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Posted on 02/03/2006 8:53:24 AM PST by Mia T
'HIATUS' FOR HILLARY?
This is HARDBALL on MSNBC.
[NOTE: My comments in blue.]
MATTHEWS: We're back with Anne Kornblut of "The New York Times" and Dana Milbank of "The Washington Post." Let's talk about Gotham's candidates for president.
First, Rudolph Giuliani, the pro-choice, pro-gay rights, former mayor spent today, or the day in Orlando speaking to a conference of Evangelicals.
Dana, he's up to it, isn't he? This is below the radar. This is Rudy campaigning for president in the south.
MILBANK: This is about as convincing as Jerry Falwell at the gay pride parade.
MATTHEWS: You don't buy this?
MILBANK: Well, he can try to do it. But, look, he faces an awful uphill battle in winning over the typical Republican voter in a primary. Now, if the election was fought on national security, he is fine. But he's never going to convince them that he is one of them, that he is a religious conservative.
KORNBLUT: Right and not only that, but he's going to be in a death struggle with John McCain for the exact same constituency.
MATTHEWS: Let me tell you something. I'll say it here a thousand time. Watch Rudolph Giuliani. Watch him. Security is the issue in this country. Whoever is the next president is going to be seen as more on the ball than even this president on security and terrorism. This country is not going sort on terrorism. We are going to get smarter on it is my hunch.
And Rudy is the guy to do it. And he can be an SOB in many ways. But this country may really want an SOB, a really tough cop as the next president. So watch Rudy, I'm saying it.
Now here is Hillary Clinton, that other New Yorker in the subway series. A new Gallup poll just came out. "USA TODAY" Gallup poll, it shows that 16 percent say that they'll definitely vote for Hillary right now, 32 percent say they might vote for her. But here's the dagger in the back. Fifty-one percent say they would definitely not vote for Hillary Clinton already the campaign hasn't begun.
Now here is Hillary Clinton, that other New Yorker in the subway series. A new Gallup poll just came out. "USA TODAY" Gallup poll, it shows that 16 percent say that they'll definitely vote for Hillary right now, 32 percent say they might vote for her.
But here's the dagger in the back. Fifty-one percent say they would definitely not vote for Hillary Clinton already the campaign hasn't begun.
KORNBLUT: I mean, this is exactly what Democrats are worried about is that already people have made up their minds. I would argue, I guess, that it is awfully early. We all know how early it is to be talking about this.
KORNBLUT: Definitely? What does definitely mean? [Definitely means DEFINITELY.] You know, you would have to see how is the question exactly phrased, all that stuff. It is early. [Actually Anne, it is late. In fact, it is too late. The country knows exactly who this woman is, Anne.]
MATTHEWS: But there's lot of tooth behind that. If somebody tells a pollster, I've already made up my mind definitely.
KORNBLUT: And, look, I know more Democrats who believe this though than Republicans. A lot of Republicans say that this is a deceptive number, that once she gets out there with all of her money running against who, Giuliani or McCain, the numbers may not be that weak. [She has 100% name recognition, Anne. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Even when the sow isn't hillary.]
MATTHEWS: How much of that is don't throw me in that briar patch, Dana? We're so afraid of Hillary. Please don't run her against us. She'll kill us.
MILBANK: Anne is right that these polls are completely useless because you don't know what the alternative is. But the fact is that she... [Earth to Dana: 51% would vote for their mother-in-law before they would vote for HER.]
MATTHEWS: OK. McCain against Hillary. Who wins?
MILBANK: Well, that's fine. If you can tell me that's how it is going to turn out. But we don't know.
MATTHEWS: Well, let me ask you about these definite numbers in a poll. Do you believe the definite? Do you believe somebody right in 2006 knows how they are going to vote in 2008?
MILBANK: I think they definitely think that's what they are going to do right now, but they have no idea what they are going to be doing in a couple years. And Hillary is going to have the opposite problem of Rudy. And that is she's absolutely fine with her base if she decides to run. But she is seemingly incapable of crossing over.
MATTHEWS: The poll was taken over the week right through Sunday, the Gallup poll. And the Gallup poll is, of course, the most prestigious poll there is right now and has been for years.
Dana, do you think she's paying the price for her plantation remark last week?
MILBANK: Probably not. Because, once again, plays very well the base. The people who were objecting to it were never going to support her in the first case. And I really think the only thing that this is right now is do people recognize her name. [What is it you don't understand, here? We recognize her name, yes. And we abhor the person attached to that name. Get it?]
KORNBLUT: And I would add to that. It's 51 percent say definitely not. Remember the margin that's we've been talking about in the last few presidential races, 51 percent is terrible, but all she would have to do is bump it by a few numbers, a few percentage points and be OK. [I can see why Pinch hired you. Your Alice-in-Wonderland illogic is quintessential New York Times. With 100% name recognition and roughly 10% corruption recognition (thanks in no small measure to your rag), missus clinton has only one way to go. And it isn't up.]
... Anyway, thank you Anne Kornblut of "The New York Times," Dana Milbank of "The Washington Post."
Join us again tomorrow night at 5:00 and 7:00 Eastern for more HARDBALL. Right now it is time for "THE ABRAM'S REPORT" with Dan.
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HARDBALL WITH CHRIS MATTHEWS
HILLARY'S EXPOSED LEFT FLANK 'SCARES THE HORSES' (VIDEO)
COPYRIGHT MIA T 2006
Is their a 'hate Clinton ping?' Can I get on?
I have a ping list which some might characterize that way. ;)
Let me know if you want on.
I couldn't decide if this was Hillery or not.
Mia T Bump.
not the one, but new ping
If, for whatever weird reason folks think she was, then we should all be be happy.
