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“Out of Africa” Theory Officially Debunked
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Posted on 07/27/2014 9:49:37 AM PDT by djf

Scientific evidence refuting the theory of modern humanity’s African genesis is common knowledge among those familiar with the most recent scientific papers on the human Genome, Mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosomes. Regrettably, within mainstream press and academia circles, there seems to be a conspicuous – and dare we say it – deliberate vacuum when it comes to reporting news of these recent studies and their obvious implications.

(Excerpt) Read more at atlanteangardens.blogspot.com.au ...


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: africa; dmanisi; dna; europe; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; homoerectus; multiregionalism; origin; origins
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1 posted on 07/27/2014 9:49:37 AM PDT by djf
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To: djf

That’s racist!

/sarc


2 posted on 07/27/2014 9:51:44 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Claire Wolfe called. She said the Awkward Phase is over.)
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To: gop4lyf

Cue the racist kid! And the Asian one, too!


3 posted on 07/27/2014 10:01:30 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: djf

I always knew it was complicated.


4 posted on 07/27/2014 10:01:37 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: gop4lyf

Actually this is one article and by no means a definitive one. If you actually learn anything about the subject, you’ll note that the science of genetics has come a long way in the last 5-10 years, and is by no means finished. Out of Africa is still the primary theory, irrespective of this article. Make up all the conspiracy theories you like, that’s where the data is now like it or not. Google up ISOGG for the best available current theory if you care to deal with facts, and not science-fiction.


5 posted on 07/27/2014 10:02:28 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: djf

I think the out of Africa theory was designed to stop any Bible migration theories. If man came out of Africa then Noah’s Ark could not have started civilization form the mountains where the Ark landed.


6 posted on 07/27/2014 10:09:14 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion
I think the out of Africa theory was designed to stop any Bible migration theories. If man came out of Africa then Noah’s Ark could not have started civilization form the mountains where the Ark landed.

The Out of Africa theory is about a time some 100,000 years ago. The time of the great flood was around 2,500 BC.

7 posted on 07/27/2014 10:23:04 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: djf

Interesting.


8 posted on 07/27/2014 10:25:55 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: RKV

The questions still remain; are the factual assertions of this article true and accurate?


9 posted on 07/27/2014 10:28:28 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: djf
Recommended reading: A Troublesome Inheritance by Nicholas Wade (2014) or his earlier book Before The Dawn (2006)

Both books do a excellent job of explaining racial differences based upon the human genome.

10 posted on 07/27/2014 10:30:19 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: djf

The Garden of Eden was in what is present day Iraq.


11 posted on 07/27/2014 10:32:03 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and in politic)
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To: Flick Lives

Some have said Noah’s flood was 100,000 years ago also. Lots of stories and little fact. I like the one that said King Tut was IRISH! There is a great difference between the lame stream media and real scientific data.


12 posted on 07/27/2014 10:32:21 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: zot

An interesting DNA/genetics article.


13 posted on 07/27/2014 10:44:26 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: djf

Interesting stuff!

‘Central to results of this extensive examination of haplogroups (7,556) was the absence of any African genes. So lacking was the sampling of African genetic involvement, the researchers stated in their introduction that, “the finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid, as well as all non-African groups do not carry either SNI’s M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262”. [...]

‘They see no genetic proof substantiating an African precedence in the Homo sapien tree, and maintain that “a more plausible interpretation might have been that both current Africans and non-Africans descended separately from a more ancient common ancestor, thus forming a proverbial fork”.’


14 posted on 07/27/2014 10:50:23 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: mountainlion

“I think the out of Africa theory was designed to stop any Bible migration theories. “

The second in line theory is that humans from different places (i.e. races) have evolved from different primitive humans. The creationist theory has long been run out of town.


15 posted on 07/27/2014 10:58:56 AM PDT by sagar
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To: djf

There goes my chance for reparations.


16 posted on 07/27/2014 10:59:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I see you don’t really understand science do you? One article and or one datapoint does not make or break a theory.


17 posted on 07/27/2014 11:10:10 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: sagar

The creationist theory has long been run out of town.

Not for me and a lot of people.


18 posted on 07/27/2014 11:16:31 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: RKV

I see you don’t understand the difference between a fact, and consensus.

Affirming what smart people think doesn’t make YOU smart.


19 posted on 07/27/2014 11:20:51 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: mountainlion

“Some have said Noah’s flood was 100,000 years ago also.”

Very likely that one or many great floods occurred between 16,500 B.C. and 10,000 B.C. when the glacier cap melted (the end of the Ice Age); Noah’s flood could be anywhere in-between and sea levels rose 400-700 feet. When pools of water form on or under a glacier (especially when the glacier is 2-3 Km in height); release is usually sudden and catastrophic, when the ice dam holding the water back breaks.


