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.50-caliber gun ban ill-advised
times union ^ | 4 23 04 | fred lebrun

Posted on 04/23/2004 12:28:56 PM PDT by freepatriot32

Most sportsmen I know don't see the need to get worked up over New York State Assembly legislation that would ban the sale and ownership of a .50-caliber gun.

Understandably, since the .50 cal that comes to mind these days is the modern 50-pound, single-shot sniper's rifle our military uses on targets a mile away. Costing anywhere between $2,000 and $11,000, with ammo as hard to find as a unicorn's toenail, the .50 cal is an exotic.

Although there are high-end target shooting competitions for such guns, and they are legitimate, legal functions undeserving of governmental interference.

But I'm also here to sound an alarm for the average New York state hunter. He or she has plenty to be concerned about with Assembly bill 7039. Worried would be too strong a word, but concerned is not.

By attempting to ban a caliber and not specific weapons, the prohibition may apply to guns near and dear to your heart after all, not just the exotics.

Keep in mind that this .50-caliber ban bill was goofy to begin with, arising from the Assembly's hasty need to counter various and equally idiotic anti-terrorism bills from Gov. Pataki and the State Senate.

Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington from Patchogue, Long Island, came up with the idea. She's convinced terrorists want to carry around a 50-pound, single-shot weapon, and Speaker Sheldon Silver has even gone so far as to assert such a gun could bring down an airliner. I have found no credible evidence in support.

"Fifty-caliber guns have no legitimate purpose, and to keep them legal is supporting keeping them legal for terrorists and others," Silver told the Associated Press. This conjures the mind-boggling image of terrorists and their ilk, whatever their ilk might be, lining up at a gun shop, waiting for their Brady checks, in order to purchase a sniper gun.

Please. After speaking with Eddington I am convinced she is sincere and straight with this legislation. She was 17 years a social worker in public schools, and her motivation comes from awful discussions about kids bringing guns to school. But it is also clear to me she knows little about guns and calibers.

Although she does insist she is not anti-hunting at all. She told me her brother-in-law in Poughkeepsie deer hunts, and that's fine with her. She also said she learned that blackpowder .50-caliber guns are something different from what she has in mind, and that an amendment in her bill now excludes blackpowder guns.

But Tom King, director for the New York State Pistol and Rifle Association, one of several gun groups rightly opposed to this bill, brings up an alarming point. At the same time Assembly staffers were briefed on why the legislation should exclude blackpowder guns, it was pointed out that all shotguns of a larger bore than a .410 might be at risk under the ban.

Yet the Assembly amended the bill to exclude blackpowder guns, but not your slug-shooting 12-, 16-, or 20-gauge shotgun. Since we have deer-hunting counties like Albany and Schoharie that allow shotguns but not rifles for deer hunting, this cuts to the bull's-eye of our interests.

"I think we should be scared about that," cautions King, and he's right.

Is it intentional or simply ineptly drawn? In the end, does it matter? There's no reason to get paranoid over this, but King does remind us that going all the way back to various attempts at banning assault weapons, there's been a fever to ban semi-automatic shotguns as well. Why is mystifying, but there it is.

So why does this not rise to worry status for gunning sportsmen? Because the legislation is a one-house bill for now, and sources in the State Senate tell me it is apt to stay that way. However, now would be the ideal time to contact your senator and share those concerns.

Fred LeBrun's outdoors column is published Thursdays. To reach him, call 454-5453


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: Eaker
Thanks for the pics, but how does the author almost double the rifle's weight? I think of a modern single shot, bolt action only in the sense that I think of some modern blackpowder muzzle loaders. This .50 cal. round has been around for about 80 years or more, IIRC.
41 posted on 04/23/2004 3:29:26 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: freepatriot32; All
Check this out. http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/012.html
42 posted on 04/23/2004 3:32:27 PM PDT by NYTexan ( Liberalism: finding ways to spend other peoples money!)
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To: neverdem
" but how does the author almost double the rifle's weight?"

