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Genes show one big European family
PhysOrg ^ | 5-07-2013

Posted on 05/09/2013 4:00:33 AM PDT by Renfield

From Ireland to the Balkans, Europeans are basically one big family, closely related to one another for the past thousand years, according to a new study of the DNA of people from across the continent.

The study, co-authored by Graham Coop, a professor of evolution and ecology at the University of California, Davis, will be published May 7 in the journal PLoS Biology.

"What's remarkable about this is how closely everyone is related to each other. On a genealogical level, everyone in Europe traces back to nearly the same set of ancestors only a thousand years ago," Coop said.

"This was predicted in theory over a decade ago, and we now have concrete evidence from DNA data," Coop said, adding that such close kinship likely exists in other parts of the world as well....

(Excerpt) Read more at phys.org ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: europe; geneology; genetics; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble

A modern-day person living in the United Kingdom shares ancestors with people across the Europe. These maps show where the distant cousins of modern-day people in the UK live, at three different levels of relatedness (recent on top, older on the bottom). Bigger circles mean more ancestors, and numbers give average number of shared genetic ancestors. The further back in time, the more widespread the shared ancestors. Credit: Peter Ralph/USC and Graham Coop/UC Davis.

1 posted on 05/09/2013 4:00:33 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 05/09/2013 4:00:54 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

We already knew that.


3 posted on 05/09/2013 4:06:25 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Breaking News: Humans are genetically closely related.
4 posted on 05/09/2013 4:14:23 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle (Hil)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

They were born on the same planet.


5 posted on 05/09/2013 4:17:09 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Renfield

The nobels reproduced like rabbits and they worked everyone else to death.


6 posted on 05/09/2013 4:28:53 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Renfield
From Ireland to the Balkans, Europeans are basically one big family, closely related to one another for the past thousand years

"The past thousand years" sounds odd to me. Obviously we are all related if you go far enough back, and studies of this sort are merely parsing minor differences within the same tribe. That said, I would have guessed that to find "all Europeans as one big family," one would have needed to go back perhaps 2,500 to 3,000 years, if not to the end of the last ice age. The rise of agricultural and, later, urban cultures tends to fix people in place.

7 posted on 05/09/2013 4:29:34 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx
“The rise of agricultural and, later, urban cultures tends to fix people in place.”

Exactly. I remember reading Gibbon (Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire).

He talked about the very common practice, in ancient times, of lifting whole subject populations out of their home area and transporting them hundreds and thousands of miles to be sold into slavery.

Of course there was the subsequent mix of DNA from that point on. I always wonder if the geneticists who track this kind of thing, take into consideration that many groups got ‘transplanted’ in this way.

8 posted on 05/09/2013 4:56:57 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Renfield

See Genesis 10(Table of Nations). Europeans Primarily descend from Noah’s Son Japheth.


9 posted on 05/09/2013 5:34:59 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Renfield

r1b1c2 here. Anyone with an R (most prevalant in Europe) pretty much has a common ancestor about 25,000 years ago.


10 posted on 05/09/2013 5:44:09 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Renfield

No mention of the Basques, who are the odd men out in Europe, at least linguistically.

“The origin of the Basques and the Basque language is a controversial topic that has given place to numerous hypotheses about their origin and so far none of them is conclusive or has been completely proven.

“The ancient language of the Basque people, the Basque language, which developed from the Proto-Basque language, is the only Pre-Indo-European language that is still extant in contemporary Europe.

“The current Basque language is a language isolate. The Basques have long been supposed to be a remnant of a pre-Indo-European population of Europe. However, this assumption has come under increasing criticism as genetic and linguistic studies have become more sophisticated. No firm conclusion has been reached on their origins.”


11 posted on 05/09/2013 6:11:41 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

incest is best

Down South we are fond of say’n “if’n she ain’t good nuf for her own family, she ain’t good nuf fer a nuthers!”

Without parties and alcohol none of us would be here.


12 posted on 05/09/2013 6:18:17 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Renfield

All Europeans are probably related to the half dozen ancestors who survived Europe’s glorious history: the plagues, the Muslim invasions, the Huns, the endless wars, the Holocaust, the pogroms and purges, the revolutions, the glorious leaderships of Napoleon, Hitler and Stalin.

Was the limited gene pool both cause and effect?


13 posted on 05/09/2013 6:26:49 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter

Incest is evil and disgusting.

“We” down in the South don’t share the view expressed by the saying you quoted.

And, yes, we would be here and thriving just fine without any “parties and alchohol”.

Hope your comments were attempted humor that fell flat.

It can be funny to poke fun at ourselves, our culture, our states and regions, etc. But when humor is just an expression of thinly vieled hate, the humor is lost. Today, the left mocks the “South” which is code for Christian, conservative, or traditionalist.


14 posted on 05/09/2013 7:02:07 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter

Not necessarily. In Spain there are about 2.6 million Basques, but that number is much reduced because of the “Basque diaspora”, mostly to South America, where Argentina has some 3.5 million, and Chile has from 2-4 million. Cuba has 1.5 million.

Indeterminate as to how many are “pure Basque”, genetically.

In any event, in Spain and France, they are not only linguistically unique, Basque is not a Romance language, but they still use some cultural artifacts unique to them, that may go back to the Stone Age.

One example is that they are the only people known in Spain or France, ancient to almost modern times, who made leather straps by taking a hide, and making a thin spiral cut outward to it, resulting in a continuous strap that was quite long and unbroken. This is such a practical technique that today there are some machines to do just that.

http://i.imgur.com/9AhR20N.jpg


15 posted on 05/09/2013 7:03:47 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter
No, in Texas we don’t say that!

Are you from a trashy family or are you trying to make the south sound trashy?

16 posted on 05/09/2013 7:08:52 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Renfield

And some families are "closer" than others.

17 posted on 05/09/2013 7:11:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Renfield; martin_fierro; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield, but this appears to be based only on surviving DNA, not 1000 year old samples, hence, smokin' steamin' pile.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 8:07:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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Ancient DNA reveals Europe’s dynamic genetic history
phys.org | 6 hours ago
Posted on 04/23/2013 5:49:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3011572/posts

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19 posted on 05/09/2013 8:08:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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20 posted on 05/09/2013 8:27:26 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Basque. They had ugly women, or a geological isolation anomaly. Perhaps, predating current understanding of a long regional ice age. Regardless, Good folks, love the Basque. Great proto-language. Most of my neighbors are so, designed.


21 posted on 05/09/2013 8:38:39 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Renfield
Ancient American Skeleton Has European DNA Link

"Recent genetic samples from remains in Illinois show that the rare European DNA was around centuries before European exploration. Today, haplogroup X is found in about 20,000 American Indians."

22 posted on 05/09/2013 9:22:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
That would be white humans are closely related
23 posted on 05/10/2013 4:22:16 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Renfield

Well, this is just evidence that can be interpreted as validation of Steve Sailer’s concept of race as a large, partially-inbred, extended family.

Of course, perhaps it can be interpreted otherwise, too.


24 posted on 05/10/2013 6:00:18 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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