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Ancient Roman Military Camp Unearthed in Eastern Germany
ScienceNow ^ | 13 May 2014 | Andrew Curry

Posted on 05/18/2014 6:16:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Archaeologists have confirmed the presence of a long-lost Roman military camp deep in eastern Germany. The 18-hectare site, found near the town of Hachelbich in Thuringia, would have sheltered a Roman legion of up to 5000 troops. Its location in a broad valley with few impediments suggests it was a stopover on the way to invade territory further east...

The Hachelbich site, along with a battlefield near Hannover uncovered in 2008, show... that the Romans were willing to cross their frontier when it suited their political or military needs.

The encampment was discovered in 2010, during routine excavations as part of a road-building project...

On the camp’s northern edge, the soldiers built a gate protected by another trench that projected out past the perimeter...

Additional evidence of an ancient encampment includes traces of eight makeshift bread ovens not far from the camp perimeter and a handful of artifacts, including four nails from the bottom of Roman boots, a piece of horse tackle, and part of a scabbard. The style of these artifacts—and a few radiocarbon dates—place the camp somewhere in the first 2 centuries C.E., too broad a range to be linked to a known specific event in Roman history...

“Now we have the first camp that’s clearly more than a day trip from the edge of the empire,” he says. “It’s no isolated frontier outpost, but something that clearly points to the Elbe River,” hundreds of kilometers deep in German territory.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.sciencemag.org ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: germany; godsgravesglyphs; hachelbich; hannover; romanempire; thuringia
Ancient camp. Boot nails and other objects were found at the Hachelbich site, along with soil marks where Roman soldiers once dug a trench to defend their temporary camp. TLDA

Ancient camp. Boot nails and other objects were found at the Hachelbich site, along with soil marks where Roman soldiers once dug a trench to defend their temporary camp. TLDA

1 posted on 05/18/2014 6:16:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Report: Ancient Roman graveyard found in suburban Copenhagen
IHT | October 10, 2007 | Associated Press / Roskilde Dagblad
Posted on 10/11/2007 2:55:59 PM by SunkenCiv
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Treasure trove reveals Iron Age town [Sweden]
Science Nordic | November 23, 2013 | Ingrid Spilde
Posted on 11/29/2013 9:27:14 AM by SunkenCiv
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New Iron Age Sites Discovered in Finland [Roman era]
Popular Archaeology | Friday, January 10, 2014 | unattributed
Posted on 1/12/2014 12:30:28 AM by SunkenCiv
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/romanempire/index


2 posted on 05/18/2014 6:21:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ http://www.freerepublic.com/~bigheadfred/)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
I hope this is the beginning of a trend to lay to rest the ridiculous fiction that the Romans stopped at the Rhine after 9 AD.

3 posted on 05/18/2014 6:22:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ http://www.freerepublic.com/~bigheadfred/)
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To: SunkenCiv

This makes me say about the Romans what De Gaulle said after Stalingrad. “What a great people!” The Russians? “No, the Germans. They got so far!”


4 posted on 05/18/2014 6:26:38 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SunkenCiv

Incredible article!


5 posted on 05/18/2014 6:27:06 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: SunkenCiv

Drang nach Osten — Latin-style!


6 posted on 05/18/2014 6:27:11 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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German battlefield yields Roman surprises
CNN | 2009 | unattributed
Posted on 5/13/2013 9:09:08 PM by SunkenCiv
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New finds suggest Romans won big North Germany battle [ Maximinus Thrax ]
Monsters and Critics (Deutsche Presse-Agentur) | Wednesday, September 15, 2010 | Jean-Baptiste Piggin
Posted on 9/15/2010 11:16:18 PM by SunkenCiv
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7 posted on 05/18/2014 6:30:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ http://www.freerepublic.com/~bigheadfred/)
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To: MUDDOG; ClearCase_guy

:’)


8 posted on 05/18/2014 6:31:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ http://www.freerepublic.com/~bigheadfred/)
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To: Beowulf9

I wholeheartedly agree, although I edited out the what-a-surprise stuff from the text. :’)


9 posted on 05/18/2014 6:32:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ http://www.freerepublic.com/~bigheadfred/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Isn’t that is one of those places you take while playing Rome Total War and it doesn’t generate any income?


10 posted on 05/18/2014 6:37:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Game programmers don’t know history? Wow, who knew? :’)


11 posted on 05/18/2014 6:38:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ http://www.freerepublic.com/~bigheadfred/)
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To: ClearCase_guy

This encampment was simply a staging area for a planned Roman invasion of Russia!


