FBI says VVAW disclosed US Military plans (Kerry's Treason)

Winter Soldier ^

[BykrBayb]

On www.wintersoldier.com's Timeline page, it says "April 22, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "Emergency March for Peace" in Bryant Park in New York City."

At that same time, according to the FBI surveillance file, Section 50, Part 1, Page 152. VVAW/WSO revealed information about a US Military operation. "...the VVAW/WSO operation during 4/72 during which a canvass of VVAW/WSO members, some in active military service, developed information indicating US would bomb Hanoi and Haiphong. This information was disseminated by VVAW/WSO prior to the actual bombing and could have seriously jeopardized US Military operations and lives of servicemen."

[ravingnutter]

Here's what I could find on the 1971 meeting:

KERRY RETREATS FROM HIS DENIAL ON VIETNAM MEET - Evidence Puts Him At Kansas Parley

***Breaking*** Kerry Continued to Represent the VVAW after November, 1971

I know that the FR system had to be purged of the 1973 Corbis photo due to a copyright complaint, but the info still has to be out there somewhere, I just can't locate it right now. I pinged backhoe, he has hundreds of Kerry files in archives, maybe he knows where it is. It was a picture of Kerry sitting in front of a TV watching a Nixon speech and the caption identified him as being the head of VVAW.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[concerned about politics]

I'll move it up, too. BTTT

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"He was a ferry master, a drop-off guy, but it was dangerous as hell.
Kerry carries a hat he was given by one CIA operative.
In a part of his journals which I didn't use
he writes about discussions with CIA guys he was dropping off."

Douglas Brinkley biographer of John Kerry

[happygrl]

What I know is only from what I read in the papers at the time, and in books later.

What you know is from the crucible of Knowing in a way that is frightening.

By October of 1973, my Dad was out of the service. But I was a little girl in Omaha, Nebraska during the Cuban Misslile Crisis, and I didn't see my father for a week.

That is Knowing.

[gatorbait]

I regret that I can't stay and follow this thread, as I have to take hubby to the doctor. I'll follow up when I get back.

Two things, great find on the article.Second, more importantly,hope hubby is fine and you both are okay.

[El Gato]

haven't yet seen any evidence that kerry himself turned the information over, but he was "a leader of VVAW" at the time.

No he wasn't by Oct 1973 he had quit the organization. Even by April of 72 when the earlier dissemination of military info mentioned in the report took place. Although he hadn't quit when they (VVAW) discussed kidnapping and/or killing Congressmen who supported the Vietnam war effort.

[El Gato]

I stand corrected, I hadn't read the clipping from 4/72 at that point. I think no one other than the principals know when, or if, Kerry really quit VVAW.

[El Gato]

I don’t know if McCain told the VC anything,

OF course not. He was in prison in North Vietnam, not in the south. No VC around there, just NVA (North Vietamese Army). McCain was shot down in late October of '67. Within six months, after Tet of '68, there weren't all that many VC anywhere. Except the "pet" VC that NV pretended were an independent political "Front", like Madamn Binh who Kerry met with.

[El Gato]

Call it what you will, he gave up more than name rank and serial number.

So did just about every other POW of the North Vietnamese. Most held out more than 4 days though.

[OldFriend]

Brinkley sure took a lot of Kerry's story on faith. But then he wanted to believe it all.

So now the Cambodia on Christmas story proves what liar Kerry turned out to be and Brinkley has only cemented his creds with the lefty media.

[usurper]

You are wrong. McCain admitted that he gave up ship positions in exchange for medical attention. Call it what you will, he gave up more than name rank and serial number.

He was shot down, severely injured and received no medical attention until he told them something. From what I remember he held out quite a long time. I consider myself a pretty tough guy but I can’t say I would not talk under these conditions.

I doubt that the information he gave them regarding ship locations was of much value as the ships would have moved by then and enemy had no way to attack them anyway.

At any rate how can you equate McCain’s actions with those of Kerry’s after he returned home?

[Salvation]

Bumping

[usurper]

OF course not. He was in prison in North Vietnam, not in the south. No VC around there, just NVA (North Vietamese Army).

OK, but I still don’t see how one can equate McCain’s service with Kerry’s conduct after the war.

[shezza]

McCain was shot down in 1967, but he was still being held in Hanoi at this time (he wasn't released until 1973). While Kerry's and other VVAW members' actions may have affected the treatment of the POWs, it could be that some other "guests" of the Hanoi Hilton were there as a direct result of VVAW's treasonous activities.

[lepton]

These days, it seems that very few treason cases get prosecuted.

The left has defined the word away, just as it did with "evil."

[GoLightly]

That's the date I was wondering. Do you know if any of his band of brothers were members of the organization?

[GoLightly]

He may have been out of VVAW, but wasn't he deeply involved in the Winter Soldiers investigation/allegations?

[BykrBayb]

Do you have the exact citation of the article in the picture, ie, the date of it?

According to wintersoldier.com, it was April 1972. I've always just taken it for granted that they verified the date. I did some googling, hoping to back that up, but I'm more confused than when I started. The 1st paragraph of the article refers to Champaign police responding to a protest that had subsided to a sit-in on the day the article was written. The 4th paragraph says the protests occurred outside a formal dinner celebrating the centennial of the Engineering Department at the University of Illinois. So I went the website for the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign College of Engineering. Their About The College page says

"The College of Engineering was one of the original units when the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) opened in 1868."
That would have put kerry's speech in Bryant Park some time in 1968, not 1972.

[BykrBayb]

My understanding of what I read and posted here, is that in April 1972, members of VVAW/WSO developed information its members had gathered about a US plan to bomb Hanoi and Haiphong. VVAW/WSO delivered that information, either immediately or at some later time, but still "prior to the actual bombing." Presumably they gave that info to North Viet Nam, but I'm just speculating on that, as it seems obvious. The bombing went forward, when, I don't know. When the FBI says "...could have seriously jeopardized US Military operations and lives of servicemen" I'm not sure if they mean "maybe it did, maybe it didn't," or they might mean "it could have, but it didn't."

Put that together with the article stating kerry was a leader of VVAW, and spoke on their behalf in Bryant Park, and it doesn't look good for him. Wintersoldier.com identifies the article as being in April 1972, but I'm beginning to doubt that. See my post #79. That's my take on it.