Archaeologist: Reign of Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose II Suggests Crisis

HeritageDaily ^ | March 19, 2012 | Paleontological Research Corporation

[SunkenCiv]

Harvard University educated archaeologist and president of the Paleontological Research Corporation, Dr. Joel Klenck, states an array of archaeological discoveries evidence a crisis during the reign of the Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose II... in the Eighteenth Dynasty.

An inscription by the succeeding Pharaoh Hatshepsut... in her Underground Temple at Speos Artemidos states that Egypt was "ruined" and "had gone to pieces" before the beginning of her reign. Hatshepsut's inscription also states that a population of "vagabonds" emerged from former Asiatic populations that once controlled northern Egypt and caused this ruination. Hatshepsut notes these vagabonds were responsible for "overthrowing that which had been made".

Klenck comments, "The reign of Thutmose II ended between 79 and 86 years after Seqenenre Tao II (ca. 1,560-1,555 B.C.) began to reconquer northern Egypt from foreign Hyksos populations, who controlled Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1,650-1,550 B.C.). Egyptian texts are clear that the son of Tao II, Ahmose I, conquered the Hyksos and captured their capital at Avaris around 1,550 B.C. Yet, this inscription by Hatshepsut notes another population remained in Egypt from 'the midst' of the 'Asiatics' and ruined Egypt 'down to my majesty' or before the beginning of her reign."

...Thutmose II reigned for eighteen years, the ruler has fewer writings, monuments or smaller artifacts attributed to his rule compared to most pharaohs of the Eighteenth Dynasty. Furthermore, building projects belonging to Thutmose II are minimal and comprise an unfinished limestone gateway at Karnak and fragments of construction at Semna, Kumma and Elephantine.

The Egyptian official, Ahmose Pen-Nekhbet, mentioned that Thutmose II conducted a campaign in the Sinai against the "shasu" or wanderers. This campaign may have proved problematic.

[SunkenCiv]

It has been suggested that these are signs of Smallpox.

Dorsal view of the mummy of Sitre-In, a wet nurse for Pharaoh Hatshepsut : Paleontological Research Corporation

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Significant Events	Yrs from death of Thutmose I	Regnal Year of Thutmose II	Regnal Year of Hatshepsut	Regnal Year of Thutmose III
Thutmose II assumes the throne	1	1
	2	2
Mortuary temple inscriptions	3	3
	4	4
Thutmose II dies, Thutmose II assumes the throne	5	5		1
Dedication inscription at Semma	6			2
Hatshepsut assumes full titulary Senenmut's tomb started	7		7	3
Donation stele of Senenmut	8		8	4
Punt expedition, Sinai Stela, Useramen appointed vizier, counting from the accession of Thutmose III ceases	9		9	5
	10		10
	11		11
	12		12
Menkheperre & Hatshepsut depicted together	13		13	13
	14		14
Hatshepsut's obelisks begun	15		15	15
First actual joint dating	16		16	16
(after William Petty)

[SunkenCiv]

Deadly medication?
Bonn scientists shed light on the dark secret of Queen Hatshepsut’s flacon
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-08/uob-dm081911.php
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2766066/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Speos Artemidos (Grotto of Artemis)
Jimmy Dunn (?)

About 2 miles southwest of Beni Hassan is the Cave of Artemis, which was hewn out of rock. It is located in the Batn el-Baqara wadi and is dedicated to the lion-goddess Pakhet (she who scratches), otherwise known as Artemis. There are scenes of offerings to various gods, but the most interesting thing here is an inscription over the entrance which states that Hatshepsut (18th Dynasty) has rid Egypt of the Hyksos. Actually, she did not.

[Temple at Speos Artemidos: Wiki Commons]

[smokingfrog]

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[ClearCase_guy]

An inscription by the succeeding Pharaoh Hatshepsut... in her Underground Temple at Speos Artemidos states that Egypt was "ruined" and "had gone to pieces" before the beginning of her reign.

The whole "Bush's Fault" thing has been around for a long, long time.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Kent1957]

The Egyptian official, Ahmose Pen-Nekhbet, mentioned that Thutmose II conducted a campaign in the Sinai against the “shasu” or wanderers.

