Posted on 08/27/2004 2:01:17 PM PDT by Cincinna
November 2001 plane crash (A A flight 587) Queens, NY was AL QAIDA operation
Stewart Bell National Post ( CANADA)
August 27, 2004
A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.
Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.
The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid, a "Top Secret" Canadian government report says.
But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane.
"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."
Jdey, 39, came to Canada from Tunisia in 1991 and became a citizen in 1995. Shortly after getting his Canadian passport, he left for Afghanistan and trained with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to the 9/11 commission in the United States.
He recorded a "martyrdom" video, but was dropped from the 9/11 mission after returning to Canada in the summer of 2001. The planner of the World Trade Center attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, claims Jdey was recruited for a "second wave" of suicide attacks.
The FBI issued an alert seeking Jdey's whereabouts in 2002. John Ashcroft, the U.S. Attorney-General, told a news conference in May that Jdey was one of seven al-Qaeda associates "sought in connection with the possible terrorist threats in the United States."
The information on Jdey's alleged role in the plane crash is contained in a memo on captured Canadian al-Qaeda operative Mohammed Mansour Jabarah. The Canadian government memo was written in May, 2002, and was based on information provided by a "source of unknown reliability."
Jabarah is a 22-year-old from St. Catharines who allegedly joined al-Qaeda and convinced Osama bin Laden to give him a terror assignment. He was tasked with overseeing a suicide-bombing operation in Southeast Asia, but was caught and has since pleaded guilty in the United States.
The report, which was sent to the Philippine National Police intelligence directorate, recounts what Jabarah said he was told about the U.S. plane crash by Abu Abdelrahman, a Saudi al-Qaeda member who was working for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
"In discussions, Abu Abdelrahman mentioned AL QAIDA was responsible for the assassination of Massoud, the Northern Alliance leader," the report says. "According to the source, Abu Abdelrahman added that the 12 November 2001 plane crash (btb American Airlines flight 587) in Queens, New York was not an accident as reported in the press but was actually an AL QAIDA operation.
"Abu Abdelrahman informed Jabarah that Farouk the Tunisian conducted a suicide mission on the aeroplane using a shoe bomb of the type used by Richard Reid .... 'Farouk the Tunisian' was identified from newspaper photographs as being identical to Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen who had resided in Montreal."
Jabarah was initially suspect of the claim about Jdey, but he later believed it after he saw the same information on a "mujahedin Web site," the report says.
Really. Let's stick to the obvious facts. Al Qaida never took credit for either flight 587 or flight 800. If it was Al Qaida that took down both flights, Bin Laden wouldn't have been publically silent. The terrorists would have been shouting it from the roof tops.
Except there were no passengers on board with a Canadian passport. Hmmmm.
Actually all the NTSB said on the day of the crash was that they had no evidence it was terrorism, and that was in direct response to a reporter's question. No jumping up and down, no saying it was or wasn't anything, just truthfully answering a stupidly timed question.
Sure, the bolts on the tail just suddenly came loose, just like a spark burned through the fuel tank and caused an explosion.
They didn't claim EgyptAir990 either -- not publicly. But the government officials knew. Clinton knew.
You mean the tail section didn't just fall off all by itself?
I always thought that one of the MO's of Al-Queda was not to acknowledge their hand behind any specific operation, especially immediately after it happens. I do not believe they have ever came right out and said "Yep , it was us" in regard to 9-11. The Bin Laden videos of late 2001 make references to it and you can surmise what they mean, but never a clear "I did it" press release. Splinter groups out to get free PR always take credit like the Russian planes and the Palestinian group with 9-11.
Yep, and I was expecting the same thing to happen regarding the Russian jets, but it seems the Russian government has chosen honesty. Or at least they think they would have been fooling no one since they crashed three minutes apart.
nah, the engines just fell off by themselves ... happens all the time ... [/sarcasm]
Pretty easy to tell. Check the flight manifest.
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I don't remember about the Cole or the embassies, but there was a videotape of Osama claiming responsibility for 9-11 all over the television not long afterward (a couple of months or so).
That is one of the regrettable fallouts of governments covering up terrorist attacks as accidents.
Many terrorist groups want notoriety for their actions. Thus, if a government covers up an act (singular acts called accidents, bad fuel, broken fuel line, cross winds from another plane, etc.), it emboldens those terrorist groups to commit bigger and more expansive acts that are too big to be covered up and classified as accidents.
Flight 800 might have been explaned away as an accident. Was it terrorist or accident? We need the truth.
Flight 587 might have been explaned away as an accident. Was it terrorist or accident? We need the truth.
One plane hitting one of the Twin Towers might have been explained away as an accident. Two planes, much more difficult to explain away. Three planes, impossible to explain away.
There were 30 odd witnesses to an explosion. The single thing that makes it a possibility though (for me) is that vertical stabilizers simply don't separate from airplanes in flight. It would be like your nose separating from your face in a stiff breeze.
Actually, he wasn't claiming responsibility.
He was just applauding the actions.
I find it amazing that all the eyewitnesses on the ground who reported seeing a small explosion by the right wing of the plane were never heard from again.
I've smelled "terrorist" on this since day one.
Faulty rudder my arse.
Agreed. However, a lot of people here seem to think that every plane crash is caused by terrorism or the USN.
Al Quaeda knocked off a plane load of Hispanic people because they can disguise themselves as such.... Three middle-eastern men escaped a ship in Texas a couple of years ago and hid out in a motel in Waco. Everyone thought they were just quiet Mexicans - even the Mexican maid.
I never believed either of them were accidents
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