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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you for bringing this to a head. I applaud you!


551 posted on 04/21/2007 8:57:37 PM PDT by Maigrey (My tagline is roasting over an open fire, and global warming is nipping at your nose...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim—you are just SOOOOOO intolerant and not at all PC! (I love it.)


552 posted on 04/21/2007 8:57:39 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (THOMPSON/GINGRICH '08)
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To: Jet Jaguar; Peach

What did you try? Peach is complaining that minority opinions (and opinion makers) are being banished from the site. The truth is she is being allowed to continue to make provocative statements with impunity.

I am just noting the irony...


553 posted on 04/21/2007 8:58:08 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: skeeter

#537 should have been addressed to you.


554 posted on 04/21/2007 8:58:30 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

“If those were the most important conservatives, why didn’t Newt’s Contract with America mention one single sentence about abortion or guns?”

Weren’t you going to bed about an hour ago?

Anyway, if you remember, one of the things that swept the republicans into power in 1994 was that the assault weapons ban was passed just months before the election. Even clinton admits that.


555 posted on 04/21/2007 8:58:40 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Peach
Free Republic has melted down many times.

And is now irrelevant

And died to never be heard from again.

The predictions of it's demise are legion.

And all the good posters have been banned or left. (and they are now on other sites MUCH better than FR)

All Rudy supporters are being banned.

Just some of the things that have been said recently and over the years.

It’s a smelter. The dross rises to the top and is skimmed off.

556 posted on 04/21/2007 8:59:08 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: beancounter13

To tell the truth, if it’s Rudy vs Hillary, I may well vote for a 3rd party and pray that Rudy wins anyway.

If the Rudy supporters are correct, they won’t need my vote so I’ll be free to vote my conscience.

If they are wrong, they’ll look like fools.


557 posted on 04/21/2007 8:59:15 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Peach

The gun owners were enraged in 1994. The NRA wiped the floor with liberals. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban were huge issues, as was Hillary’s health care grab. Clinton told the Washington Times afterward, “We overreached.”

The CWC was part of the electoral victory, but not all of it.


558 posted on 04/21/2007 8:59:21 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: RabidBartender
If Hillary becomes president because Rudy Giuliani is the Republican nominee, it will be the liberal Republicans’ fault for not nominating someone who motivates the conservative base.

What a liberal mindset - always someone else's fault.
559 posted on 04/21/2007 8:59:32 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Jim Robinson
Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

My guess: Heck, no!

BUMP!

560 posted on 04/21/2007 8:59:38 PM PDT by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: Peach

Correction CWA. Contract with America. Not CWC.


561 posted on 04/21/2007 9:00:10 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: nctexan
If you feel 'attacked' then you better get back on your meds. You ain't sounding too stable lately.

First you complained that I attacked you. Then, when I point out that it was you first with the ad hominem attack, you complain again.

Around and around you go.... Are you Bi Polar, or just stupid?

562 posted on 04/21/2007 9:00:15 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Blackirish

“cringed when he implemented it.”
That states it better than I did.


563 posted on 04/21/2007 9:00:16 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Luke21

California has always been one of the most liberal states in the country....I grew up there. What passes and passed for conservative there would get a candidate laughed at in a state like Mississippi...... heck my very liberal friend from Illinois came to visit one time and we went to California, she was in shock when she left... what passes for a Republican there (that can get elected to higher office) is Arnie and I wouldn’t relish him for POTUS in a million years.


564 posted on 04/21/2007 9:00:30 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Peach

“Then I guess the Republican party isn’t conservative because Rudy is the clear frontrunner nationally among Republicans.”

You mistake - either willingly or through ignorance- name recognition polls with actual support for rudy and his positions.

Detailed polls have shown most republicans don’t know rudy’s real record, and that they’d have trouble with someone with his positions. That is the truth. And as demonstrated by what has happened to his support here as the truth came out, that will follow in the rest of the country.


565 posted on 04/21/2007 9:00:38 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Jim Robinson
They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government

My rabbi's wife was just talking today about how the Founding Fathers based our democracy on the assumption that we were a G-d fearing people.

