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Not Out Of Africa But Regional Continuity
The Bradshaw Foundation ^ | Alan Thorne

Posted on 12/16/2005 11:03:02 AM PST by blam

Not Out of Africa but regional continuity

A challenging idea about Human Evolution by Alan Thorne

Mungo Lady

Mungo Lady was delivered to Alan Thorne in a small cheap suitcase in 1968 when he was 28 years old. Her burned and shattered bones were embedded in six blocks of calcified sand. The field researchers who dug her up in a parched no-man's-land in southeastern Australia suspected that shewas tens of thousands of years old.

600 Bone Chips

Almost every day for the next six months, he painstakingly freed her remains from the sand with a dental drill, prizing out more than 600 bone chips, each no larger than a thumbnail. He washed them carefully with acetic acid, sealed them with a preservative, and pieced them together into a recognisable skeleton. Looking closely at skull fragments, bits of arm bone, and a hint of pelvis, he became convinced that two things were true. First, the bones were human, Homo sapiens for sure, and they had held together a young woman. As he assembled this "monster three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle," Thorne, then a lecturer in the department of anatomy at the University of Sydney, began asking himself whose bones they might actually have been. He had no idea that many years later, the answer to that question would rock the world of anthropology.

Close up of skull fragments

Important and powerful

Something else about this woman became clear early on she had been important and powerful. The pattern of burn marks on her bones showed that after she died, her family burned the corpse, then smashed the bones. Later they added more fuel and burned the bones a second time. This was an unusual ritual. Ancient Aboriginal women were typically buried without fuss. Thorne wondered if her descendants had tried to ensure that she did not return to haunt them. As hours and days and months passed, he found himself thinking of her as a living, breathing person who'd spent her life encamped on the shores of Lake Mungo, in New South Wales. If this Mungo Lady turned out to be as ancient as field researchers thought, she would be the oldest human fossil ever found in Australia.

Skull bones as delicate as an emu's eggshell

In 1968 most anthropologists thought that they had a grip on human evolution. Big-browed, thick-skulled humanoids had descended from walking apes. These hulking creatures were eventually replaced by the more advanced, fine boned humans of our species Homo sapiens. Throughout Australia, anthropologists had found only big-browed, and thick-skulled fossils.

That made Mungo Lady a puzzle. Lab analysis of her remains suggested she was 25,000 years old, but her skull bones were as delicate as an emu's eggshell. Thorne began to realise that she might be telling him a different story than the one he'd read in textbooks. Was it possible that the delicate, fine-boned people had reached Australia before the big-brows?

Photograph of Professor Joseph B. Birdsell and adult male Barrinean native, near lake Barrine

Out of Africa

That was an exotic thought, and now, many years later, it is fuelling the debate within anthropology over a single huge question: Where did Homo sapiens come from? Most researchers accept a theory referred to as "Out of Africa." It holds that numerous species of hominids beginning with Homo erectus began migrating out of Africa almost 2 million years ago and evolved into several species. Then a new species called Homo sapiens evolved in Africa and migrated between 100,000 and120,000 years ago to Europe, Asia, and Australia, consigning all the earlier hominids it encountered to extinction.

Regional Continuity

Thorne preaches a revolutionary view called Regional Continuity. He believes that the species his opponents insist on calling Homo erectus was in fact Homo sapiens, and that they migrated out of Africa almost 2 million years ago and dispersed throughout Europe and Asia. As he sees it, there was no later migration and replacement "Only one species of human has ever left Africa, and that is us"

Toumai could have spread from Chad to China

Why does this matter? Because if Thorne and his camp are right, much of what we think we know about human evolution is wrong. In the world according to Thorne, the human family tree is not divided into discrete species such as Homo erectus, Homo antecessor, Homo heidelbergensis, and Homo neanderthalensis. They are all Homo sapiens. Thorne agrees, from the outside all these hominids look different from each other, but so do humans today a Korean, a Nigerian, and a Dane hardly resemble each other. Our ancestors displayed great variety, but they were similar in the only way that mattered: They were the same species, which meant they could have sex with each other and produce fertile offspring.

Mungo Man

Mungo Lady started Thorne down the road to Regional Continuity. Six years after he reassembled her, Thorne and three assistants unearthed another small-boned skeleton only 1,600 feet from where she had been found. At burial, this body had been laid on its right side, knees bent, and arms tucked between its legs in a normal sleeping position. Certain features the skull, the shape of the pelvis, and the length of the long bones told Thorne he was looking at Mungo Man, which thrilled him. As a general rule, female skeletons are more delicate than male ones, so doubts about the uniqueness of Mungo Lady's delicate bones would be quashed by having an equally delicate male counterpart to study.

