Skip to comments.Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to rule over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
Thank you for bringing this to a head. I applaud you!
Jim—you are just SOOOOOO intolerant and not at all PC! (I love it.)
What did you try? Peach is complaining that minority opinions (and opinion makers) are being banished from the site. The truth is she is being allowed to continue to make provocative statements with impunity.
I am just noting the irony...
#537 should have been addressed to you.
“If those were the most important conservatives, why didnt Newts Contract with America mention one single sentence about abortion or guns?”
Weren’t you going to bed about an hour ago?
Anyway, if you remember, one of the things that swept the republicans into power in 1994 was that the assault weapons ban was passed just months before the election. Even clinton admits that.
And is now irrelevant
And died to never be heard from again.
The predictions of it's demise are legion.
And all the good posters have been banned or left. (and they are now on other sites MUCH better than FR)
All Rudy supporters are being banned.
Just some of the things that have been said recently and over the years.
It’s a smelter. The dross rises to the top and is skimmed off.
To tell the truth, if it’s Rudy vs Hillary, I may well vote for a 3rd party and pray that Rudy wins anyway.
If the Rudy supporters are correct, they won’t need my vote so I’ll be free to vote my conscience.
If they are wrong, they’ll look like fools.
The gun owners were enraged in 1994. The NRA wiped the floor with liberals. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban were huge issues, as was Hillary’s health care grab. Clinton told the Washington Times afterward, “We overreached.”
The CWC was part of the electoral victory, but not all of it.
My guess: Heck, no!
Correction CWA. Contract with America. Not CWC.
First you complained that I attacked you. Then, when I point out that it was you first with the ad hominem attack, you complain again.
Around and around you go.... Are you Bi Polar, or just stupid?
“cringed when he implemented it.”
That states it better than I did.
California has always been one of the most liberal states in the country....I grew up there. What passes and passed for conservative there would get a candidate laughed at in a state like Mississippi...... heck my very liberal friend from Illinois came to visit one time and we went to California, she was in shock when she left... what passes for a Republican there (that can get elected to higher office) is Arnie and I wouldn’t relish him for POTUS in a million years.
“Then I guess the Republican party isnt conservative because Rudy is the clear frontrunner nationally among Republicans.”
You mistake - either willingly or through ignorance- name recognition polls with actual support for rudy and his positions.
Detailed polls have shown most republicans don’t know rudy’s real record, and that they’d have trouble with someone with his positions. That is the truth. And as demonstrated by what has happened to his support here as the truth came out, that will follow in the rest of the country.
My rabbi's wife was just talking today about how the Founding Fathers based our democracy on the assumption that we were a G-d fearing people.
Pull ease. If anything YOU and your friends were attempting to drive off the 'socons', IMO. Jims just taking his site back.
I had an interesting conversation with an airline seatmate last week, a John Howard-supporting Aussie police detective. He specializes in child exploitation cases, but is keenly interested in what’s happening to his country regarding the radical Islamic invasion. He told me he was sick to his core about how they sought to escape accountability.
A couple of interesting things came out of that conversation. One, he didn’t realize the US military was all-volunteer. The overseas media tends to omit that fact. Two, he was worried about appearing bigoted because of his views. I assured him that he had a lot of company, and that common-sense profiling in every other bit of police work was not considered to be bigoted.
And three, even with the things I mentioned above, he told me about many, many people around him who do get that a country’s survival against the malignancy that is radical Islam must not be lost during this accelerated political season.
For this reason, any democrat would be an unmitigated disaster. The stakes have never been higher. I believe that radical Islam notches up the danger presented by the Nazis because they are borderless. They share no common points with us. They are a tangental line with Western values. There are no common points.
I am a Fred supporter, and hope he gets the nomination. And while we’re talking about Ronaldus Magnus, let’s not forget that running off the cliff with all flags flying is what he recommended. And please, let’s also remember that the perfect is the enemy of the good.
If you think that Rudy would be the wrong choice, the primaries are the place to implement that opinion, and with as much energy as you can muster. I will not take part in a third party exercise that will escort Saul Alinsky’s most prominent protogee into the People’s House.
It is also prolife to ensure that the Western civilization does not fall to the death-dealers of terrorist Islam.
“and they are now on other sites MUCH better than FR”
What are the sites that are MUCH BETTER than fr?
You're damned right the Republican Party isn't conservative. It's been hijacked by a bunch of thugs that think conservatives should bend over and take the continued abuse. Well peachy dear...WE ARE TAKING THE PARTY BACK. LIVE WITH IT. YOUR DAYS OF HIJACKING ARE COMING TO AN END.
This weeks Supreme Court judgement on PBA was fantastic. We would not have something like that with doo-doo-onme Giuliani nominating judges.
Is that a threat? What happened to nice discussions around here?
Not so. What many say is "I don't agree with him on some things but he's a proven leader." THAT'S the truth.
I don’t. At least he dropped the ball now rather than in the 08 general elections.
They have to believe that for their self esteem...
Good luck with all that
I will NEVER vote for Rudy, or any other liberal/RINO!
Read my lips.........
No new RINOS!!!!”