The same way he makes the rounds nearly non-existent when I buy them off the Internet at two bucks a round for all I want to order and match ammo off the shelf for $4.80 a round for all I can afford (which is about ten).

43 posted on 04/23/2004 3:42:15 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: NYTexan
Wow! That is a beauty!

I've got to admit, I have a love affair with the .50 caliber weapons.
I like to pull mine out at the rifle range and say,

"SEE! Mine's bigger than yours!"

44 posted on 04/23/2004 3:44:48 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: neverdem; TexasCowboy
Reporters and editors in many cases are not too bright.

Click the pic for a few more FReeper pics with TexasCowboy's 50 cal.

TexasCowboy lets us shoot it all we want!! He will even let you shoot his Sharps!

45 posted on 04/23/2004 3:52:58 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
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To: Eaker
I hurt my shoulder just looking at that picture.
46 posted on 04/23/2004 3:56:23 PM PDT by spodefly (A .44 Magnum intellect in a .22 Caliber world.)
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To: spodefly
It has a really good push and blast, but the Sharps is like getting hit in the shoulder with a 4# sledge!!

I'll shoot the .50 all day before I shoot that damn buffalo gun again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

47 posted on 04/23/2004 3:58:58 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Bought my S&M 50 last week very sweet but it is not a pocket weapon.
48 posted on 04/23/2004 4:11:13 PM PDT by dozer7 (Love many, trust few and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: OXENinFLA
Nice picture. Looks like an SMLE Mk4? Like wot I used to shoot full bore with on the range as a kid.

49 posted on 04/23/2004 4:18:12 PM PDT by 5050 no line
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To: dozer7
....but it is not a pocket weapon.

Okaaaayy.

"Is that a S&W .50 strapped to your thigh or are you John Holmes?"

50 posted on 04/23/2004 4:43:38 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,Election '04...It's going to be a bumpy ride,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø)
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To: xone
I read that the .50 BMG was created by Germans near the end of WW1 to penetrate the new war vehicle known as a tank.
51 posted on 04/23/2004 4:56:07 PM PDT by Chinese_American_Patriot (9/11/01 - Never Forget, NEVER Forgive!!!! Al-Fallujah, Iraq. The home of savage Islamofacists!!!!)
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To: Eaker
Thanks for all the pics, nice pooch too, especially with those ear muffs.
52 posted on 04/23/2004 5:12:12 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Eaker
"He will even let you shoot his Sharps!"

LET YOU??!

Heck, I'll PAY you to shoot it!

Man! I LOVE that Website!
Makes my finger itch, though.

53 posted on 04/23/2004 5:48:22 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
"...ammo as hard to find as a unicorn's toenail, the .50 cal is an exotic."

? WTF ?
54 posted on 04/23/2004 6:00:12 PM PDT by ezo4
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To: TexasCowboy; Eaker
I hate that .50.

Someone should melt them all down into a peace sculpture.

Or something.

55 posted on 04/23/2004 6:06:31 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
"I hate that .50."

Yeah, I can tell......

I'm sure that spit drooling out of your mouth everytime you shoot it is the result of a bad sinus infection.

Or something.

56 posted on 04/23/2004 6:12:38 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
So rocks are now unlawful?
57 posted on 04/23/2004 9:12:39 PM PDT by KingofQue
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To: OXENinFLA
Where did you get that picture? I like it! Also, I have a Lee-Enfield just like that one.
58 posted on 04/23/2004 9:33:27 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (To increase the power of the State over the individual is a crime against Humanity.)
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To: Threepwood
Yes, the No.4 Mk.1 is lovely. I really enjoy mine.
59 posted on 04/23/2004 9:35:49 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (To increase the power of the State over the individual is a crime against Humanity.)
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To: xone
Also, the author doesn't know much about ballisitics. Calibre alone is not a determiner. Other factors are: grains of powder, shape of projectile, mass of projectile, etc. Some .50cal musket balls would do little more than dent the fender of a truck. I really hate articles about firearms written by dolts who known damn little about them - arrgghh!
60 posted on 04/23/2004 9:48:07 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (To increase the power of the State over the individual is a crime against Humanity.)
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