Conservative California - Had Enough Yet?

October 14, 2007 | Chuck Plante - aka backtothestreets

[sourcery]

Brilliant.

If nothing else, this issue can be used to distract the opposition, and make them spend time on money on something other than stealing from taxpayers.

[backtothestreets]

I’ve been extended an invitation to Washington State if this succeeds in California to help do the same there. Wish us luck!

[Loud Mime]

You have one problem here. From Article IV:

"Section 3. New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

Is the power of the immigrant community tempered by the northern section? Would the split provide powers to them that are counter to the good of the current State?

Would the North allow the loss of the tax revenues that are generated by the South? Would the Congress approve such a move? If it resulted in the liberals being equaled by the conservatives, expect their hearty opposition.

[12th_Monkey]

I was very surprised when I saw the blue and red map of the 04 election. The rural areas where overwhelmingly conservative, while the cities were liberal.
Your idea is great, but it has a snowballs chance in hell to pass.
Would’nt supporting the proposition to change the electoral
college votes to reflect the actual vote be a more attainable goal?

[RLM]

There’s a problem here with the math or the timing. According to the statistics, California now has 33 million people, so the two new states would have a combined population far exceeding 16 million shown in the table. So it appears that somehow 17 million people vanish. Do they go back to Mexico?
Anyway, I like the idea, but I would be forced to move from my rural location in Northern Los Angeles County to the new conservative state.

[RKV]

I propose California be divided into somewhere between 5 and 70 states. 2 of which would be Democratic (LA and SF) and the rest Republican. It’s only fair since a state like Wyoming with barely 500,000 people gets two senators and a congresscritter, while California only gets two senators for 37,000,000 people.

[bubbacluck]

I think he said 16 million voters, not total population.

[freekitty]

They are always talking about it; even split 3 ways, southern, central and northern.

[umgud]

You’ve enumerated all the positives for the rest of us to cast off the shaded areas of you map, but to make this happen, especially through a statewide intiative, I think you’re going to have to provide some selling points to the other side of the split.

Let them know that they have a real opprotunity to finally create the kind of gov’t they want without all those pesky conservatives in the red counties thwarting their efforts.

Here are some things they could finally acheive without us;

Taxpayer paid abortion on demand
Taxpayer paid embriotic stemcell R&D
Statewide gov’t healthcare
Near complete ban on firearms
Homosexual marriage
Unfettered control of school admin and curricula

These are but a few, but you get the picture.

Oh, BTW, since they will lose a common border with Mexico, we will provide safe passage (via boat, air, etc.) of undocumented persons to their new states.

[backtothestreets]

No problem.

Congress granted California the right to form two state when California was admitted to the Union. That provision had no expiration and is still enforce.

If you mean the illegal immigrant populations, a greater percentage reside in the shaded areas that would form the lesser state.

On the state legislative item, the Constitution of the State of California grants to voters the power of the legislature on initiatives. That provision could only be change by a constitutional amendment placed before the voters of California.

Any loss of tax revenues from Los Angeles County would be easily off set by savings to the budget. Neighboring Orange County, is a large conservative County that generates large tax revenues from tourism anchored on Disneyland and other popular tourist destination. The same is true of San Diego County further south.

The proposed boundaries are such that it would be impossible for liberals residing in the lesser state to garner the votes necessary to defeat the proposal. Many liberals in the greater state would join in support with conservatives for the initiative as it would reduce the taxes, gas and utility expenses. We saw this type of alignment in the recall election over the raising of vehicle registration fees. Many people, even liberals, vote their wallets & pocket book.

[backtothestreets]

The table is correct. The 16 million are registered voters. Not all California residents are eligible to vote, and many that are eligible do not participate.

You wouldn’t be forced to move to the new state. We would gladly have you!

[backtothestreets]

Those election 04 maps, and the earlier recall election maps say the proposal has a great chance of being passed.

The proposed initiative for the change on how our electoral delegates are selected is dead in the water from what I read a couple weeks back. The Republican proponents that created the proposal have abandoned it last I heard.

[backtothestreets]

Splitting into more than two states is highly unlikely as that would require Congressional approval. California was granted permission by Congress to split into two states, with no time limitation, when the state entered the Union.

[backtothestreets]

Dang! You’ve got quite a list going. I’ll have to snag it when the time comes to make the shaded areas want the split.

I had to think long and hard about the border with Mexico. To accomplish that control meant including Imperial County with the larger state despite it being predominately liberal. The population was small enough that the benefits of controlling the border outweighed the risks.

[backtothestreets]

I figure at worst, it will make the tyrants of the legislature very uneasy and quite suddenly aware their captive can escape, and will if they keep prodding it.

[umgud]

I’m serious. I really do believe that thru a statewide initiative you’re going to have to provide some selling points to the cast-off counties.

[cgbg]

According to that map you are just two big earthquakes away from getting your wish.

:-)

[Cringing Negativism Network]

EXCELLENT IDEA.

Have rural California, form a new state.

Everything but the coastal strip between SFO on the north, and LA on the south.

Since the (existing) liberal Californians will of course whine and stomp their feet, they’ll not likely part with the name California for the new state — which isn’t an issue since California is a Mexican name anyway.

Call the new rural California spin-off “Pacific” or something.

Interesting to note: The voters of the new state of Pacific, will not be likely to support amnesty.

So you’ll have a (dark) blue strip along the central west of the state, into which will be piled ... 10 million illegals.

Let the liberals work out the logistics.

GREAT IDEA.

Where can I sign up?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Re-read the Constitution. No new states shall be formed within an existing one.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

The new state needs to keep San Diego.

It’s conservative. And we’ll need a port, to conduct business with. :)

This a great idea. Seriously.

I’m getting to the point, I’m actually starting to make plans to move out of California. This would be a great alternative to moving somewhere else.

Total win/win.

GOOD IDEA!! Let’s get Duncan Hunter involved somehow. :)