Fingerprint links Oregon with Spain

Oregonian Live ^ | May 08, 2004 | Marc Larabee, Steven Beaven, Kathleen Blythe, Bryan Denson and Lori Tobias

[Sacajaweau]

What I found real interesting, is that Mona said "When they came to the house and rang the bell, she thought it was the mailman".

I don't know how their mail system works, but my mailman doesn't ring my bell unless there's a package "I have to sign for".

[Sacajaweau]

Mona knows SEVERAL languages. Does that include Spanish?

We know the bombers came from several countries. Do her language capabilities cover all of them?

[blam]

"I think a perfect match is 18 points."

Thanks. I know there are some standards/guidelines on this sort of 'matching.' Fifteen matches is pretty good if 18 is considered perfect.

[blam]

"Possibly some muslim from Spain carried the phones to Portland in his baggage, Mayfield rigged them, and the guy took them back with him. Seems like a long, hard way to get something done when local "talent" was probably available, but anything is possible."

I'm not well versed in this area but I think it's not that complicated...just calling the number of the phone sets off the detnator, huh?

[Sacajaweau]

I'm still wondering about Brandon's middle name (Bieri). His mother was asked several times by the agents if he had any nicknames.

[KC_for_Freedom]

I don't know how their mail system works, but my mailman doesn't ring my bell unless there's a package "I have to sign for".

Perhaps a lot of packages come and go? I wish we could have kept them under survelance for a few months. We probably missed a bonanza. I trust the "boys" are keeping track of others in the local group.

[blackie]

Dave ~ I agree with the doctor's statement about "Pus Pockets" ~ Perfect!

[Oorang]

I'm searching for the "18" that I read the other day. Haven't found it yet. Here is some info though:

A perfect fingerprint will yield 175 to 180 points of information. Twelve points (less than 10 percent of a fingerprint) are required to convict in a federal court, and as few as five points may be used to convict in many jurisdictions. In other words, a far-from-perfect print will still yield positive identification information. http://www.childidprogram.com/05fingerprint.html

[blackie]

I haven't heard anything about an ELF link to muslim terrorists.

[JohnnyZ]

He was upset about it, the senior Mayfield said, but he "expected it because he's Muslim, plain and simple."

Pretty far down the article that they bring THAT up ...

[blam]

Good info, thanks.

[CurlyDave]

I'm not well versed in this area but I think it's not that complicated...just calling the number of the phone sets off the detnator, huh?

It is somewhat more difficult than that. The actual detonator has to be wired to the cell phone so that the electrical signal which would ring the phone triggers the detonator. I have no idea if the voltage is correct or if a more sophisticated circuit is necessary. Just putting the phone in a backpack full of explosives is not going to cause the explosives to go off when the phone rings.

Other precautions are necessary, which I will not go into on an open forum in the fervent hope that someone rigging one of these will ignore a precaution and have a work accident.

From reading the news accounts, the phones in this case were only used as timers. "But one more dud - the 14th bomb - went undetected for 12 hours until a mobile-phone alarm sounded amid luggage that had been taken from the bombed trains to a police station. The alarm was rigged to trigger the detonator but the bombers had mistakenly set it for 7:40pm instead of 7:40am, when the other devices exploded on the trains.

Had the detonator functioned, it would have blown up the police station. Instead police were able to examine the device for evidence and learn vital details of the methods and materials used to carry out the attacks."

Something smells about this part of the story. The 14th bomb should have gone off when the alarm on the phone activated. Either we are not getting the whole story or someone both miswired the device and set the alarm incorrectly.

While I wouldn't put two screwups one the same device beyond these guys, the odds that both mistakes would be made on the same bomb are very low. Especially when all 13 others worked as intended.

Consider the scenario where the bombers think this through and realize that all evidence will be collected in a central location. A second blast which destroys the evidence and kills a few investigators would make the investigation a lot more difficult.

