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Archaeologist: Reign of Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose II Suggests Crisis
HeritageDaily ^ | March 19, 2012 | Paleontological Research Corporation

Posted on 04/01/2012 8:50:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Harvard University educated archaeologist and president of the Paleontological Research Corporation, Dr. Joel Klenck, states an array of archaeological discoveries evidence a crisis during the reign of the Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose II... in the Eighteenth Dynasty.

An inscription by the succeeding Pharaoh Hatshepsut... in her Underground Temple at Speos Artemidos states that Egypt was "ruined" and "had gone to pieces" before the beginning of her reign. Hatshepsut's inscription also states that a population of "vagabonds" emerged from former Asiatic populations that once controlled northern Egypt and caused this ruination. Hatshepsut notes these vagabonds were responsible for "overthrowing that which had been made".

Klenck comments, "The reign of Thutmose II ended between 79 and 86 years after Seqenenre Tao II (ca. 1,560-1,555 B.C.) began to reconquer northern Egypt from foreign Hyksos populations, who controlled Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1,650-1,550 B.C.). Egyptian texts are clear that the son of Tao II, Ahmose I, conquered the Hyksos and captured their capital at Avaris around 1,550 B.C. Yet, this inscription by Hatshepsut notes another population remained in Egypt from 'the midst' of the 'Asiatics' and ruined Egypt 'down to my majesty' or before the beginning of her reign."

...Thutmose II reigned for eighteen years, the ruler has fewer writings, monuments or smaller artifacts attributed to his rule compared to most pharaohs of the Eighteenth Dynasty. Furthermore, building projects belonging to Thutmose II are minimal and comprise an unfinished limestone gateway at Karnak and fragments of construction at Semna, Kumma and Elephantine.

The Egyptian official, Ahmose Pen-Nekhbet, mentioned that Thutmose II conducted a campaign in the Sinai against the "shasu" or wanderers. This campaign may have proved problematic.

(Excerpt) Read more at heritagedaily.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 18thdynasty; catastrophism; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; hatshepsut; history; thutmoseii

It has been suggested that these are signs of Smallpox.
Dorsal view of the mummy of Sitre-In, a wet nurse for Pharaoh Hatshepsut : Paleontological Research Corporation

Archaeologist: Reign of Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose II Suggests Crisis

1 posted on 04/01/2012 8:50:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Significant Events Yrs from death
of Thutmose I
Regnal Year of
Thutmose II
Regnal Year of
Hatshepsut
Regnal Year of
Thutmose III

Thutmose II assumes the throne 1 1

2 2

Mortuary temple inscriptions 3 3

4 4

Thutmose II dies, Thutmose II assumes the throne 5 5 1

Dedication inscription at Semma 6 2

Hatshepsut assumes full titulary
Senenmut's tomb started
7 7 3

Donation stele of Senenmut 8 8 4

Punt expedition, Sinai Stela, Useramen appointed vizier,
counting from the accession of Thutmose III ceases
9 9 5

10 10

11 11

12 12

Menkheperre & Hatshepsut depicted together 13 13 13

14 14

Hatshepsut's obelisks begun 15 15 15

First actual joint dating 16 16 16

(after William Petty)



2 posted on 04/01/2012 8:55:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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Deadly medication?
Bonn scientists shed light on the dark secret of Queen Hatshepsut’s flacon
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-08/uob-dm081911.php
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2766066/posts


3 posted on 04/01/2012 8:56:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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Speos Artemidos (Grotto of Artemis)
Jimmy Dunn (?)
About 2 miles southwest of Beni Hassan is the Cave of Artemis, which was hewn out of rock. It is located in the Batn el-Baqara wadi and is dedicated to the lion-goddess Pakhet (she who scratches), otherwise known as Artemis. There are scenes of offerings to various gods, but the most interesting thing here is an inscription over the entrance which states that Hatshepsut (18th Dynasty) has rid Egypt of the Hyksos. Actually, she did not.

[Temple at Speos Artemidos: Wiki Commons]

Archaeologist: Reign of Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose II Suggests Crisis

4 posted on 04/01/2012 8:56:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv

Borders

Language

Culture

Doc Savage is right again. ;-)


5 posted on 04/01/2012 8:57:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: SunkenCiv
An inscription by the succeeding Pharaoh Hatshepsut... in her Underground Temple at Speos Artemidos states that Egypt was "ruined" and "had gone to pieces" before the beginning of her reign.

The whole "Bush's Fault" thing has been around for a long, long time.

6 posted on 04/01/2012 8:57:18 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


7 posted on 04/01/2012 8:57:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Egyptian official, Ahmose Pen-Nekhbet, mentioned that Thutmose II conducted a campaign in the Sinai against the “shasu” or wanderers.

Jews?