1968 specimen age dated at 30,000

Thorne's colleagues took their best guess at this specimen's age, as they had with Mungo Lady in 1968, based on radio-carbon dating and analysis of stratigraphy. They dated him to 30,000 years ago. As the oldest humans ever found in Australia, the finds were considered so important that the government declared the sandy, bone-dry crater that was once Lake Mungo a national park in order to protect the site.

When had they arrived in Australia?

To Thorne's mind the presence of two such unusual skeletons suggested that the peopling of the Pacific was a richer, more complex process than anyone had ever imagined. Anthropologists had long assumed that the first Homo sapiens to reach Australia were fishermen who left Indonesia and got blown off course, ending up on the new continent. Thorne began to wonder whether the first journey from Indonesia to Australia was not an accident but an adventure, undertaken with confidence by intelligent, mobile people. Mungo Lady and Mungo Man closely resembled skeletons of people living in China at the same time. Had these people migrated in boats to Australia? Had there been successive waves of immigration by different peoples over tens of thousands of years? To imagine such things, Thorne had to abandon familiar notions of early man as a blundering primitive. He had already begun to do so. In the months he'd spent piecing together those braincases, he had begun to think of them as his elders, worthy of respect, capable of thought and imagination. That supposition was not an outrageous one for an Australian anthropologist to make.

Were they from Java and China?

From childhood Thorne had grown up on a continent that was home to one of Earth's oldest continuous cultures. From where he stood, the ways of Mungo Man and Mungo Lady were not so different from those of modem Aborigines. He could easily picture two different tribes settling near Lake Mungo, one from nearby Java, another perhaps with roots in China. And once the two parties were encamped around the lake, it was not hard to imagine them crossbreeding.

Neanderthals are a European problem

Those who believe in Regional Continuity tend to have a view of sexuality that is more generous and more inclusive than that of the Out-of-Africa proponents. In the latter view, Homo sapiens led a kind of search-and-replace mission as they spread around the planet; these researchers believe that members of the new species would not have been able to successfully reproduce with members of earlier species, no matter how hard they tried. Thorne thinks that's nonsense. European Scientists have a big problem, namely Neanderthals. Thorne's opponents say that Cro-Magnons humans identical to us who lived during the Ice Age simply replaced Neanderthals with no intermingling. Thorne believes that intermingling did take place.

1970 speculation

In the early 1970s these ideas were pure speculation. Thorne had no proof of anything. The bones had told him what they could and then lapsed into silence. So he tucked them away and went on with his career. Three decades later, the bones spoke again.

1997 mitochondrial DNA

In 1997 Thorne finally got the tool he needed to explore Mungo Lady and Man further. European scientists reported that they had successfully extracted fragments of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) from the remains of Neanderthal skeletons unearthed in Germany, Croatia, and Russia. This was stunning science, the Neanderthals had died out 35,000 years ago, and yet researchers had been able to harvest genetic matter from their bones as if they'd expired yesterday.

All living humans had their roots in Africa

It was the beginning of a revolution in paleoanthropology. Geneticists were hooking up with bone men everywhere. They were focusing on mtDNA because the mitochondria, which lie outside the nucleus, are easier to study in a human cell there are only 37 mitochondrial genes compared with 100,000 genes found in the nucleusóand because it is the only DNA anyone has been able to isolate and interpret in ancient fossils. For reasons not yet understood mtDNA survives the ravages of time better than nuclear DNA. And it has another interesting attribute: It's inherited only through the maternal line. Scientists seized upon this characteristic to try to build genetic family trees. Almost two years ago, geneticists working in Sweden and Germany reported studying the mtDNA of 53 living people from around the world. Within this small sample, they found that Africans shared a characteristic sequence of mtDNA, and that everyone else carried at least some portion of that sequence in their cells. The research suggests that all living humans had their roots in Africa. But Thorne doesn't put much stock in this report. He thinks the conclusions are questionable because samples taken in Africa today could be from people whose ancestors were not African.

New tests ordered

When the first Neanderthal studies were published in 1997, Thorne had retired but at the request of the Aboriginal council, he still safeguarded the Mungo fossils. Because three more sophisticated dating technologies were now available, he ordered new tests on 13 of the individuals in his care, and the results gave him a shock.