Jews?

[GeronL]

Interesting.

So... ARE those signs of Smallpox??

Names are hard to pronounce.... although Thutmose I can do. lol. The one with the most thuts.

[SunkenCiv]

:’D

[bleach]

“states that Egypt was “ruined” and “had gone to pieces” before the beginning of her reign.”

Blaming the previous administration like Obama.

[SunkenCiv]

Hyksos, they were numerous and tough to get rid of. Eventually (more than 1500 years) they came back to conquer Egypt again -- they're a.k.a. Arabs.

Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History
From the End of the Middle Kingdom in Egypt to the Advent Of Alexander the Great
Immanuel Velikovsky (1945)

37. Two kingdoms rose on the ruins of the Hyksos Empire: the kingdom of Israel under David, and the New Kingdom of Egypt under the Eighteenth Dynasty. The beginnings of these two dynasties are not separated by six centuries; they started simultaneously.
38. The Egyptian Queen Tahpenes, the sister-in-law of Hadad the Edomite, was a wife of Ahmose.
39. Thutmose I attacked Gezer of the Philistines and gave it to Solomon, his son-in-law.
40. Queen Sheba is identical with Queen Hatshepsu[t].
41. The information of Josephus that the queen-guest ruled Egypt and Abyssinia, is correct.
42. The theories which place Punt and God's Land in either South Arabia or Africa are equally wrong. Hatshepsu[t]'s expedition, pictured in the temple of Deir el Bahari near Thebes, went to Palestine-Phoenicia.
43. By the time of the Old Kingdom, Palestine was already known as God's Land or Holy Land. The tribe of Menashe lived in Palestine already at the time of the Old Kingdom in Egypt.
44. A preliminary expedition dispatched by Hatshepsu[t] to prepare the way for the main expedition, was met by Peruha, the biblical Paruah, governor of Ezion-Geber.
45. The correction of the verses I Kings 4, 16-17 which place Aloth in the domain of the son of Paruah, is well founded.
46. Queen Hatshepsu[t] participated personally in the main expedition to Ezion-Geber, Jerusalem, and Phoenicia. Her intention was to see what she had known "by hearsay" only.
47. The return voyage was made by sea from the Palestinian shore to Thebes on the Nile, and a second fleet was used. In the days of Hatshepsu[t] there was no canal connecting the Nile with the Red Sea.
48. Jewish officers in the service of Solomon are portrayed on the walls of Deir El Bahari.
49. Exotic animals and plants, including the algum-trees "never seen before", which Queen Hatshepsu[t] received as gifts in God's Land, had been brought by the navy of Hiram and Solomon from Ophir. They are seen in the pictures of the expedition.
50. Gifts were also presented to Hatshepsu[t] by messengers of Hiram.
51. Solomon was not an obscure prince, as he is often represented. The riches of his kingdom astounded the Egyptians under their most magnificent monarch.
52. Silver-covered floors in the Jerusalem of Solomon were an actual feature; such floors were also built in the palaces of the viziers of Hatshepsu[t].
53. The architecture and ordinances of the Temple of Solomon were copied in the Temple of Amon at Deir El Bahari. The plan of this structure and its terraces can help in the reconstruction of the plan of the Temple of Solomon.
54. The Songs of Mounting, which are included among the Psalms, were sung by priests while ascending the terraces.
55. The office of High Priest was introduced into the Egyptian service in imitation of a similar post in the service in Jerusalem. The word pontifex is derived ultimately from the word Punt. The last word means Phoenicia.
56. The Abyssinian tradition preserved the name of the Queen of the South as Makeda, which is derived from the personal name of Hatshepsu[t] (Make-Ra).
57. The Arabic claim that Queen Sheba was their Queen Bilkis, is unfounded.
58. The traditional origin of some Hebrew legends concerning Queen Sheba can be traced in the life and appearance of Hatshepsu[t].

[SunkenCiv]

:’D

[GeronL]

Please tell me there won't be a Thutmose IV after those bombs!

