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Neanderthal: New Images of an Ancient Enemy
http://www.themandus.org ^ | Vendramini

Posted on 03/18/2012 5:24:33 PM PDT by varmintman

Danny Venderamini's main site.

Vendramini thesis on Youtube.

All Neanderthal images here courtesy of www.themandus.org

This thing starts off with Danny Vendramini figuring out something which should have been figured out 100 years ago i.e.. that (other than for the larger brain area) a Neanderthal skull is a near perfect match for ape profiles and a very bad match for one of ours:

That is consistent with what we know about Neanderthal DNA i.e. that it's no closer to ours than to an ape's. The funny thing is that Vendramini did not tell his artist to produce the world's scariest monster, the basic order was to start with Neanderthal skulls and skeletal bones and try to flesh them out using the assumption that what you had was a bipedal, carniverous ape with an 8" fur coat (like every other ice-age animal) and the big eyes which Neanderthal eye sockets suggest for nocturnal hunting, and possibly a slightly mean look on the thing's face. The fact that what turns up looks as bad as it does to us is probably, as Vendramini suggests, due to past bad experiences with it, sort of like the instinctive human reaction to spiders and snakes:

neanderprofile, hairy ape with fur

The 8" fur coat also explains why no Neanderthal needles have ever been found...

Without the fur coat:

neanderthal 4

Neanderthal 3

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neanderthal1

Given the recent human population bottleneck, there is no way to believe that any modern human is related to this creature in any way other than for the possible re-use of low-level genetic components by an original designer or designers (the bottleneck says that if any human had any of this guy's genes we all would, not just Caucasians and East Asians), and likewise there is zero way to believe that any modern humans ever interbred with something like that. The image of the Neanderthal in popular culture and science turns out to be rubbish.

This thing was wiped out in some sort of a stone age world war and whoever wiped it out did the world a giant favor. Other than that, Danny Vendramini subscribes to a variant of the Gould/Eldredge flavor of evolutionism, nonetheless the scholarship involved in reconstructing what Neanderthals actually amounted to does not suffer from that.


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To: SunkenCiv
The ape who posed for the one photo which started the whole business:

of course is a traitor to the evolutionite cause and clearly needs to be found and re-educated...

81 posted on 03/19/2012 5:13:53 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: JerseyanExile

That was settled by the DNA evidence: the data show that non-African modern humans share 1-4% of their DNA with Neanderthals, so there was indeed some hanky-panky going on.


82 posted on 03/19/2012 5:41:21 AM PDT by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: Pharmboy
God gave us the tools to understand the world around us and the most basic of those is logic. There is terribly little genetic variation in the human race compared to all but one or two other mammals and that is due to some fairly recent genetic bottleneck which reduced the human population to a very small number of individuals, possibly less than fifty or a hundred. If any human group had mixed with Neanderthals AFTER that bottleneck, the variation between that group and all others (humans) would be gigantic.

The only conclusion which is tenable is that there has never been any mixing of humans and Neanderthals, and that any similar genes anybody finds are just artifacts of same or similar low-level components being used by an original designer or designers.

83 posted on 03/19/2012 5:47:54 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: SunkenCiv
If archeologists use a human pathologists to make a clay model of a specimen it will look human. Why not study other apes and get several models of what Neanderthal looks like and not stuck on one narrow way of thinking.
84 posted on 03/19/2012 5:51:29 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: varmintman

Facts are stubborn things. Sorry.


85 posted on 03/19/2012 6:02:26 AM PDT by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: varmintman

No Interbreeding

Once again...

There is terribly little genetic variation in the human race compared to all but one or two other mammals and that is due to some fairly recent genetic bottleneck which reduced the human population to a very small number of individuals, possibly less than fifty or a hundred.

If there ever had been any human/Neanderthal crossbreeding, it would have happened either before or after the bottleneck.

If it happened before the bottleneck, you'd not read these claims of whites and East Asians having Neanderthal genes but Africans not having it; we'd all have them.

If any human group had mixed with Neanderthals AFTER that bottleneck, the variation between that group and all others (humans) would be gigantic, and not minuscule as it actually is.

In other words, the claim of human/Neanderthal crossbreeding cannot pass a test for basic, simple logic. That's just one example of people with PHD degrees who can't deal with logic, there are others.

The basic reality is that whatever may have turned up is just some low-level genetic component which gets switched on and off here and there in the human genome and which Neanderthals may have had as well from original design, it's not anything we ever got FROM Neanderthals.

86 posted on 03/19/2012 7:02:29 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Farmer Dean; NavyCanDo; EEGator; UCANSEE2; Lazamataz; ChiefJayStrongbow; Jonty30; Inyo-Mono; ...
A few more images, again all courtesy of www.themandus.org as per request, some images without the 8" ice-age fur coat for illustration purposes.

