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Scholarly world abuzz over Jewish scrolls find [ Afghanistan ]
Jerusalem Post ^ | Saturday, December 31, 2011 | Gil Shefler

Posted on 12/31/2011 10:12:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv

The Jewish scholarly world is abuzz over the discovery of ancient Jewish scrolls in a cave in Afghanistan's Samangan province, Channel 2 reported on Friday.

According to Arab Affairs correspondent Ehud Yeari, if validated the scrolls may be the most significant historical finding in the Jewish world since that of the Cairo Geniza in the 19th century.

"We know today about a couple of findings," Haggai Ben-Shammai, Professor Emeritus of Arabic Language and Literature at Hebrew University was quoted as saying. "In all, in my opinion, there are about 150 fragments. It may be the tip of the iceberg."

The scrolls, which were part of a geniza, a burial site for sacred Jewish texts, date from around 1,000 years ago and are in Arabic, Judeo-Arabic and ancient Persian.

One scroll, whose replica was shown to the cameras, is apparently a dirge written for an important person whose identity has not been determined.

"Where has he gone?" read the text. "His family members are now alone."

Besides the song of mourning other texts said to be found include an unknown history of the ancient kingdom of Judea, passages from the book of Isaiah and some of the works of Rabbi Saadia Gaon, a medieval sage.

In addition, rings with Jewish names like Shmuel Bar Yosef inscribed in Hebrew on them have surfaced.

The area in which the findings were discovered is on the so-called Silk Road, a trade route that connected Eastern Asia with the Middle East and Europe which Jewish merchants often traveled.

Yeari quoted sources as saying the scrolls were first moved to Peshawar province in Pakistan and from there had been sold to antiquities dealers around the world in Geneva, London, Dubai and Jerusalem.

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; godsgravesglyphs; israel; losttribes; silkroad

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Photo by: Assaf Peretz/courtesy of IAA

Scholarly world abuzz over Jewish scrolls find

1 posted on 12/31/2011 10:12:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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Thanks dervish!

Happy New Year 2012, everyone!

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2 posted on 12/31/2011 10:14:57 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Cool.


3 posted on 12/31/2011 10:24:47 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: SunkenCiv

Better rescue them before the Taliban get a chance to destroy them.


4 posted on 12/31/2011 10:32:10 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SunkenCiv

Israel should claim Afghanistan as Jewish land, carve out an Arab state in Tora Bora for the ‘Palestinians’ to move.


5 posted on 12/31/2011 10:32:22 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

The Pushtoo/Pathans of Afghanistan have a tradition that they are descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel, and they also claim to be guarding the original Ark of the Covenant.


6 posted on 12/31/2011 10:36:35 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SunkenCiv

This is some cool stuff.


7 posted on 12/31/2011 10:42:10 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: montag813

I was thinking the same thing!!! Israel needs to go on the offensive! Get the Truth out!!!!


8 posted on 12/31/2011 10:52:41 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature=Just Law.)
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To: BenLurkin; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; jjotto; Lancey Howard; montag813; savagesusie

These scroll finds are around 1000 years old (iow, medieval in date), but here are some interesting, mostly unrelated sidebars:
9 posted on 12/31/2011 11:04:01 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: jjotto

I thought the Ark was in Ethiopia. (?)


10 posted on 12/31/2011 11:36:25 AM PST by Tucker39
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To: Tucker39

hehe

The Ark has been claimed to be in Jordan, Ethiopia, South Africa/Zimbabwe, France, America, the Vatican, England and Ireland, and other places!

If it still exists, it is likely hidden (before the First Exile) somewhere on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, as Jewish tradition records.


11 posted on 12/31/2011 11:48:27 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: BenLurkin

Too bad that the early Jews had to bury these manuscripts in Afghanistan. One wonders how many more valuable papers have been destroyed by these uncultured muslims.


12 posted on 12/31/2011 12:41:48 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: jjotto

13 posted on 12/31/2011 12:42:39 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt! 2012)
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To: jjotto

Sure. Everyone makes the claim. But we all know that the Arc of the Covenant is safely hidden in a storage shack in a studio back-lot in Hollywood.

Didn’t you see the documentary about that with that whip snapping, hat wearing archeological dude as narrator?


14 posted on 12/31/2011 1:25:09 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv
One manuscript reads:

Eat more Oval-tine

15 posted on 12/31/2011 1:34:58 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Neo-communist equals Neo-fascist - VRW Conspirator)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow. Very, very cool.


16 posted on 12/31/2011 7:17:49 PM PST by agrace
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To: jjotto

Where does Jewish tradition record that? I’d love to check it out. The only thing “Jewish” that I know of which mentions it, and I could be woefully ignorant of other sources, is 2 Maccabees, which says that Jeremiah hid it in a cave under the “mountain where Moses went up.”