Mungo Man was 60,000 years old

The ages came back first. Using the new technologies, his team found that the small-boned Mungo Lady and Mungo Man were actually 60,000 years old twice as old as anyone had guessed. Thorne saw these dates as a crushing blow to the Out-of-Africa theorists. No matter what his opponents said, there wasn't enough time on their 120,000 year clock for Homo sapiens to leave Africa, dash up to China, evolve from rugged Africans into small-framed Asians, invent boats, sail to Australia, march to the interior, get sick, and die. How much simpler everyone's life would be, he thought, if anthropologists could agree that some of the players in this drama had reached China 1.5 million years ago and continued to evolve there

mtDNA of same 13 individuals

After the dating, Gregory Adcock, a doctoral student in genetics at Australian National University, decided to check all 13 fossils for mtDNA. But first he set up stringent procedures to avoid contaminating the specimens and he alone handled the specimens. Once he'd perfected handling techniques, he drilled into each fossil and took a sample from the bone's interior, where no one could ever have touched it. Of more than 60 samples he analysed he reported ten of the 13 had yielded DNA.

His mtDNA signature was unique

The results were nothing less than remarkable: Among the 10 successful extractions was the world's oldest known human DNA plucked from none other than Mungo Man. (No DNA was recovered from Mungo Lady, perhaps because she had been cremated.) Mungo Man also appeared to mock the findings of previous scientists: His mtDNA signature did not match anyone's, living or fossil, on Earth. There was no evidence that he was genetically related to ancient Africans.

Cat amongst the pigeons

Adcock, Thorne, and five other researchers published the findings in January 2001. What followed was intense disagreement amongst scientists because as the people at Mungo were totally modern looking they were expected to carry the DNA we have, but they didn't.

Chris Stringer

Chris Stringer, head of human origins at the Natural History Museum in London, a staunch advocate of the Out-of-Africa model had a completely different interpretation of the findings. He said it was unlikely that 10 of the 13 skeletons had yielded mtDNA. This was an unprecedented success rate, so he believed that there must have been contamination of the samples. Then he said that mtDNA lines died out all the time which is partly true: Twenty-five to 30 percent of mankind's mtDNA has been lost over the past million years when women gave birth to boys or didn't reproduce at all.

Modem Aborigines didn't inherit Mungo Man's mtDNA

Thorne concedes that mtDNA has evolved greatly over time, and all scientists working in this area have to be cautious. But as long as everyone is using mtDNA analysis as a basis for speculation he asks why his work is regarded with such suspicion. Mungo Man and his alternative complement of genes were alive enough to make it to Australia and contribute to the peopling of a continent. Modem Aborigines didn't inherit Mungo Man's mtDNA, but they have certainly inherited the characteristics of his skull.

Homo sapiens who left Africa 100,000 years ago would have reached Australia 60,000 years ago

Stringer, for his part, maintains that the out-of-Africa model could account for a settlement in southern Australia 60,000 years ago. Africans, he says, would have had to travel only one mile toward Australia each year for 10,000 years to make that possible. In other words, the Homo sapiens who left Africa 100,000 years ago would have reached Indonesia with plenty of time to sail to Australia.

Darwin himself dismissed species as a term that is "arbitrarily given, for the sake of convenience"

In New York, lan Tattersall, curator of anthropology at the American Museum of Natural History, argues that Neanderthals were so obviously a separate species that Homo sapiens could not have bred with them. Thorne says his lifelong study of animals has taught him otherwise. In captivity, for example, jaguars have mated with leopards and pumas and produced fertile female offspringóalthough all three animals supposedly belong to different species. Polar bears and brown bears, wolves and coyotes, dromedaries and Bactrian camels also cross-mate. Darwin himself dismissed species as a term that is "arbitrarily given, for the sake of convenience."

Re-testing their Mungo Man in rival laboratories

In recent months Thorne and his team have examined every human fossil they could lay their hands on. They're re-testing their Mungo Man work, hoping to confirm the findings and fill in some of the remaining gaps in the fossilised man's mtDNA profile. To satisfy their critics, they are allowing three rival laboratories to analyse Mungo Man extractions. Results will be available by the end of this year.

Regional Continuity is the simpler theory

Thorne points out that Regional Continuity is by far the simpler theory and can much more comfortably account for all the complicated twists and turns in the genetic evidence of human evolution now coming to light. "It argues that what is going on today is what has been going on for 2 million years, that the processes we see today are what have been going on in human populations for a very long time. You don't need a new species that has to extinguish all the other populations in the world. This is why Out-of-Africa is the impossible, and Regional Continuity is not only not improbable but the answer and the truth."