Vendramini's neanderthal site

Again the thing Vendramini first noticed. You'd figure this was so obvious that somebody had to have seen it early on i.e. in the 1800s when people first started studying Neanderthals but, apparently, nobody did:

The sort of outlandish thing you get trying to draw a more humanistic Neanderthal WITH the eyes and nose the size which the bones say they'd have to be:

Neanderthal and human body proportions, comparison:

Hominid (Neanderthal) with a spear:

With and without the ice-age fur coat:

Funny thing is, in the case of earlier hominids for which there is no libtard myth for scientists to think they need to protect, the reconstructions they come up with don't look that much different from what Vendramini came up with, at least as far as general features:

That would be "Tumai" a sweet-natured and friendly little African hominid, supposedly from 6M years or so back, minus the huge nocturnal eyes and huge muscularity of the Neanderthal. Notice also that apes and hominids (bipedal apes) do not have the cute S curve in their lower backs which lets humans stand bolt upright comfortably, and thus all appear to be lurching forwards somewhat when on two feet.

As Vendramini notes, seeing something like that walking around with a spear in its hand must have impressed early humans about the way a monkey with a gun would impress us...

The original version (Lieber/Stoller)

It doesn't really get much better than this one. Basically, the Neanderthal, one of the classic libtard/evolutionite icons and poster children, turns out to be an ice-age ape with a spear in his hand. Isn't that just fabulous?

87 posted on 03/27/2012 9:05:58 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

They all look like Obama’s son, if he had one.


88 posted on 03/27/2012 9:11:47 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

I don’t think there were ever enough Neanderthals walking around in one place for dems to see them as a new voting block, otherwise you could count on it...


89 posted on 03/27/2012 9:15:59 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

There’s a ‘Squatch in them woods...


90 posted on 03/27/2012 9:16:58 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1162 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: varmintman
Look closely at that superimposition of the skull onto the gorilla. The neck of the person who originally inhabited the skull would be placed at about a 45o angle from the gorilla neck, and would be extending from the gorilla's throat in that superimposition. If that person's jawbone were present, it would not fit within the gorilla outline. The ear placement is also wrong; no ear canal is visible where the artist placed the ear, and the actual ear canal is near that V shaped structure, right above where the jaw would attach if it were present.

I'm also not impressed with the full-body reconstruction. With skeletal data, the musculature can be reconstructed reasonably accurately. There is an intact skeleton pictured at Wikipedia, which does not look compatible with the artist's reconstruction of the body shown in your post. The one detail that possibly resists reconstruction from the fossil data would be the skin. Unless soft tissues have been preserved (I don't know of any, but perhaps they have been), it's hard to guess what color the skin was, or how hairy they were. It's almost certain that they did not have shiny dark grey skin like that artist gave them in the pictures you posted--I've never seen skin like that on any living creature.

A reconstruction of what Neanderthals might have looked like would be a little more believable if the person doing the reconstruction demonstrated some knowledge of anatomy. Plenty of people familiar with anatomy have reconstructed Neanderthals, and several examples can be seen on Google.

91 posted on 03/28/2012 3:59:57 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: varmintman
I am not enamored by much of bogus science.

I know that anthropomorphic global warming is leftist propaganda at best...

the leftist science types also want you to believe that the Neanderthals were not our immediate ancestors.

that is because they want to convince you that we are all Out of Africa in geologically recent times.

I do not know where you got those pictures but they are funny at best....the last picture is a cartoon character as he only has 4 toes on each foot.

using forensic reconstruction here are some pix of what Neanderthals look like


92 posted on 03/28/2012 4:05:53 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

The third one is Steve Wozniak, right?


93 posted on 03/28/2012 4:08:35 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

nailed it!


94 posted on 03/28/2012 4:09:13 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: varmintman

-—This thing was wiped out in some sort of a stone age world war-—

The fact that there seem to be Big Foot sightings makes the statement implausible.


95 posted on 03/28/2012 4:50:57 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Vaquero
The 8" fur coat explains the fact that in all the Neanderthal tools which have been found, no needle has ever been found. A Neanderthal which looked like one of your images would last about two minutes in an ice age winter day.

As to toes, this is what a Neanderthal footprint looks like:

That (prehensile feet) is the sort of thing which just drives shoe salesmen crazy...

96 posted on 03/28/2012 5:02:14 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Vaquero

97 posted on 03/28/2012 5:06:36 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: bert
-—This thing was wiped out in some sort of a stone age world war-—

The fact that there seem to be Big Foot sightings makes the statement implausible.

There ARE claims of remnant hominids, including one which was probably based originally on the Neanderthal and that would be the "basajaun" of the Spanish Basque, and the Neanderthal made his last European stand in southern Spain.

There is a very remote possibility I could be wrong on this one, but I don't see how such a thing could have persisted into recent times; you'd think there would be remains of people and farm animals lying around all over the place or so many people and animals going missing that at some point something would happen.

98 posted on 03/28/2012 5:08:27 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

I think your being fooled.


99 posted on 03/28/2012 5:38:41 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: varmintman
"God said let us make man in our own image and in our own likeness", "and each animal after it's own kind"!

The evolutionary hypothesis not withstanding!
100 posted on 03/28/2012 5:43:48 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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