For years, bombers have known about the tactic of placing two bombs, a small one to draw police and fire to the scene and then a larger one to attack the responders. It is not hard to envision an extension of this plan.

[Sacajaweau]

We know the phones were purchased locally in Spain but I don't think the date of purchase has been noted.

I think they've been watching BOTH Mona and Brandon. With her language skills and mideast connections and his military background and access to immigration stuff AND the fact that he's more concerned with Muslims than Americans, it makes a team.

Where are HER parents?? I see nothing to indicate that they are in the USA and no interviews with them????

[Sacajaweau]

So the timer on the phone was the detonator. Did they CALL to make sure there was no answer?? telling them that the bomb went off. Surely, they were not anywhere in the vicinity and assumed no one was close enough to hear a phone AT THIS POINT in time.

[johnny7]

Federal officials tell Newsweek that they doubt Mayfield has been innocently swept up in a case of international intrigue. Mayfield married an Egyptian woman, converted to Islam 16 years ago and was active in a local Oregon mosque whose members had openly protested government antiterror policies. But it was another thing that leapt out at investigators: in 2002, Mayfield had volunteered to provide legal help for Jeffrey Battle, one of the ringleaders of the Portland Seven -- a group of local jihadists who had flown to Asia after 9/11 in an unsuccessful effort to fight with the Taliban. "If that print had matched with some little old lady in Peoria, that would be one thing," says a U.S. official. "But what are the odds it would be somebody with this background?"

This is 2 hrs. old from NEWSWEEK. "Absolutely incontrovertible match."!

[Sacajaweau]

Yeh, I just read that, too.

I bet they're checking the postal records to see what's been coming and going (and a few other million things).

He's supposed to be in Court Tuesday so we should know more after that.

[AuntB]

Yet another hysterical leftie muslim bent out of shape over the Patriot Act. If this keeps up we will have no choice but to detain all of them. I've been offline all weekend, so I'm just catching up to this latest Oregon connection.....is he a friend of Vera?

[AuntB]

$inator Hildebea$t

I am SO very bored with that woman!! Here ya go Dave, you'll like this.

Bill Clinton was walking along the beach when he stumbled upon a Genie's lamp. He picked it up and rubbed it and lo-and-behold, a Genie appeared.

Bill was amazed and asked if he got three wishes. The Genie said,

"Nope... Due to inflation, constant downsizing, low wages in third-world countries, and fierce global competition, I can only grant you one wish. So... What'll
it be?"


Bill didn't hesitate. He said, "I want to be remembered for bringing peace in the Middle East, instead of that other stuff with Monica, and Gennifer, and the rest of those women. See this map? I want these countries to stop fighting with each other."


The Genie looked at the map of the Middle East and exclaimed,
"Jeez,Fella! These people have been at war for thousands of years. I'm good, but not THAT good. I don't think it can be done. Make another wish."

Bill thought for a minute and said, "You know, people really don't like my wife. Even though she got elected, they call her a carpetbagger. They think she's mean, ugly, and pushes me around. I wish for her to be the most beautiful woman in the world and I want everybody to like her. That's what I want."

The Genie let out a long sigh and said,
"Let me see that map again."

[AuntB]

"The FBI analysts also found indications that whoever left the fingerprint on the bag involved in the Madrid bombings had some connection to the Yugoslav province of Kosovo, where international Islamic extremists have been active."

Someone better start seriously thinking about these terrorists in Kosovo....talk about a world sactioned breeding ground! And I see Mr. Mayfield went to Portland State University. He's just too involved with extreme factions to be totally "innocent". I can't remember, but it was something not long ago tying terrorism to PSU.

[AuntB]

"The FBI analysts also found indications that whoever left the fingerprint on the bag involved in the Madrid bombings had some connection to the Yugoslav province of Kosovo, where international Islamic extremists have been active. "

Have you guys seen this regarding Oregonian Brandon Mayfield?