If she is that stupid to put together a text book case on why she can't handle the job, we should be donating to her campaign.
I seriously can't imagine any politician putting together a show that makes them look that bad.
If I was Hillary, I'd be looking to bash Geena Davis with a toaster for slander.
Hillary is the equivalent of Charles Rangel.....only less electable.
(the specs, not the pants or the socks)
by Mia T, 8.23.05
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thx maggie :)
I've never seen the show.My wife watched a couple of episodes and told me it was lousy.She's conservative like me, but she said that didn't influence her,it's just a lousy show.That was good enough for me.
FR IS the Hate Clinton Ping List...........
Isn't it odd that "24" with Kiefer Sutherland is going great guns and "Commanderette in Chef" wih his dad is going down the tubes?.........
thx. :) The show was about as subtle as a sledgehammer.
After the first episode, I wrote this:
"Reviews of "Commander-in-Chief" mislead; they suggest that this new ABC offering, this electuary of suds and psychologizing, is optional for missus clinton, that Rod Lurie's latest clinton agitprop is nothing more than the icing on missus clinton's inaugural cake.
The reviews miss the point of the show because they fail to identify missus clinton's problem in the first place...."
Is the son as openly left-wing nuts as the dad?
I don't know, but FReepers, I'm sure, can enlighten us......
indeed. thx :)
Put me on your ping list, please Mia. BTW your pal Sandy
Berger released a study today saying that Bush has
"broken" the US Military. As another poster pointed
out the only thing Sandy should be breaking is big rocks
into little rocks at Leavenworth.
Sonny -- I don't think hillary 'put together' the tv show! But yes, I believe it was aimed at 'a woman in the White House' idea. The Democrats and the media do have the mindset of -- if you hear it often enough it is the truth, ---- so if we see a woman President (on tv) often enough hollywood thinks we will accept 'hillary as president' because we see it every week. No big deal!!!!!
MiaT -- job well done and new faces join you every week - keep spreading the truth!!!
Great work once again, Mia T. It appears that Hillary's star is fading. She would be a disastrous first female president and would likely set back the entire gender for many a year.
Look like Emma Thompson after being stung on the nose by a couple of bees.
I just hate the fact that people act like she has some kind of ability.
Hollywood likes her, Hollywood also likes Michael Moore, and he isn't going to ever win office.
Commander in chief was lame, yea it was liberal, but so was west wing, and that show was still better.
I really wish people would take a chill pill and accept that a Clinton will never ever sit in the oval office ever again, under any circumstances.
- I wake up every morning at nine and grab for the morning paper. Then I look at the obituary page. If my name is not on it, I get up.
Would that the clintons were similarly inclined....
[M]issus clinton as a viable national candidate was always a mirage.19 Her presence on the national stage is maintained daily by all manner of device. Her favorites: the zipper-hoist, the throne, the complex question, the non-question and other sleights of hand, and, of course, the jackboot.
(THE REPORTS OF HER DEATH ARE GREATLY UNDERSTATED)
by Mia T, 12.05.05
for the birds (movie)
(THE INCOMPETENCE OF HILLARY CLINTON) (essay)
HILLARY FLUNKED D.C. BAR EXAM
"the smartest woman in the world" sought less competitive venue
HILLARY!?? WHAT IS THIS MORIBUND LOSER DOING IN THE POLITICAL ARENA, ANYWAY? (bill's bud explains)
KLEIN BOOK CAUSES HILLARY TO (oops!) CONFIRM "THE TRUTH ABOUT HILLARY"
CLINTON'S REACTION EXPOSES FASCISTIC MINDSET, TEXTBOOK CASE OF PARANOIA + MEGALOMANIA, AND A CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT IN BROADDRICK RAPE
1st Feminist Prez Impeached
(clinton, pushed by the "smartest woman in the world," managed to impeach himself)
THE ABSURDITY OF A COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF HILLARY
WHY HILLARY MUST NOT WIN. WHY HILLARY CANNOT WIN.
how the clintons are handling the hillary dud factor
REINVENTING HILLARY... AGAIN
(clinton machine dumps Geena Davis for Margaret Thatcher)
how the clintons are handling the hillary dud factor2
AN OPEN LETTER TO TIM ROBBINS, DAVID GEFFEN, CHRIS MATTHEWS, MAUREEN DOWD + JEANINE PIRRO
RE: a not-so-modest proposal concerning hillary clinton
(THE REPORTS OF HER DEATH ARE GREATLY UNDERSTATED)
HILLARY'S COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF PROBLEM
(see descriptor morphs)
HILLARY IN AVIARY
hillary clinton is a "CONGENITAL LIAR"
("I am not a crook")
retrograde feminist fraud positions herself as victim (again) in order to win White House
[FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU! FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME!]
NOTE THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN CLINTON REACTION TIME AND CONTENT TO THE TWO RAPE CHARGES
CATCHING THE CONSCIENCE OF THE KINGFISH
differential reaction to the two rape charges snares the clintons
the clinton-clinton-Broaddrick kind of rape, according to Susan Estrich
HEAR CHRIS MATTHEWS + MAUREEN DOWD DEVOUR HILLARY
COPYRIGHT MIA T 2006
Definitely. On both counts. ;)
I wish I could be as certain of that as you seem to be. But I'm not!!!!!
Being pc about 'hate' is just an extension on all the non-judgmental stuff that made possible the rise of these two despicable people. (Did you, in your wildest dreams, ever imagine that a pair of documented serial rapists would not be booted out forthwith once the Broaddrick rape was exposed?)
Personally, after what these two creatures have done to women, to our children, to our country, to the Constitution and to us all, if you want to hate them, that's fine with me.
As for hillary 'putting together' the show, recall that the show's head writer is a veteran of clinton campaigns and hillary's press office.