20 posted on 07/27/2014 11:24:35 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF
“Some have said Noah’s flood was 100,000 years ago also.”

I did not mean to sound like I believed that but wanted to show that “scientific” theories are all over the place like evolution and global warming one mans proof is anothers folly.

21 posted on 07/27/2014 11:28:22 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: RKV

The other thing that isn’t being recognized is that ‘out of africa’ theory goes way back to proto-humans. As far as I know, there is no fossil record of these proto-humans anywhere in the world, but Africa. I could be mistaken, but I don’t think there’s any record of Australopithecus in Russia.

There may have been multiple migrations, but the root of all humanity is the African continent.


22 posted on 07/27/2014 11:29:32 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: papertyger

I actually have some knowledge on this topic because I have had genetic analysis done on my self. I also happen to follow the literature, and can tell you the state of the art changes over time. In this particular case the authors have hypothesized a common ancestor not found in the paleontological record. Unless and until you find physical evidence of this species you’re not selling me on the theory.


23 posted on 07/27/2014 11:35:46 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Marie

Bucky Fuller says “Not so fast!! Take a look at Southeast Asia...”


24 posted on 07/27/2014 11:38:04 AM PDT by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: RKV
You still have not answered the question; are the factual assertions in the article true and accurate? Such behavior is today's disease no person answers a direct question. Failure to answer generally means the person does not know or knows and does not wish to answer as an answer would contradict his preconceived position.

The scientific method has not overthrown the "Law of Contradiction."

25 posted on 07/27/2014 11:41:51 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: djf

Academia needed an Afro Centric origin of man to debunk the bible and to lift black Africans to the top of the genetic heap.

Academia is bummed out and will never admit that black Africa is not the origin of man. They will go on teaching this as “fact” for as long as liberals and the government run the schools, which will be close to forever.


26 posted on 07/27/2014 11:48:43 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: djf
Look we all started somewhere. Who cares if was Africa?.. I know some black seem to think there something to brag about..if you ever seen the “The first man was a black man” tee shirt.

But that just shooting yourself in the foot..

by simple logic...

If you going around claiming your race is special because its was the “first man” your also claiming your the most “primitive man” dumb ass

... I would run as far away from that stupid ."first man/first race" bs as i could because is no honor

27 posted on 07/27/2014 12:08:58 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: djf
Scientific evidence refuting the theory of modern humanity’s African genesis is common knowledge among those familiar with the most recent scientific papers on the human Genome, Mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosomes. Regrettably, within mainstream press and academia circles, there seems to be a conspicuous – and dare we say it – deliberate vacuum when it comes to reporting news of these recent studies and their obvious implications.

http://vault-co.blogspot.com/

Interesting ideas, worth a look. Everything worthwhile in the current era comes from the oppressed Neandertal genetic remnant.

28 posted on 07/27/2014 12:53:47 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("How can there be peace when the sorceries and whordoms of your mother Rome are so many?")
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To: djf

Jesus people, look at the site. It just on big conspiracy theorist site trying to prove that Atlantians run the world. Get a grip.


29 posted on 07/27/2014 1:11:48 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: mountainlion; RKV; djf; SunkenCiv
"I like the one that said King Tut was IRISH! There is a great difference between the lame stream media and real scientific data."

I'm R1b as are 68% of all Europeans.(The Irish are even higher)

As I understand it, the scientific group had an agreement with the associated Egyptians not to reveal any DNA results. The data was accidently released when the Discovery Channel realized that they'd inadvertly captured the groups DNA data from a picture of a blackboard.

List of haplogroups of notable people

Tutankhamun

An academic study which included DNA profiling of some of the related male mummies of the 18th Dynasty of Egypt was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2010. Tutankhamun's Y-DNA haplogroup was not published in the academic paper,[29][30][31] however iGENEA, a Swiss personal genomics claimed to have reconstructed King Tut's Y-DNA profile based on screencaps from a Discovery Channel documentary about the study. iGENEA found that King Tut belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1a2,[32][33][34] Members of the research team that conducted the academic study published in 2010 stated they had not been consulted by iGENEA before they published the haplogroup information and described iGENEA's claims as "unscientific." [31] After pressure to publish Tutankhamun's full DNA report to confirm his Y-DNA results, the researchers refused to respond."

30 posted on 07/27/2014 2:13:58 PM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: mountainlion
I posted this eleven years ago:

Stranger In A New Land

Image: JOHN GURCHE PORTRAIT OF A PIONEER With a brain half the size of a modern one and a brow reminiscent of Homo habilis, this hominid is one of the most primitive members of our genus on record. Paleoartist John Gurche reconstructed this 1.75-million-year-old explorer from a nearly complete teenage H. erectus skull and associated mandible found in Dmanisi in the Republic of Georgia. The background figures derive from two partial crania recovered at the site.