566 posted on 04/21/2007 9:01:19 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Peach
Or law and order conservatives. Maybe he’s making socons feel at home, but since when are those the only conservatives?

Pull ease. If anything YOU and your friends were attempting to drive off the 'socons', IMO. Jims just taking his site back.

567 posted on 04/21/2007 9:01:31 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Williams
"fact that he did reform the NY crime situation and the budget in a total left wing climate are good signs."

Ya' know, that just don't wash, no mo'. You Rudy supporters have been getting away with that "Rudy brought crime down" stuff for too long. As a, then, resident of NY, I can tell you, it's just not true. You sound like the Clintons did about the economy, when, in fact, they inherited an already improving economy. Here is a graph showing that crime was already, quickly, on it's way down.

NYC is in red.


:O)

P

Run, FRED, run!

568 posted on 04/21/2007 9:01:37 PM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: truth_seeker

I had an interesting conversation with an airline seatmate last week, a John Howard-supporting Aussie police detective. He specializes in child exploitation cases, but is keenly interested in what’s happening to his country regarding the radical Islamic invasion. He told me he was sick to his core about how they sought to escape accountability.

A couple of interesting things came out of that conversation. One, he didn’t realize the US military was all-volunteer. The overseas media tends to omit that fact. Two, he was worried about appearing bigoted because of his views. I assured him that he had a lot of company, and that common-sense profiling in every other bit of police work was not considered to be bigoted.

And three, even with the things I mentioned above, he told me about many, many people around him who do get that a country’s survival against the malignancy that is radical Islam must not be lost during this accelerated political season.

For this reason, any democrat would be an unmitigated disaster. The stakes have never been higher. I believe that radical Islam notches up the danger presented by the Nazis because they are borderless. They share no common points with us. They are a tangental line with Western values. There are no common points.

I am a Fred supporter, and hope he gets the nomination. And while we’re talking about Ronaldus Magnus, let’s not forget that running off the cliff with all flags flying is what he recommended. And please, let’s also remember that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

If you think that Rudy would be the wrong choice, the primaries are the place to implement that opinion, and with as much energy as you can muster. I will not take part in a third party exercise that will escort Saul Alinsky’s most prominent protogee into the People’s House.

It is also prolife to ensure that the Western civilization does not fall to the death-dealers of terrorist Islam.

Eagles up!


569 posted on 04/21/2007 9:01:39 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: rlmorel
This is the suggestion of a creepy advertising type on FR who calls himself conservative:

LOL

570 posted on 04/21/2007 9:01:43 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Syncro

“and they are now on other sites MUCH better than FR”

What are the sites that are MUCH BETTER than fr?


571 posted on 04/21/2007 9:01:56 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Peach
Then I guess the Republican party isn’t conservative because Rudy is the clear frontrunner nationally among Republicans.

You're damned right the Republican Party isn't conservative. It's been hijacked by a bunch of thugs that think conservatives should bend over and take the continued abuse. Well peachy dear...WE ARE TAKING THE PARTY BACK. LIVE WITH IT. YOUR DAYS OF HIJACKING ARE COMING TO AN END.

572 posted on 04/21/2007 9:02:06 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rudy Doo-doo-onme?

No thanks.

This weeks Supreme Court judgement on PBA was fantastic. We would not have something like that with doo-doo-onme Giuliani nominating judges.


573 posted on 04/21/2007 9:02:59 PM PDT by A message (Liberalism does not breed survivors.)
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To: politicalwit

Is that a threat? What happened to nice discussions around here?


574 posted on 04/21/2007 9:03:08 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: flashbunny
Detailed polls have shown most republicans don’t know rudy’s real record, and that they’d have trouble with someone with his positions.

Not so. What many say is "I don't agree with him on some things but he's a proven leader." THAT'S the truth.

575 posted on 04/21/2007 9:03:10 PM PDT by veronica
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

I don’t. At least he dropped the ball now rather than in the 08 general elections.


576 posted on 04/21/2007 9:03:13 PM PDT by zendari
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To: flashbunny
Those are the disgruntled’s words.

