONS of dollars
Now... imagine the patent is about to expire, and once it does EVERYONE can make it ...
What do you do? do you sit back and watch a few billion dollars income go away?
Or do you invest a few million to start an environmental movement to ban your own product?
And the only thing that is allowed to replace your product is an inferior coolant that is highly corrosive and is significantly more harmful to “the environment”
OMG! We must act fast and do something before all of the Arctic penguins disappear.
Or, alternatively, somebody figures out your coolant might actually not be all that neat an idea ~ so at the moment it looks like maybe the Iceland supervolcano may be blowing off some fluorine we missed?
What about Santa!?!?
No, it's not. O3 is an allotrope: an alternative metastable form of oxygen. Typically because it's less energetically favorable than O2 under low-atmospheric conditions, it breaks down into O2, and there are some reactions which can cause it to break down into allotropic free radicals; but O3 itself is an ordinary molecule, not a free radical.
Ah, I see. So their aim is to have their edicts chiseled in stone, literally.
Ban Asthma Inhalers!!!!
What if we someday discover that ozone depletion and global temperature fluctuations are natural processes not affected at all by human activity? And, yes, I want my freon back, too.
What history? And I thought all those hair spray aerosol bans would fix everything.
/grumble, nothing is ever fixed by Government, only God.
I get it, and it’s sad that I am forced to know how to get it.
Thanks for the chemistry refresher... its been a while.
Now, can I please get a government grant?
Now we are right in the early stages of what looks to be an average to below average solar maximum. So for the next few months we will see the worse of the very weak previous 5-6 years. This winter will be horrific. The good news is the recent activity, if it remains active, has stopped the cooling, but it will be awhile before we see net warming. Probably next summer at the earliest.
This actually is a very good situation to study the affect of the solar cycle. Just went through 5-6 low activity years and the past few winters have been nasty. Lets see how soon the activity from the maximum will start reversing the bad winters. If the activity levels remain were they are now, this winter will be the worse, followed by next winter which should be moderately warmer.
And I do not care what some idiots with a few measurements are claiming the global temperature average is or was. They are just idiots with too few and too inaccurate measurements. All that matters with respect to global cooling is the severity and length of the winter.
“Thanks for the chemistry refresher... its been a while.
Now, can I please get a government grant?”
Yes and in the true fashion of the gubmint, we need to give you twice the money because you were wrong the first time around, and you need those funds to study why your first study was flawed!! LOL
Yup. Earth is no longer a safe place for the children of the land of 19.
Ever breath in a big gulp of fluorine?
By the same reasoning no one would continue to manufacture a drug after the patent expired.
They’d make up some horrible side effect and manufacture inferior drugs to replace it.
Can I have my CFCs back now?
Yes, using stone chisels.
That is a valid point, but you could not just do that for every product. It’s not easy, or everyone would have done it since patents began.
There is nothing else like Freon.
And it made them $billions. That’s the key- the size of the money pot. It takes an awful lot of money to get a worldwide ban on something.
For a drug company it would not be cost effective, and they plan for patents expiring.
There is/was no alternative plan for the Freon patent expiring. There is nothing else as good.
So rather than using their existing already paid for equipment and extensive hard-won experience in manufacturing the stuff to get a smaller slice of the huge pie, it made sense from a business perspective to spend billions of dollars to destroy their own product, buy new equipment and or do extensive and expensive modifications of the existing equipment, relearn how to build a different inferior and NON-PATENTED product and compete on level ground with hundreds of other manufacturers of fluorochemicals?
I got news for you, bud. Everybody plans for when their primary patent expires. It’s not like the expiration is a big surprise.
Look how long Xerox milked xerography. First patent filed October 1937.
Buy your reasoning Xerox should have spent millions spreading the rumor that toner was toxic and left the business in 1954...
While being stoned. A Trifecta!
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