31 posted on 07/27/2014 2:21:26 PM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ..
Thanks blam.

32 posted on 07/27/2014 2:29:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: djf

I’ve always suspected that this stuff was a leftwing pseudo sience cave in to Afrocentrist PC bullshit. I never believed it..as a Christian I believe that God created the different races.


33 posted on 07/27/2014 2:41:04 PM PDT by pallmallman (Q)
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To: blam
An Ancestry magazine, I forgot the name, half a page or so on the process. They said that half the European males were related to Tut. I am 1L haplo but I am still trying to narrow it down. It is an interesting subject. The Tut discovery raised some questions to the out of Africa theory as they had assumed him to be African.
34 posted on 07/27/2014 2:44:14 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: dfwgator

“There goes my chance for reparations.”

You win. Best comment yet!


35 posted on 07/27/2014 3:10:08 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: RKV
I actually have some knowledge on this topic because I have had genetic analysis done on my self.

Which means you have an investment in the status quo, therefore some measure of confirmation bias..

In this particular case the authors have hypothesized a common ancestor not found in the paleontological record.

That's not what the article is predicated on.

Planck didn't pull his famous dictum from thin air.

36 posted on 07/27/2014 3:28:04 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: blam
Interesting link but the Irish claim is slightly off

"King Tut Related to Half of European Men? Maybe Not

But Carsten Pusch, a geneticist at Germany's University of Tubingen who was part of the team that unraveled Tut's DNA from samples taken from his mummy and mummies of his family members, said that iGENEA's claims are "simply impossible."

But that doesn't mean some Europeans aren't related. I think the money quote is here.

"The haplogroup R1b1a2, which iGENEA claims includes King Tut, arose 9,500 years ago in the Black Sea region."

If King Tut is of that haplotype (not established) he may have been related to the Minoans who are also thought to descend from the same Black Sea pliestocene population. This mass migration has been speculated to be the result of a great flood.

As was said in the thread about the Minoans, some Europeans are decended from the same population. When it comes right down to it, none of this is earth shaking but it is interesting.

37 posted on 07/27/2014 3:36:03 PM PDT by Varda
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To: mountainlion
Lots of stories and little fact. I like the one that said King Tut was IRISH!

Was he talkative? Funny until drunk, and then bad-tempered? Did he have thyroid trouble? Was he about five feet tall when fully grown? Sarcastic and caustic when speaking to his children? Maudlin and sentimental when remembering his mother and the old days? Grouchy when old? Then he was probably Irish.

38 posted on 07/27/2014 4:40:17 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Varda
If King Tut is of that haplotype (not established) he may have been related to the Minoans

From what I remember the Egyptians considered the Minoans the other civilized people with the rest of humanity being barbarians. So it is not a stretch to think that Minoan and Egyptian royals would have intermarried.

39 posted on 07/27/2014 4:51:49 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Albion Wilde

I am Irish. Why are you so insulting?


40 posted on 07/27/2014 5:08:39 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: blam

Thanks for that link - interesting reading.


41 posted on 07/27/2014 5:17:23 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: mountainlion
I am Irish. Why are you so insulting?

Because I am also Irish.

42 posted on 07/27/2014 5:19:43 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Yes, that's possible. The royal families don't necessarily have the same ancestry as the general population and intermarriage has long been a way to practice politics. Like others have said, it would be good if they published the findings.
43 posted on 07/27/2014 5:57:28 PM PDT by Varda
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To: djf

44 posted on 07/27/2014 6:00:21 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping to this very interesting article.


45 posted on 07/27/2014 6:31:13 PM PDT by zot
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To: Marie
Here is the distribution of Homo erectus, a pre-human species.


46 posted on 07/27/2014 8:14:42 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

Check it out. This is what I mean about proto-humans all originating out of Africa. I just think that they migrated in different waves that go back further than we realize.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus


47 posted on 07/27/2014 9:08:10 PM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: djf

What, you mean Lucy isn’t really the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great....great grandmother of us all.....


48 posted on 07/27/2014 9:43:25 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: djf

“ATLANTEAN GARDENS”?????

What is this site?

There is no question mankind originated in Africa.

The only legitimate questions are did “modern man” simulataneously evolve in three continents (unlikely), did modern man interbreed with earlier types of hominoids which had evolved from earlier migrations out of Africa like Neanderthals (highly likely) and, if so, what degree of impact did that have on non-African “modern” man, and at what point in the past did “modern” man outside Africa diverge from African populations.


49 posted on 07/28/2014 8:23:02 AM PDT by ZULU (Go REDSKINS!!! Impeach Obama!!!)
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To: blam

Nice to see that what we have argued about for years is coming around to our side.


50 posted on 07/29/2014 9:29:33 AM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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