They have to believe that for their self esteem...

577 posted on 04/21/2007 9:03:25 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: politicalwit

Good luck with all that


578 posted on 04/21/2007 9:03:33 PM PDT by woofie
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“I will NEVER vote for Rudy, or any other liberal/RINO!”
Read my lips.........
No new RINOS!!!!”

I will not vote for Rudy either, and do not believe he will win the nomination. I also believe that if by chance he did win the nomination, he would not beat the DEMS candidate no matter who it is! The MSM would make sure he didn’t win as they would have non-stop bad press to bring out on Rudy.


579 posted on 04/21/2007 9:03:44 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: garv

Did you live in California then? I did.


580 posted on 04/21/2007 9:04:06 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Peach
More dumb falsehoods.

>>>>>Then I guess the Republican party isn’t conservative because Rudy is the clear frontrunner nationally among Republicans.

This is far from over Peach. Just becasue you've chosen to jump on Rudy`s bandwagon at this early stage, doesn't mean he's gonna be the GOP nominee. I still doubt he can pull it off. The battle lines have been drawn on Free Republic. All the more reason you should retire from Free Republic. You're no conservative.

581 posted on 04/21/2007 9:04:14 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: mkjessup; veronica

In my opinion, the rudy people were looking for something to pick them up. They are tired of losing every argument here, tired of not being able to defend their candidate to conservatives, and afraid that if they keep losing it will catch on.

It looks like some of them were chosen to be “sacrificial lambs”, to say things to get banned so they might gain sympathy, or at least to go off and claim that conservatives can’t win the argument against them and so we banned them.

I don’t know how to explain attacking the honor of Jim Robinson, telling the pro-life conservatives here that they will be responsible for the death of babies if they don’t pick a pro-abortion candidate, or arguing that the Republican Party should be lead by a trained monkey so long as it means Hillary isn’t president.


582 posted on 04/21/2007 9:04:46 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jim Robinson
No, sir, I do not expect you to stop the fight against liberalism in any form.

Bring it on.

Don't let anyone fool any Conservative to believe that Rudy Guliani is the Candidate of Choice for the Republican Party.

If Conservatives want a different choice, then speak up NOW. Rudy Guliani, you DO NOT speak for me. You do NOT represent my Conservative values. I want a Presidential candidate that will preserve what Jim Robinson states:

"Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people".

"They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc."

"They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems."

No Socialist politcian will get one dime from my hard work, from my earnings and my money. I am not working to pay for someone else to live, I am working to take care of myself and my family. No Socialist politcian will ever take away my absolute knowledge for right and wrong with regard to my freedom and rights as an American Citizen, the Articles Of The Constitution Of The United States Of America GUARANTEE my FREEDOM from ANYONE dictating that a government can take away my freedom. Thank GOD for the United States Of America.

If you all think for one second that we are not fighting for our lives as FREE citizens of the United States Of America, you are sadly mis-informed.

Thank you Jim, for our forum to speak

The Liberal agenda is wrong, there is no question about that.

Do NOT support ANY candidate that boasts a "better life for all". Socialism, in any form, (that means you Rudy Guliani) CANNOT be in power.

583 posted on 04/21/2007 9:04:48 PM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: Jim Robinson

I can only pray that Fred runs. If it comes down to Hitlery and Rudy, I will be FORCED to vote the Repub ticket, but I will certainly be holding my nose when I pull that lever!


584 posted on 04/21/2007 9:04:51 PM PDT by Allosaurs_r_us (I can't use the cell phone in the car. I have to keep my hands free for making obscene gestures)
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To: Peach
And given his national standing in the polls, a lot of conservatives of all stripes feel the way I do.

In a three way race, with a conservative third party candidate, Hillary will win. The national polls don't tell you that, not that I would trust them anyway.

We’re not all treasonous liberals, no matter how many times management tries to frame our support as liberal or treasous.

I for one have never said that you or any Rudy supporter is a treasonous liberal.