8 posted on 04/01/2012 8:59:01 PM PDT by Kent1957
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting.

So... ARE those signs of Smallpox??

Names are hard to pronounce.... although Thutmose I can do. lol. The one with the most thuts.


9 posted on 04/01/2012 9:01:40 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: smokingfrog; ClearCase_guy

:’D


10 posted on 04/01/2012 9:01:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv
“states that Egypt was “ruined” and “had gone to pieces” before the beginning of her reign.”

Blaming the previous administration like Obama.

11 posted on 04/01/2012 9:11:53 PM PDT by bleach (If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong.)
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To: Kent1957

Hyksos, they were numerous and tough to get rid of. Eventually (more than 1500 years) they came back to conquer Egypt again -- they're a.k.a. Arabs.
Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History
From the End of the Middle Kingdom in Egypt to the Advent Of Alexander the Great

Immanuel Velikovsky (1945)
  1. Two kingdoms rose on the ruins of the Hyksos Empire: the kingdom of Israel under David, and the New Kingdom of Egypt under the Eighteenth Dynasty. The beginnings of these two dynasties are not separated by six centuries; they started simultaneously.
  2. The Egyptian Queen Tahpenes, the sister-in-law of Hadad the Edomite, was a wife of Ahmose.
  3. Thutmose I attacked Gezer of the Philistines and gave it to Solomon, his son-in-law.
  4. Queen Sheba is identical with Queen Hatshepsu[t].
  5. The information of Josephus that the queen-guest ruled Egypt and Abyssinia, is correct.
  6. The theories which place Punt and God's Land in either South Arabia or Africa are equally wrong. Hatshepsu[t]'s expedition, pictured in the temple of Deir el Bahari near Thebes, went to Palestine-Phoenicia.
  7. By the time of the Old Kingdom, Palestine was already known as God's Land or Holy Land. The tribe of Menashe lived in Palestine already at the time of the Old Kingdom in Egypt.
  8. A preliminary expedition dispatched by Hatshepsu[t] to prepare the way for the main expedition, was met by Peruha, the biblical Paruah, governor of Ezion-Geber.
  9. The correction of the verses I Kings 4, 16-17 which place Aloth in the domain of the son of Paruah, is well founded.
  10. Queen Hatshepsu[t] participated personally in the main expedition to Ezion-Geber, Jerusalem, and Phoenicia. Her intention was to see what she had known "by hearsay" only.
  11. The return voyage was made by sea from the Palestinian shore to Thebes on the Nile, and a second fleet was used. In the days of Hatshepsu[t] there was no canal connecting the Nile with the Red Sea.
  12. Jewish officers in the service of Solomon are portrayed on the walls of Deir El Bahari.
  13. Exotic animals and plants, including the algum-trees "never seen before", which Queen Hatshepsu[t] received as gifts in God's Land, had been brought by the navy of Hiram and Solomon from Ophir. They are seen in the pictures of the expedition.
  14. Gifts were also presented to Hatshepsu[t] by messengers of Hiram.
  15. Solomon was not an obscure prince, as he is often represented. The riches of his kingdom astounded the Egyptians under their most magnificent monarch.
  16. Silver-covered floors in the Jerusalem of Solomon were an actual feature; such floors were also built in the palaces of the viziers of Hatshepsu[t].
  17. The architecture and ordinances of the Temple of Solomon were copied in the Temple of Amon at Deir El Bahari. The plan of this structure and its terraces can help in the reconstruction of the plan of the Temple of Solomon.
  18. The Songs of Mounting, which are included among the Psalms, were sung by priests while ascending the terraces.
  19. The office of High Priest was introduced into the Egyptian service in imitation of a similar post in the service in Jerusalem. The word pontifex is derived ultimately from the word Punt. The last word means Phoenicia.
  20. The Abyssinian tradition preserved the name of the Queen of the South as Makeda, which is derived from the personal name of Hatshepsu[t] (Make-Ra).
  21. The Arabic claim that Queen Sheba was their Queen Bilkis, is unfounded.
  22. The traditional origin of some Hebrew legends concerning Queen Sheba can be traced in the life and appearance of Hatshepsu[t].

12 posted on 04/01/2012 9:12:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: GeronL; bleach

:’D


13 posted on 04/01/2012 9:18:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv
Please tell me there won't be a Thutmose IV after those bombs!
14 posted on 04/01/2012 9:23:45 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SunkenCiv

So it was all caused by those illegal, undocumented vagabonds? or maybe Thutmose II was really a Kenyan??


15 posted on 04/01/2012 9:26:00 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

There actually was — he erected the Dream Stele which stands between the arms of the Great Sphinx.

