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Huge Arctic Ozone Hole Leaves Scientists Gaping
The New American ^ | October 4, 2011 | Rebecca Terrell

Posted on 10/08/2011 9:59:44 AM PDT by Twotone

The science journal Nature is making headlines this week with news of the largest hole in the ozone layer over the North Pole in history, rivaling the size of its well known Antarctic cousin. Researchers credit this "unprecedented Arctic ozone loss" to "unusually long-lasting cold conditions" in the stratosphere at a time when their colleagues are in turmoil over melting Arctic sea ice a few miles below, supposedly caused by man-made global warming. Of course, humans are also responsible for the chilly stratosphere, they say. With sky-is-falling overtones the article's authors warn, "We cannot at present predict when such severe Arctic ozone depletion may be matched or exceeded."


TOPICS: Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: antarctic; arctic; catastrophism; climatechange; globalwarming

1 posted on 10/08/2011 9:59:55 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: Twotone

Gee, I wonder if this means that all those “gaping” scientists don’t understand the environment as much as they think they do??

It sounds as though they REALLY don’t understand the function of the ozone layer at all.


2 posted on 10/08/2011 10:03:58 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Rurudyne; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel; 75thOVI; agrace; ...

Thanks Twotone.
Researchers credit this "unprecedented Arctic ozone loss" to "unusually long-lasting cold conditions" in the stratosphere at a time when their colleagues are in turmoil over melting Arctic sea ice a few miles below, supposedly caused by man-made global warming.



3 posted on 10/08/2011 10:05:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DustyMoment

They understand well enough to ban all CFCs...


4 posted on 10/08/2011 10:05:53 AM PDT by null and void (Day 990 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: Twotone

Ok, fine, can I have my aerosols and freon back? Thanks


5 posted on 10/08/2011 10:07:12 AM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: Twotone

Obama’s fault!!!


6 posted on 10/08/2011 10:07:22 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Twotone

Here we go with the ozone hole thing again. I guess they might as well revive what worked last time. The polar bear and penguin thing is wearing kind of thin.


7 posted on 10/08/2011 10:08:20 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you always tell the truth, you won't have to remember what you said.)
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To: Twotone

Watch for a new web site, “Sunscreen for Polar Bears”


8 posted on 10/08/2011 10:10:52 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: Twotone

Well, it’s one of two things. Either human action wasn’t the primary culprit before the CFC ban, or it would have been worse without it and we ought to turn the entire government over to environmental experts. I think I know which of the two the Greenies will be calling for.


9 posted on 10/08/2011 10:11:09 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Twotone

Gaping o-holes’, Batman!


10 posted on 10/08/2011 10:16:39 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s not as big as the O-hole in Washington.


11 posted on 10/08/2011 10:19:48 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Twotone
The hole is caused by unicorns singing in Christian Churches...

Therefore government money must be given to Christian Churches to research alternate ways for unicorns to sing. Money must also be given to conservative scientists to breed better unicorns.

Your TAX dollars at work if we were as delusional as democrats...

12 posted on 10/08/2011 10:22:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (Where is the headline that says: Obama Murders Hundreds of Mexicans! - freeper xzins)
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To: Twotone
The science is settled. Ben and Jerry's ice cream causes climate change.

Time to get rid of it.

Maybe Ubama can give them a loan. That seems to be the kiss of death for any company.

13 posted on 10/08/2011 10:24:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I’m just thankful they did not find the hole over Crawford Texas. You know those ozone holes really follow the Bush family around.


14 posted on 10/08/2011 10:26:21 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: Twotone

Ozone is a free radical of oxygen. Regular oxygen is O2, Ozone is O3. To make ozone you subject regular oxygen to UV light. Let’s see, are there any stars near the Earth that emit light in the UV spectrum?

I deserve a governement grant, dammit!


15 posted on 10/08/2011 10:27:04 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: null and void
They understand well enough to ban all CFCs...

That takes no understanding at all. They could have just as well banned the consumption of beans.

16 posted on 10/08/2011 10:27:47 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Twotone
That's not turmoil they are in. It is the contents of their rectum.

These GW pukes give scientists a really bad name.