Bradshaw Foundation comments

Dr Alan Thorne's theory of Regional Continuity raises some interesting questions concerning the evolution of Homo sapiens.

1. Most scientists generally accept that 60,000 BP is the time of the first occupation of Australia. If Mungo Man is 60,000 years old this would mean that he is a member of the first people that migrated by boat to Australasia from Asia, across the Wallace Line.

2. The Foundation suggests to Dr Thorne that the mtDNA of the Tasmanian Barrinean skeletons should be tested. The test might show that the Tasmanian Barrinean's mtDNA might match Mungo Man's.

3. The tests mentioned above have been completed and the 60,000 BP date is wrong. The date for the Mungo Man is now established as 42,000 BP.

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1 posted on 12/16/2005 11:03:06 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

We've had numerous 'out-of-Africa' articles recently. Here's an alternative.

2 posted on 12/16/2005 11:04:42 AM PST by blam
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; asp1; ...
Thanks Blam! You know what I like. ;')

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
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3 posted on 12/16/2005 11:15:49 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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Good stuff ===> Placemarker <===
4 posted on 12/16/2005 11:25:09 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: blam

I'm surprised no one has demagogued one of the key premises of "Out Of Africa" here, because in the wrong hands, the notion that those who did migrate were of greater intelligence and more adaptable, has an ugly flip side. And, that would be that those who did not migrate would of necessity be of lesser intelligence ... modern-day Africans.

Sounds quite racist, put into these terms, doesn't it?

5 posted on 12/16/2005 11:26:28 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry; SunkenCiv
"Sounds quite racist, put into these terms, doesn't it?"

The GGG group have had very few threads pulled and it is primarly because we leave those things 'un-said.'

6 posted on 12/16/2005 11:40:28 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

"The GGG group have had very few threads pulled and it is primarly because we leave those things 'un-said.'"

It is just surprising to me, that "Out Of Africa" has been so widely accepted, due to this implication. Beyond that, I'll leave it alone.

7 posted on 12/16/2005 11:45:54 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Seems to me that migration would be the product of competition for resources more than anything else..
Those who stayed had the resources, those who left went in search of their own..
Moving to a new, "uninhabited" area meant a reduced ( or non-existant ) need to compete for resources..
This alone would be an incentive for migration..
8 posted on 12/16/2005 1:00:29 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

"This alone would be an incentive for migration."

Could be plausible, but that is not what is posited in "Out Of Africa."

9 posted on 12/16/2005 1:02:13 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
European Scientists have a big problem, namely Neanderthals. Thorne's opponents say that Cro-Magnons humans identical to us who lived during the Ice Age simply replaced Neanderthals with no intermingling. Thorne believes that intermingling did take place.


Whew. For a few minutes, I was afraid I was going to have to abandon my newfound identity as a Neanderthal.

10 posted on 12/16/2005 1:06:14 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: RegulatorCountry; blam

Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother, the best explanation for the current situation would not deal with intelligence, but rather with the reproductive success of Eve, her daughters, granddaughters, great-granddaughters, etc.

This can be explained by their being more alluring and available than their female contemporaries, thus able to attract men able to father a large number of daughters by them and to provide the necessary alimony and child support.

The Bodacious African Slut Theory hypothesizes that we are all descended from a long line of the most horny and good-looking women.

11 posted on 12/16/2005 1:06:24 PM PST by Lessismore
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To: RegulatorCountry; blam
Link to an article: For anyone interested...

Origins of Modern Humans: Multiregional or Out of Africa? By Donald Johanson

Just reading through this article and taking into account the Toba eruption, and subsequent re-establishment of humankind, I can see possibilities of such an event and the resulting reduction/isolation of small populations resulting in drastic changes to society and behaviour..
Likewise, the "opportunities" for extended periods of introspection/contemplation concerning abstract concepts like "the meaning of life".. ( seriously.. the whole world goes dark and cold for 6 years, you're sitting in a cave trying to figure out how to keep warm by making your fire pit more efficient, and why this happened to you, of all people.. )
Resulting in use of art and symbolism, personal adornment, etc..
Again, more personal time to create specialized tools that allow more efficient utilization of time spent outdoors, ( in the cold ) gathering food.. ( find food, kill it / gather it, get back inside where the fire / warmth is.. )

Then there is the problem of inbreeding within small, close communities.. ( need for "trade" among communities includes women... new blood needed.. As well as trading locally available materials, or even ideas for survival.. )
Drastic changes in food resources, and the need to move to new areas to access them.. ( fishing becomes more common.. moving to seashore areas.. )

None of this seems to indicate any actual change in intellectual capacity however.. ( at least as I understood it..)
It seems to indicate a change in behaviour, which may have been caused by any number of influences, but from what I have read, the intellectual capacity was there for tens of thousands of years, then a sudden change is observed...
That indicates, at least to me, an outside influence..
Not so much a change in intellect, but in attitude..

