Posted on 06/23/2004 10:42:14 AM PDT by churchillbuff
It is a big deal when they target your children for conversion.
I agree. I am not justifying the perception, only explaining where it comes from, and how it came to be as it is.
It's called freedom.
Learn to love it or start building gulags.
Yes. International Show Trial in Hague on Friday, 27 September 2002
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THE ACCUSED: [Int.] When we were on good terms, Holbrooke said to me that Izetbegovic managed to play the role of a victim and that he, Holbrooke, called that - I remember his words - "ruthless ingeniosity." However, this not ingenious at all. This is just heartless; sacrificing thousands of his own citizens in order to be able • to accuse the Serbs. I have to rush on. I have a map here. I'll give it to you. Camps for Serbs from 1991 to 1996. They existed at different points in time. Some went on for a longer period of time, some shorter. There were 778 of them altogether; 536 in Bosnia-Herzegovina, 221 in Croatia. And • here is a list of every one of these camps. It includes many pages. There are many crimes that were committed. I won't have time. I won't have time to show this. Many crimes were committed in Croatia before the independence of Croatia was proclaimed, before it was recognised. There is a great number of crimes committed in Bosnia before • the proclamation of independence, before recognition. Please, could you
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just place these two images on the overhead projector -- or three, perhaps. These two, rather. Take a look at this. Please put these two on the overhead projector. I'm not going to put any other pictures on the overhead • projector. These are crimes from the 26th of March, 1992, in Sijekovac. The units crossed the Sava River and slaughtered the Serbs. Please put the big picture on the overhead projector. That's it. That's what they did. That's what the Mujahedin did, the ones we saw yesterday. And we saw Izetbegovic reviewing them • yesterday. What's the matter? Is it not on the screens?
JUDGE MAY: It's on the screen. Do you want the next photograph shown?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] But I haven't seen it on the screen. • I only see you on the screen.
JUDGE MAY: It's on our screen. Make sure you've got the right button.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] All right. All right. You don't want to show this. You don't want to show this to the public.
JUDGE MAY: Mr. Milosevic, it is on our screen.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] It's not on the screens that the public sees. Right. I see it on this screen now. But this internal screen only. So he is holding a head, the head of a Serb that he cut off. So those are the 20.000 Mujahedin that were brought to the European • theatre of war through Clinton's policy, and most of them remained there
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and some went to America and to other countries, and they went all around Europe. And then when they start beheading your own people in wars to come, then you will know what this is all about. There are many photographs of major crimes.
JUDGE MAY: The usher is by the overhead projector. Do you want some other photographs shown to us?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] I don't have time, Mr. May. I have 12 minutes left --
JUDGE MAY: Very well.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] -- according to your shortened procedure. But I want to say one thing to you. For example --
JUDGE MAY: Let the usher -- there's no need for the usher to remain there. Give the photographs back, if you would, to Mr. Milosevic.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] Put the other picture on the ELMO, • please, the one with the three heads. Take a look at this, these three heads of Serbs in an ammunition case. They cut off heads. These are the madmen that are doing things like that. And that is what Clinton's policy in Bosnia did. They were assembled in Bosnia. Look at Algeria, which is a Muslim country. How many Muslims, • Algerians, did they kill so far? This has nothing do with Muslims. These are Islamic fundamentalists who are the enemies of the entire world. Not only of Christians or some others but of Muslims as well. You have -- [...]
Many of them are as nominal Christians as as are Jews.
These nominal Christians are making common cause with Muslims. See the alliance between the Aztlandistas and the Muslims on the college campuses. Or see the proclivity of many new immigrants to ally with the Party of the Oppressed - the DemocRats.
I'm in agreement with this writer. I see the immigration laws as currently promulgated as a threat to MY culture as a Christian.
MY preference would be to limit immigration for a while to those strictly fleeing persecution for religious reasons. That would limit it to religious Christians and religious Jews.
Flame away anyone and call me a bigot, but Muslims have an entire region to live where they are not oppressed, but are the oppressors.
Christians and Jews in those regions are fleeing those oppressors. Plus, they tend to be conservative in their social outlook which suits me fine.
I'm not saying that people shouldn't be free to do so, only that it is antagonistic and unwise. Unless you can point out where I have called for a government intervention or a law to be passed, you should retract your statement.
I did not hit any abuse button nor did I ping the Admin Moderator. You caught the attention of the mods all by yourself.
Whether or not you have directly called for "government intervention or a law to be passed," the only way to obtain your objective is to promote the apparatus of the state over the pursuit of faith.
Being the target of conversion attempts is a (tiny) price we pay to live in freedom.
Alas, FR had a hiccup (or at least my connection to FR did) and I posted twice. You should know that churchillbuff added an editorial comment to the title.
"SPQR" means "The Senate and People of Rome". It was just a very strange thing to see in Budapest and I know fascists often refer to Rome.
You seem to be all bent out of shape about the change of a title. Why is that?
Oh, no, it was scrawled along the subway walls. There's graffiti everywhere there, but SPQR made no sense at all.
Your own "club", lol.......
Emphasis added. This is binary thinking and I have not once even suggested that alternative, so stop attributing it to me. The alternative I suggest is maturity in the Christian evangelical community, that they voluntarily cease attempts to convert Jews to Christianity, for the purpose of eliminating the atmosphere of distrust, and to engender good will and cooperation among the broad spectrum of ideas in which the two faiths are in solid agreement. In the case they don't cease, I do not advocate any coercion whatsoever. I will only point out that in that case, mistrust and suspicion of motives are well-deserved.
and it's a small parish..only about 90 families...
I just thought of one way, perhaps, to help you understand. How do you feel about homosexuals attempting to target your children for conversion?
Bravo Slobo!! Thanks much!
Thanks, ADude. I am not fully operational today, obviously.
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