And by the way, noogies for that joke. ;’)


16 posted on 04/01/2012 9:44:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Link to article
17 posted on 04/01/2012 9:50:45 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: SunkenCiv

This should be taken with a VERY large grain of salt. Hatshepsut was initially the regent for her stepson, Thutmose III. She usurped his reign and had herself made Pharoah. And a conservative country like Egypt was not accustomed to the idea of a female Pharoah. So this could be her PR/spin/propaganda to justify her seizure of the throne. Dire necessity, the boy’s only 10 [or was it 6], etc.

When she started grooming her daughter for the succession [and Thutmose III was an adult], it gets interesting. Her Vizier [and probable lover], Sennenmut disappears. she dies. Her daughter disappears. And Thutmose III defaces Hatshepsut’s name from any wall, statue, obelisk, etc. he can find it on.

He then goes on to become the greatest military Pharoah in history, which is hard to explain if Egypt was in ruins when his father died, and his stepmother did almost nothing to rebuild the Army, or use it, for some twenty-five years.


18 posted on 04/01/2012 9:52:20 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Hyksos are now widely recognized by historians, not as Arabs, but as “The Sea People”, possible emigres from Greece who eventually became the Phoenicians and, later, the Philistines that settled Canaan and gave the Israelites so much trouble. They also found Carthage.


19 posted on 04/01/2012 9:55:00 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: ClearCase_guy

stolen thunder, very elegant.


20 posted on 04/01/2012 9:57:25 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: PzLdr

sounds like Henry VIII and his problem with the Cardinal Reginald Pole and his family, the Cardinal being not only a Prince of the Church but scion of the Plantagenets.


21 posted on 04/01/2012 10:01:19 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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Thanks fidelis. I’ve been reading on this for most of my life, and I’ve never, ever seen the Sea Peoples equated with the Hyksos, much less widely so. The Hyksos have never been equated with the Greeks, either. There have been many attempts to equate the Hyksos with the Jews. The Sea Peoples have been equated with various unattested groups from Sardinia and elsewhere; some have tried to equate the Sea Peoples with Mycenaean Greeks.


22 posted on 04/01/2012 10:02:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: D Rider

That’s merely the conventional pseudochronology, which was devised to undermine the veracity of the Bible. And, it continues to do so.


23 posted on 04/01/2012 10:06:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: PzLdr

Thanks PzLdr. The daughter’s tomb is located out in the boonies, high up in a cliff face in the western desert, was plundered at some point, but has AFAIK never received any conservation or even much study. It’s amazing it was even found. Thutmose III had to remove her traces in order to relegitimize his own reign, which had been removed from history. Biblically, he’s the pharaoh known as Shishak.


24 posted on 04/01/2012 10:08:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

How does it undermine the veracity of the Bible?


25 posted on 04/02/2012 2:09:32 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: GeronL

“Names are hard to pronounce.... although Thutmose I can do. lol.”

Pronounced “Thoot Moose,” right? 8^)


26 posted on 04/02/2012 5:53:11 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Pronounced “Thoot Moose,”

A Thoot Moose bit my sister.

27 posted on 04/02/2012 6:02:28 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: SunkenCiv

SunkenCiv- You are correct. I was getting my groups mixed up. :)


28 posted on 04/02/2012 6:37:17 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: D Rider

Because it vanishes any synchronisms (other than one superficial one) between the historical events in the O.T. and Egyptian history, of course. And that’s what it was (and is) intended to do.


29 posted on 04/02/2012 4:21:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: fidelis

This attempts to make much of a novel synchronism between the Hyksos and the Mycenaean Greeks:

History Channel: Exodus Decoded History Channel:
Exodus Decoded

host Simcha Jacobovici,
narrator James Cameron

Baggage Train from Egypt (review)


30 posted on 04/02/2012 4:39:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks SunkenCiv. :)


31 posted on 04/02/2012 6:52:25 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: SunkenCiv; fidelis; All

I am wondering if the Sea People could have been refugees from Crete after their sea power was destroyed by a tsunami from Santorini, and Mycenaean Greeks started to invade. While apparently a relatively peaceful trading people, it is possible that the surviving Crete population became much more aggressive after the times of trouble from the big eruption. The level of civilization/success of the subsequent Sea People settlements suggests a civilized history somewhere. I suspect the Hyksos were primarily Libyans, with other wandering groups intermingled.


32 posted on 04/02/2012 10:39:32 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: fidelis

My pleasure.


33 posted on 04/06/2012 1:40:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: gleeaikin

The conventional pseudochronology is the problem; the Sea People were the Greeks themselves; the Pereset were the Persians. Additionally, there was no tsunami from Santorini, just as there was no supereruption of Thera in historical times.


34 posted on 04/06/2012 1:42:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

One of *those* topics, I posted it, and yet, never thought to ping this list. Topic is from 2012.