[GeronL]

So it was all caused by those illegal, undocumented vagabonds? or maybe Thutmose II was really a Kenyan??

[SunkenCiv]

There actually was — he erected the Dream Stele which stands between the arms of the Great Sphinx.

And by the way, noogies for that joke. ;’)

[D Rider]

Link to article

[PzLdr]

This should be taken with a VERY large grain of salt. Hatshepsut was initially the regent for her stepson, Thutmose III. She usurped his reign and had herself made Pharoah. And a conservative country like Egypt was not accustomed to the idea of a female Pharoah. So this could be her PR/spin/propaganda to justify her seizure of the throne. Dire necessity, the boy’s only 10 [or was it 6], etc.

When she started grooming her daughter for the succession [and Thutmose III was an adult], it gets interesting. Her Vizier [and probable lover], Sennenmut disappears. she dies. Her daughter disappears. And Thutmose III defaces Hatshepsut’s name from any wall, statue, obelisk, etc. he can find it on.

He then goes on to become the greatest military Pharoah in history, which is hard to explain if Egypt was in ruins when his father died, and his stepmother did almost nothing to rebuild the Army, or use it, for some twenty-five years.

[fidelis]

The Hyksos are now widely recognized by historians, not as Arabs, but as “The Sea People”, possible emigres from Greece who eventually became the Phoenicians and, later, the Philistines that settled Canaan and gave the Israelites so much trouble. They also found Carthage.

[RitchieAprile]

stolen thunder, very elegant.

[RitchieAprile]

sounds like Henry VIII and his problem with the Cardinal Reginald Pole and his family, the Cardinal being not only a Prince of the Church but scion of the Plantagenets.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks fidelis. I’ve been reading on this for most of my life, and I’ve never, ever seen the Sea Peoples equated with the Hyksos, much less widely so. The Hyksos have never been equated with the Greeks, either. There have been many attempts to equate the Hyksos with the Jews. The Sea Peoples have been equated with various unattested groups from Sardinia and elsewhere; some have tried to equate the Sea Peoples with Mycenaean Greeks.

[SunkenCiv]

That’s merely the conventional pseudochronology, which was devised to undermine the veracity of the Bible. And, it continues to do so.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks PzLdr. The daughter’s tomb is located out in the boonies, high up in a cliff face in the western desert, was plundered at some point, but has AFAIK never received any conservation or even much study. It’s amazing it was even found. Thutmose III had to remove her traces in order to relegitimize his own reign, which had been removed from history. Biblically, he’s the pharaoh known as Shishak.

[D Rider]

How does it undermine the veracity of the Bible?

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

“Names are hard to pronounce.... although Thutmose I can do. lol.”

Pronounced “Thoot Moose,” right? 8^)

[GreenHornet]

Pronounced “Thoot Moose,”

A Thoot Moose bit my sister.

[fidelis]

SunkenCiv- You are correct. I was getting my groups mixed up. :)

[SunkenCiv]

Because it vanishes any synchronisms (other than one superficial one) between the historical events in the O.T. and Egyptian history, of course. And that’s what it was (and is) intended to do.

[SunkenCiv]

This attempts to make much of a novel synchronism between the Hyksos and the Mycenaean Greeks:

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History Channel: Exodus Decoded host Simcha Jacobovici, narrator James Cameron Baggage Train from Egypt (review)

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[fidelis]

Thanks SunkenCiv. :)

[gleeaikin]

I am wondering if the Sea People could have been refugees from Crete after their sea power was destroyed by a tsunami from Santorini, and Mycenaean Greeks started to invade. While apparently a relatively peaceful trading people, it is possible that the surviving Crete population became much more aggressive after the times of trouble from the big eruption. The level of civilization/success of the subsequent Sea People settlements suggests a civilized history somewhere. I suspect the Hyksos were primarily Libyans, with other wandering groups intermingled.

[SunkenCiv]

My pleasure.

[SunkenCiv]

The conventional pseudochronology is the problem; the Sea People were the Greeks themselves; the Pereset were the Persians. Additionally, there was no tsunami from Santorini, just as there was no supereruption of Thera in historical times.