Evidence is, man had the capacity for thought, but until something like Toba happened, intelligence was not considered as a desirable trait..
With survival suddenly on the line, ideas became a positive ( and necessary ) tool for survival..
Creativity and imagination became more than just an amusement..

Enough rambling thought for now..
Just my two cents..

12 posted on 12/16/2005 3:26:00 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Lessismore
Utter nonsense! All enlightened people know that we are aliens. This planet was colonized by extraterrestials looking to preserve their race by finding a habitable planet in the universe to support their kind. Do you really think that humans descended from the apes on this planet? Surely not. Nope, we are visited from time to time, and some of us are abducted to test to see how we are doing here. Pretty simple when you think it through. Some proof lies with all ancient civilizations that left clues to the 'gods' in their lives. How do you think religions got started?
13 posted on 12/16/2005 3:34:20 PM PST by plainspeaker (How many times will this dead horse be beaten?)
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To: blam
Some folks have long doubted the so called evidence for the out-of-Africa theory.

They argue that the greater age of finds in Africa are not proof of older populations. The finds are the results of the site specific, more favorable, geographical, and environmental, conditions, for finds to survive, and then to be found.

Hot and very dry conditions yield more surviving organic materials, and better, finds, than similar materials existing for the same, or some other span of time, in less favorable conditions, such as warm and wet.

The distribution of the finds possible world wide is going to favor the places where materials will survive best, and longest.

That means that the ancient populations distributions cannot be accurately tied to individual finds in a specific time context.

I'm not putting down the out-of-Africa model, I could just never get past the sample distribution time problem.

Even though the sample/data base for very ancient materials remains relatively thin, compared to more avaliable, more modern, populations, it is important to remember that this data base is now the largest and most detailed that has ever existed up till now in history.

Truth is all I seek, no matter where it leads.

I just doubt it leads out of Africa, at the moment.
14 posted on 12/16/2005 3:59:39 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Drammach
"Enough rambling thought for now.. Just my two cents.."


My thoughts are that the only survivors would have been in the warmer areas on the earth...all others probably would have died.

15 posted on 12/16/2005 4:06:17 PM PST by blam
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To: porkchops 4 mahound
"Hot and very dry conditions yield more surviving organic materials, and better, finds, than similar materials existing for the same, or some other span of time, in less favorable conditions, such as warm and wet."

That's one of my complaints too.

The soil is so acidic around here that people buried in cemeteries in the mid-1800's are no longer there...there's nothing underground above their gravestones and the gravestones themselves are etched away to almost nothing. Not a good area to go looking for fossils here.

16 posted on 12/16/2005 4:14:16 PM PST by blam
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To: Drammach

"With survival suddenly on the line, ideas became a positive ( and necessary ) tool for survival."

Famine has propelled many an exodus and diaspora, even in relatively recent history. The Irish spring to mind.

I've seen self-selection, by virtue of willingness to migrate, put forth as an explanation for a number of things over the years. Take, for instance, the supposition of a more dynamic, adventurous, inventive and productive society in the United States, in comparison to "old" Europe. But, much of this can be explained, in my opinion, by a form of (classical) liberal governance that encouraged dynamism and inventiveness, rather than anything inherent in the people themselves.

17 posted on 12/16/2005 4:32:26 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: trisham

Whew. That was close. ;')

18 posted on 12/16/2005 10:18:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: plainspeaker
Utter nonsense! All enlightened people know that we are aliens.

A propensity to flat feet, need for sunglasses, and especially sunburn, among other anomolies, all mitigate to us originating under a far friedlier sun, and on lower gravity planet.

Ship wrecked.

19 posted on 12/17/2005 12:35:52 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Lessismore
"Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother..."

Is it?

Fathers can be influential too

Mitochondrial DNA recombines

Linkage disequilibrium and recombination in hominid mitochondrial DNA

Still apparently much debated, many articles online.

20 posted on 12/17/2005 12:46:59 AM PST by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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