I will not vote for Rudy either, and do not believe he will win the nomination. I also believe that if by chance he did win the nomination, he would not beat the DEMS candidate no matter who it is! The MSM would make sure he didn’t win as they would have non-stop bad press to bring out on Rudy.
Did you live in California then? I did.
>>>>>Then I guess the Republican party isnt conservative because Rudy is the clear frontrunner nationally among Republicans.
This is far from over Peach. Just becasue you've chosen to jump on Rudy`s bandwagon at this early stage, doesn't mean he's gonna be the GOP nominee. I still doubt he can pull it off. The battle lines have been drawn on Free Republic. All the more reason you should retire from Free Republic. You're no conservative.
In my opinion, the rudy people were looking for something to pick them up. They are tired of losing every argument here, tired of not being able to defend their candidate to conservatives, and afraid that if they keep losing it will catch on.
It looks like some of them were chosen to be “sacrificial lambs”, to say things to get banned so they might gain sympathy, or at least to go off and claim that conservatives can’t win the argument against them and so we banned them.
I don’t know how to explain attacking the honor of Jim Robinson, telling the pro-life conservatives here that they will be responsible for the death of babies if they don’t pick a pro-abortion candidate, or arguing that the Republican Party should be lead by a trained monkey so long as it means Hillary isn’t president.
Bring it on.
Don't let anyone fool any Conservative to believe that Rudy Guliani is the Candidate of Choice for the Republican Party.
If Conservatives want a different choice, then speak up NOW. Rudy Guliani, you DO NOT speak for me. You do NOT represent my Conservative values. I want a Presidential candidate that will preserve what Jim Robinson states:
"Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people".
"They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to rule over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc."
"They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems."
No Socialist politcian will get one dime from my hard work, from my earnings and my money. I am not working to pay for someone else to live, I am working to take care of myself and my family. No Socialist politcian will ever take away my absolute knowledge for right and wrong with regard to my freedom and rights as an American Citizen, the Articles Of The Constitution Of The United States Of America GUARANTEE my FREEDOM from ANYONE dictating that a government can take away my freedom. Thank GOD for the United States Of America.
If you all think for one second that we are not fighting for our lives as FREE citizens of the United States Of America, you are sadly mis-informed.
Thank you Jim, for our forum to speak
The Liberal agenda is wrong, there is no question about that.
Do NOT support ANY candidate that boasts a "better life for all". Socialism, in any form, (that means you Rudy Guliani) CANNOT be in power.
I can only pray that Fred runs. If it comes down to Hitlery and Rudy, I will be FORCED to vote the Repub ticket, but I will certainly be holding my nose when I pull that lever!
In a three way race, with a conservative third party candidate, Hillary will win. The national polls don't tell you that, not that I would trust them anyway.
Were not all treasonous liberals, no matter how many times management tries to frame our support as liberal or treasous.
I for one have never said that you or any Rudy supporter is a treasonous liberal.
On another note. I have met with Duncan Hunter, and I agree with you that he is the ideal candidate to bring forth our values. He is a fine honorable man. However, unless something happens for him, it looks like our best viable alternative is Thompson/Hunter. I pray we will prevail.
His numbers are pretty stagnant, too....between 25 and 35 percent...haven’t grown at all.
This tells me that a president can be influenced by his advisors for SCOTUS picks, and I'd be very pleased to know Ted Olsen's influence was being heard. Sure would beat Hillary's den of thieves.
Btw, what happened to ALL your posts promoting Rudy Giuliani for POTUS, and ALL your posts trashing Ronald Reagan? Haven't seen any lately. Maybe you're scared Jim's working on you next.
Wow Reagan Man chill, your starting to sound like Stalin. You might want to read Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People."
and I guess you are the arbiter for who is and is not conservative?
When I type in quidnunc, I get “banned or suspended”. Same with Mia T. Are you sure you are using the search tool correctly?
“sites that are MUCH BETTER than fr?”
None of course. I believe it was a reference to wideawakes.net. Looks to be a Republican site rather than a conservative site. You would recognize some of the nics.
Thanks. I’m pretty stunned that we’re all supposed to march in lock step and support this narrow group of Republicans, most of whom haven’t announced their intention to run or can’t get out of single digits.
Hey...it is the reason I became a conservative! Those damned liberals cannot bake worth a darn.
Do you think it will be a three-way race vs a two-way race?
Most of the WA is in this thread mourning the loss of their fellow WA Freepers. It brings a little tear to my eye when they talk about how they will miss seeing the dear departed's wonderful meaningful posts...and then I remember that all they have to do is haul their butts back over to the WA board if they miss the dear departed posters posts so much.
“If socons were so concerned with abortion why did they spend most of last year complaining about spending (fiscal conservative issues) instead of abortion? Its like theyre unappeasable.”
So you think social conservatives are unappeasable, cementing your GoP establishment view that socons are merely the blacks of the Dem Party. Let’s “give them cake”. Where else can they go?
Unfortunately for you and your establishment GOP view, Rudee is going to fall when Thompson enters the race...the estab crowd will follow in time...and the radicals and leftists contingent within the GOP who want abortion and no borders etc will be left alone with only a few NE Rinos congressmen to console them and their hopes.
That’s such BS I don’t have words for it.