Putting results before the prospect or data, solely for agenda driven speculation and baseless conclusions.

17 posted on 10/08/2011 10:32:57 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: AndrewC

Give them time. First they have to ban all fossil fuels.


18 posted on 10/08/2011 10:33:07 AM PDT by null and void (Day 990 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: null and void
it's interesting you mention the government ban on CFC’s

Imagine you own a company that manufactures the single best coolant ever known.

This coolant changes he world for the better, including refrigerating medicines to save lives in Africa, etc. etc.

This coolant makes your company $$$BILLIONS of dollars

Now... imagine the patent is about to expire, and once it does EVERYONE can make it ...

What do you do? do you sit back and watch a few billion dollars income go away?

Or do you invest a few million to start an environmental movement to ban your own product?

And the only thing that is allowed to replace your product is an inferior coolant that is highly corrosive and is significantly more harmful to “the environment”

19 posted on 10/08/2011 10:35:49 AM PDT by Mr. K (Sarah you broke my heart~!! Endorse Cain and all is forgiven)
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To: Twotone
Sounds as though some as-of-yet-unidentified mechanism is thinning the ozone layer. If the government provides me with billions on grant money I'm sure I'll be able to identify the problem. One thing we can be certain of: this is a man-made phenomenon and will require massive regulatory action.
20 posted on 10/08/2011 10:36:51 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Twotone

OMG! We must act fast and do something before all of the Arctic penguins disappear.


21 posted on 10/08/2011 10:38:48 AM PDT by JPG (America is worth saving. All hands on deck!)
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To: Mr. K

Or, alternatively, somebody figures out your coolant might actually not be all that neat an idea ~ so at the moment it looks like maybe the Iceland supervolcano may be blowing off some fluorine we missed?


22 posted on 10/08/2011 10:40:20 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JPG

What about Santa!?!?


23 posted on 10/08/2011 10:50:54 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Twotone
"It's the Mother Ship, hovering over Alaska, and it's coming to take the Black children home."
-Louis Farrakhan, noted Afrophysicist
24 posted on 10/08/2011 10:55:53 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: 43north
Ozone is a free radical of oxygen. Regular oxygen is O2, Ozone is O3.

No, it's not. O3 is an allotrope: an alternative metastable form of oxygen. Typically because it's less energetically favorable than O2 under low-atmospheric conditions, it breaks down into O2, and there are some reactions which can cause it to break down into allotropic free radicals; but O3 itself is an ordinary molecule, not a free radical.

25 posted on 10/08/2011 10:59:49 AM PDT by FredZarguna (We'll keep Independence Hall. New Jersey can have all the rest.)
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To: null and void
Give them time. First they have to ban all fossil fuels.

Ah, I see. So their aim is to have their edicts chiseled in stone, literally.

26 posted on 10/08/2011 11:13:25 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Twotone

Ban Asthma Inhalers!!!!

They Suck!


27 posted on 10/08/2011 11:13:56 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Twotone

What if we someday discover that ozone depletion and global temperature fluctuations are natural processes not affected at all by human activity? And, yes, I want my freon back, too.


28 posted on 10/08/2011 2:31:10 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanx for the ping SunkenCiv !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

29 posted on 10/08/2011 3:52:10 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: steelyourfaith; SteamShovel; Tunehead54; golux; tubebender; Fractal Trader; Genesis defender; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

30 posted on 10/08/2011 3:53:44 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Twotone
largest hole in the ozone layer over the North Pole in history


What history? And I thought all those hair spray aerosol bans would fix everything.

/grumble, nothing is ever fixed by Government, only God.

31 posted on 10/08/2011 4:19:16 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: GOPJ

I get it, and it’s sad that I am forced to know how to get it.


32 posted on 10/08/2011 4:22:31 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: FredZarguna

Thanks for the chemistry refresher... its been a while.

Now, can I please get a government grant?


33 posted on 10/08/2011 6:24:11 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Twotone
Will take decades to undo all the bad recent political science that has destroyed the scientific community. The Ozone phenomenon is very easy to understand. During the tail end of low solar activity periods, the ozone holes open up large. The reason is that less UV light was being emitted by the sun and less oxygen was converted into ozone as a result.