585 posted on 04/21/2007 9:04:52 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: NRA2BFree

On another note. I have met with Duncan Hunter, and I agree with you that he is the ideal candidate to bring forth our values. He is a fine honorable man. However, unless something happens for him, it looks like our best viable alternative is Thompson/Hunter. I pray we will prevail.


586 posted on 04/21/2007 9:05:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: flashbunny

His numbers are pretty stagnant, too....between 25 and 35 percent...haven’t grown at all.


587 posted on 04/21/2007 9:05:08 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: beancounter13
If Americans are expected to stand behind a president they did not vote for (in theory at least), then why shouldn't we stand behind a nominee that not all of us supported.

This tells me that a president can be influenced by his advisors for SCOTUS picks, and I'd be very pleased to know Ted Olsen's influence was being heard. Sure would beat Hillary's den of thieves.

588 posted on 04/21/2007 9:05:18 PM PDT by Uncledave
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To: Reagan Man; Peach
This time around Jim`s not gonna stand for BS from you Rudy loving Republican leftwingers,

Btw, what happened to ALL your posts promoting Rudy Giuliani for POTUS, and ALL your posts trashing Ronald Reagan? Haven't seen any lately. Maybe you're scared Jim's working on you next.

Wow Reagan Man chill, your starting to sound like Stalin. You might want to read Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People."

589 posted on 04/21/2007 9:05:23 PM PDT by Maynerd
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To: Reagan Man
All the more reason you should retire from Free Republic. You're no conservative.

and I guess you are the arbiter for who is and is not conservative?

590 posted on 04/21/2007 9:05:53 PM PDT by woofie
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To: streetpreacher

When I type in quidnunc, I get “banned or suspended”. Same with Mia T. Are you sure you are using the search tool correctly?


591 posted on 04/21/2007 9:06:01 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: flashbunny

“sites that are MUCH BETTER than fr?”
None of course. I believe it was a reference to wideawakes.net. Looks to be a Republican site rather than a conservative site. You would recognize some of the nics.


592 posted on 04/21/2007 9:06:58 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: rottndog
I really think they don’t care. I think that their only requirement is to get elected, have their club win, and that they will do anything to get the majority vote. In that respect the Dems and the Pubbies are one and the same. Seems as though the Rinos are growing in numbers, deserting the cause. It’s pitiful!
593 posted on 04/21/2007 9:07:10 PM PDT by Eighth Square
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To: Maynerd

Thanks. I’m pretty stunned that we’re all supposed to march in lock step and support this narrow group of Republicans, most of whom haven’t announced their intention to run or can’t get out of single digits.


594 posted on 04/21/2007 9:07:28 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Petronski

Hey...it is the reason I became a conservative! Those damned liberals cannot bake worth a darn.


595 posted on 04/21/2007 9:07:37 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

I sure hope not.
596 posted on 04/21/2007 9:07:52 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: FreeReign

Do you think it will be a three-way race vs a two-way race?


597 posted on 04/21/2007 9:08:07 PM PDT by Peach
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To: SoCalPol
Rudy won’t be nominated so I say, enjoy W.A. Rudybots.

Most of the WA is in this thread mourning the loss of their fellow WA Freepers. It brings a little tear to my eye when they talk about how they will miss seeing the dear departed's wonderful meaningful posts...and then I remember that all they have to do is haul their butts back over to the WA board if they miss the dear departed posters posts so much.

598 posted on 04/21/2007 9:08:14 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Peach

“If socons were so concerned with abortion why did they spend most of last year complaining about spending (fiscal conservative issues) instead of abortion? It’s like they’re unappeasable.”

So you think social conservatives are unappeasable, cementing your GoP establishment view that socons are merely the blacks of the Dem Party. Let’s “give them cake”. Where else can they go?

Unfortunately for you and your establishment GOP view, Rudee is going to fall when Thompson enters the race...the estab crowd will follow in time...and the radicals and leftists contingent within the GOP who want abortion and no borders etc will be left alone with only a few NE Rinos congressmen to console them and their hopes.


599 posted on 04/21/2007 9:08:22 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: Reagan Man

That’s such BS I don’t have words for it.


600 posted on 04/21/2007 9:08:36 PM PDT by Peach
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