35 posted on 06/08/2013 4:11:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s merely the conventional pseudochronology, which was devised to undermine the veracity of the Bible.
.........
I’m not sure that I understand this. I have seen several chronologies. I don’t think that there is any agreed on chronology as yet. But one of them is likely to be right. How does one vs another undermine the OT.

Generally the OT is a very good source book/history for events of the 1st millenium bc. Its a little more sketchy about events of the 2nd millenium bc.


36 posted on 06/09/2013 9:53:31 AM PDT by ckilmer
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ANCIENT SOAP OPERA REFUTED
by Kathy Medbery
http://www.belovedegypt.com/soap_opera.htm

[snip] In the Spring 1997 issue of KMT, William Petty offers a possible answer to the question in his article “Hatshepsut and Thutmose II Reconsidered”. He suggests the possibility that the politics and conflicts in the early eighteenth dynasty were not, war and peace, male and female, stepmother and stepson but the royal bloodlines. The original pharaohs of that dynasty were descendants of Sekenenre Tao and were of the Taosids line. Thutmose I was not of that line but was entitled to rule though his marriage to Ahmose who was of that line. Thutmose III was not the child of Ahmose but of another wife of Thutmose I, Mutnofret. Thus his claim was though the Thutmosid line. This made Hatshepsut’s claim more legitimate, she being Ahmose’s granddaughter, Sekenenre’s great granddaughter. [/snip]


37 posted on 02/16/2014 3:26:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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Hatshepsut and Tuthmosis: a royal feud?
By Dr Joyce Tyldesley
Last updated 2011-02-17
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/hatshepsut_01.shtml


38 posted on 02/16/2014 3:26:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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I. Velikovsky, "Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History" III

37. Two kingdoms rose on the ruins of the Hyksos Empire: the kingdom of Israel under David, and the New Kingdom of Egypt under the Eighteenth Dynasty. The beginnings of these two dynasties are not separated by six centuries; they started simultaneously.

38. The Egyptian Queen Tahpenes, the sister-in-law of Hadad the Edomite, was a wife of Ahmose.

39. Thutmose I attacked Gezer of the Philistines and gave it to Solomon, his son-in-law.

40. Queen Sheba is identical with Queen Hatshepsu.

41. The information of Josephus that the queen-guest ruled Egypt and Abyssinia, is correct.

42. The theories which place Punt and God’s Land in either South Arabia or Africa are equally wrong. Hatshepsu’s expedition, pictured in the temple of Deir el Bahari near Thebes, went to Palestine-Phoenicia.

43. By the time of the Old Kingdom, Palestine was already known as God’s Land or Holy Land. The tribe of Menashe lived in Palestine already at the time of the Old Kingdom in Egypt.

44. A preliminary expedition dispatched by Hatshepsu to prepare the way for the main expedition, was met by Peruha, the biblical Paruah, governor of Ezion-Geber.

45. The correction of the verses I Kings 4, 16-17 which place Aloth in the domain of the son of Paruah, is well founded.

46. Queen Hatshepsu participated personally in the main expedition to Ezion-Geber, Jerusalem, and Phoenicia. Her intention was to see what she had known “by hearsay” only.

47. The return voyage was made by sea from the Palestinian shore to Thebes on the Nile, and a second fleet was used. In the days of Hatshepsu there was no canal connecting the Nile with the Red Sea.

48. Jewish officers in the service of Solomon are portrayed on the walls of Deir El Bahari.

49. Exotic animals and plants, including the algum-trees “never seen before”, which Queen Hatshepsu received as gifts in God’s Land, had been brought by the navy of Hiram and Solomon from Ophir. They are seen in the pictures of the expedition.

50. Gifts were also presented to Hatshepsu by messengers of Hiram.

51. Solomon was not an obscure prince, as he is often represented. The riches of his kingdom astounded the Egyptians under their most magnificent monarch.

52. Silver-covered floors in the Jerusalem of Solomon were an actual feature; such floors were also built in the palaces of the viziers of Hatshepsu.

53. The architecture and ordinances of the Temple of Solomon were copied in the Temple of Amon at Deir El Bahari. The plan of this structure and its terraces can help in the reconstruction of the plan of the Temple of Solomon.

54. The Songs of Mounting, which are included among the Psalms, were sung by priests while ascending the terraces.

55. The office of High Priest was introduced into the Egyptian service in imitation of a similar post in the service in Jerusalem. The word pontifex is derived ultimately from the word Punt. The last word means Phoenicia.

56. The Abyssinian tradition preserved the name of the Queen of the South as Makeda, which is derived from the personal name of Hatshepsu (Make-Ra).

57. The Arabic claim that Queen Sheba was their Queen Bilkis, is unfounded.

58. The traditional origin of some Hebrew legends concerning Queen Sheba can be traced in the life and appearance of Hatshepsu.


39 posted on 02/16/2014 3:42:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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