Now we are right in the early stages of what looks to be an average to below average solar maximum. So for the next few months we will see the worse of the very weak previous 5-6 years. This winter will be horrific. The good news is the recent activity, if it remains active, has stopped the cooling, but it will be awhile before we see net warming. Probably next summer at the earliest.

This actually is a very good situation to study the affect of the solar cycle. Just went through 5-6 low activity years and the past few winters have been nasty. Lets see how soon the activity from the maximum will start reversing the bad winters. If the activity levels remain were they are now, this winter will be the worse, followed by next winter which should be moderately warmer.

And I do not care what some idiots with a few measurements are claiming the global temperature average is or was. They are just idiots with too few and too inaccurate measurements. All that matters with respect to global cooling is the severity and length of the winter.

34 posted on 10/08/2011 7:45:43 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: 43north

“Thanks for the chemistry refresher... its been a while.

Now, can I please get a government grant?”

Yes and in the true fashion of the gubmint, we need to give you twice the money because you were wrong the first time around, and you need those funds to study why your first study was flawed!! LOL


35 posted on 10/08/2011 10:02:08 PM PDT by rikkir (Political office should be a sacrifice, not a reward. Do your service and GO HOME!)
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To: muawiyah

huh?


36 posted on 10/09/2011 6:40:59 AM PDT by Mr. K (Sarah you broke my heart~!! Endorse Cain and all is forgiven)
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To: Always A Marine
""It's the Mother Ship, hovering over Alaska, and it's coming to take the Black children home." -Louis Farrakhan, noted Afrophysicist"

Yup. Earth is no longer a safe place for the children of the land of 19.

37 posted on 10/09/2011 7:12:18 AM PDT by blam ((Deliberate Cruelty Is The Worst Of Human Offenses - Kenko))
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To: Mr. K
Freon isn't the only source of flourine on the planet. We have several volcanos that spew it out regularly. One of them is in Antarctica. One of them is in the North Atlantic.

Ever breath in a big gulp of fluorine?

38 posted on 10/09/2011 7:23:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mr. K; muawiyah

By the same reasoning no one would continue to manufacture a drug after the patent expired.

They’d make up some horrible side effect and manufacture inferior drugs to replace it.


39 posted on 10/09/2011 7:36:50 AM PDT by null and void (Day 991 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: Twotone

Can I have my CFCs back now?


40 posted on 10/09/2011 7:38:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: AndrewC
Ah, I see. So their aim is to have their edicts chiseled in stone, literally.

Yes, using stone chisels.

41 posted on 10/09/2011 7:38:57 AM PDT by null and void (Day 991 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: null and void

That is a valid point, but you could not just do that for every product. It’s not easy, or everyone would have done it since patents began.

There is nothing else like Freon.

And it made them $billions. That’s the key- the size of the money pot. It takes an awful lot of money to get a worldwide ban on something.

For a drug company it would not be cost effective, and they plan for patents expiring.

There is/was no alternative plan for the Freon patent expiring. There is nothing else as good.


42 posted on 10/09/2011 7:58:40 AM PDT by Mr. K (Sarah you broke my heart~!! Endorse Cain and all is forgiven)
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To: Mr. K

So rather than using their existing already paid for equipment and extensive hard-won experience in manufacturing the stuff to get a smaller slice of the huge pie, it made sense from a business perspective to spend billions of dollars to destroy their own product, buy new equipment and or do extensive and expensive modifications of the existing equipment, relearn how to build a different inferior and NON-PATENTED product and compete on level ground with hundreds of other manufacturers of fluorochemicals?

I got news for you, bud. Everybody plans for when their primary patent expires. It’s not like the expiration is a big surprise.

Look how long Xerox milked xerography. First patent filed October 1937.

Buy your reasoning Xerox should have spent millions spreading the rumor that toner was toxic and left the business in 1954...


43 posted on 10/09/2011 8:23:13 AM PDT by null and void (Day 991 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: null and void

While being stoned. A Trifecta!


44 posted on 10/09/2011 12:25:43 PM PDT by AndrewC
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