12 posted on 05/18/2014 7:19:27 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: BenLurkin

well they did mine silver in the Ore Mts and maybe uranium if there was a market for it (dyes from its oxides, not a Roman Bomb)..


13 posted on 05/18/2014 7:54:22 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: SunkenCiv
Did they find graffiti saying Romanes eunt domus?
14 posted on 05/18/2014 9:08:28 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

;’)


15 posted on 05/19/2014 3:53:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ http://www.freerepublic.com/~bigheadfred/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Was this after the Teutoberg Forest disaster?


16 posted on 05/19/2014 4:20:23 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Romani ite domum

"Now write that 100 times or I'll cut your ----- off."

17 posted on 05/19/2014 6:45:45 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Verginius Rufus

You really have to have studied at least one heavily declined language to appreciate that scene fully. I have to add that the Slavic languages make Greek or Latin look easy.


18 posted on 05/19/2014 6:53:03 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Yes. The Roman response to that disaster was to use quite a bit of money to set up client kingdoms (foederati) among the German tribes to provide some control over the frontier.

The Romans' ability to "manage" the Germans already began to break down during the reign of Marcus Aureleus at the end of the second century as attacks on the Empire by the Persians drained both money and troops from the Rhine and Danube frontiers.

As civil wars and wars with Sassanid Persia ravaged the Empire in the third century, this system began to break down completely and large barbarian raids deep into the Empire took place, which resulted in huge "punishment" raids into Germany when the distracted Romans had the opportunity.

19 posted on 05/19/2014 7:00:47 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: pierrem15

20 posted on 05/19/2014 7:50:23 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: pierrem15
The Persians don't become a problem until the 220s--until then the enemy in the east was the Parthian kingdom. There was a major war against the Parthians in the 160s, commanded by Lucius Verus (co-emperor with Marcus Aurelius).

Marcus Aurelius spent much of his time on the Danube frontier fighting the Marcomanni and Quadi--he died either in Vindobona (modern Vienna) or at another place on the Danube. His successor Commodus quickly ended the war--sort of the Roman counterpart to Obama being eager to end Bush's war in Iraq regardless of the consequences.

21 posted on 05/19/2014 8:20:09 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Not sure I agree entirely-- the fact that the Parthians were not as great a threat as the Sassanids is undoubtedly true, but the fact that the threat was real enough to send Lucius Verus with a substantial army to the East (draining resources from the Danube frontier) shows that the fundamental strategic threat to the Empire was already serious at the time Marcus Aurelius.

The fact that both campaigns ended indecisively also did not bode well for the Romans. Only a little more than sixty years before Trajan was able to mop the floor with the Persians, and (with difficulty) to acquire Dacia.

In retrospect it appears Hadrian's decision to call off Trajan's Persian campaign and build enormous and costly frontier fortifications may have been a grave mistake.

22 posted on 05/19/2014 9:38:59 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: SunkenCiv

When the “History Channel” gets involved, all kinds of rubbish is tossed around. Let’s see them do a follow up on THIS one and apologize.


23 posted on 05/19/2014 12:02:26 PM PDT by ZULU (https://www.facebook.com/freejustina)
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To: ZULU

I thought that the United States was at fault for everything. obama even went on an apology tour.

Now I know it was those Italians.


24 posted on 05/19/2014 2:03:37 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: pierrem15; Verginius Rufus

Hadrian did what he did because he was only interested in boy’s anuses. Regardless, considering what turmoil the people of the Roman Empire were put through, it was obviously cohesive and durable; from the death of Hadrian to the fall of Rome was nearly three centuries. And the eastern capital didn’t fall for another millennium.

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25 posted on 05/19/2014 7:21:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: pierrem15

Thanks!


26 posted on 05/20/2014 5:31:15 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: SunkenCiv
Well I think Hadrian was interested in considerably more than boys' anuses, although I would think those were among his top ten.

He was reputed an able commander in the Dacian campaign by Trajan and was well regarded by his soldiers, who seem to have respected him a great deal despite their general disdain for buggery.

I simply meant that taking a great offensive fighting force like the Roman army and turning it into a mainly defensive force had unforeseen consequences that are already visible in the Column of Marcus Aurelius: my impression is you can see the Roman troops doing most of the defensive engineering work, while non-Roman auxiliaries are doing a lot of the fighting.

27 posted on 05/20/2014 6:04:11 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: SunkenCiv

I agree with you. This is pretty darn far in the East, especially if it points to an expedition whose goal was even farther east.


28 posted on 05/21/2014 2:44:57 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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