17 posted on 12/31/2011 7:22:31 PM PST by agrace
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To: agrace

http://www.ou.org/torah/tt/5765/bamidbar65/mikdash.htm

...Biblical commentator David Kimchi (the Radak) quoting a non-extant Midrash writes on II Divrei HaYamim 35:3, “Our rabbis of blessed memory said, ‘that (Josiah, the last righteous King of Judah) gave instructions to hide the ark so it would not be revealed (and desecrated) at the time of the (approaching) exile… At the time when Solomon built the First Temple, he (understood through the Holy Spirit that one day) it was going to be destroyed and therefore he constructed a place to hide the ark in winding, hidden tunnels deep below the surface of the earth. And the stone upon which the ark rested covered the opening of that tunnel. Josiah hid the ark there as it is said, “And he said to the Leviyim that taught all Israel… ‘Put the Holy Ark in the House that Solomon King of Israel did build…’” In Bayit Sheini, both the Aron and King Solomon’s fabulous K’ruvim were missing; Kodesh HaKodashim was completely empty...


18 posted on 12/31/2011 7:41:21 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Thank you much!


19 posted on 12/31/2011 9:04:15 PM PST by agrace
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To: jjotto

What of the Ethiopians that swear they have the Ark?y surmise is since some high ranking folks in Israel have claimed to have seen( in this day) or know where it is, I think we’ll all be surprised when it syurfices. The Midrash might kbnow, so might those Ethiopians unless it’s a false flash they have enough fire power to start a small war oer yon mountains. Josiah indeed was a good King so who know.I do bnelieve the ark orf theZCVovenant exist, it’s up to God( blessed be He) in His timinmg to reveal this again to mankind.


20 posted on 01/01/2012 7:57:55 AM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, "...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Karliner

The Ark was known to have been in the First Temple hundreds of years after it was supposed to have been brought to Ethiopia. Ethiopians claim that the one in the Temple was a fake! Does that seem plausible? Or is it more likely that ancient Ethiopians may have had a copy?

An ancient copy would be almost as cool, but no one has produced one of those either.


21 posted on 01/01/2012 8:08:53 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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The Taliban suggests burning them.

22 posted on 01/01/2012 3:07:18 PM PST by SJackson (Ron Paul people are closer and closer to our talking points with each election, L Hourican Code Pink)
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To: Pharmboy

Most likely it rests somewhere in Warehouse 13.


23 posted on 01/01/2012 4:19:38 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks, links to one of my favorite topics, the lost 10 tribes of Israel. Will have to take time and check them all out.


24 posted on 01/01/2012 5:56:12 PM PST by Bellflower
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To: Bellflower

My pleasure, I hope you enjoy 'em.
Quest For The Lost Tribes Quest For The Lost Tribes
Simcha Jacobovici, director

VHS

25 posted on 01/01/2012 6:30:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Bellflower

also may be worth checking out.

http://www.amazon.com/Across-Sabbath-River-Search-Israel/dp/0618029982


26 posted on 01/01/2012 6:30:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: agrace

Thanks agrace, and Happy New Year.


27 posted on 01/01/2012 6:31:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: jjotto; Tucker39; Karliner; agrace

Thanks jjotto for the interesting stuff about the Ark of the Covenant. My wild guess is (and has been) that the item in the Ethiopian shrine is just a pharaonic-era coffin from Egypt that had been set up as a tourist attraction at Elephantine.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2816298/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/arkofthecovenant/index


28 posted on 01/01/2012 6:40:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: jjotto
More likely Radhanites.
29 posted on 01/01/2012 10:25:21 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: SunkenCiv

The expert in ancient Persian languages said the scrolls included an ancient copy of the book of Jeremiah; hitherto unknown scholarly works by the medieval sage Rabbi Sa’adia Gaon; personal poems of loss and mourning and even bookkeeping records that could teach us about everyday life in the community.

“The person who wrote it, a Jewish merchant, keeps track of who owed him how much,” said Shaked.

He added that the texts show the community may have been Karaite, a sect of Judaism which strictly adheres to the bible rather than the Talmud and other later Jewish texts, and name several early Karaite leaders.

In Afghanistan and northern Pakistan they all say they are the 10 Lost Tribes of Israel and I never knew what they were talking about,” said Eisenman, who visited the country in the ’60s. “If this was part of a Jewish permanent settlement then to my mind it reinforces the mythology that the 10 Lost Tribes were in that part of the world.”

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=251913&R=R5


30 posted on 01/02/2012 2:17:18 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76; rmlew

Thanks!
31 posted on 01/02/2012 4:23:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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(file from David Derrick files)

Archaeological finds reveal prehistoric civilization along Silk Road

32 posted on 04/05/2014 9:04:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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