Posted on 10/18/2007 2:08:41 PM PDT by Signalman
False statement. Aren’t you listening and reading. He believes that Jesus Christ is Divine. Let it go. And let’s let go of the theological technicalities and dwell on politics and morality.
Duncan Hunter and Tancredo fit that description, too.
“* Nov. 18, 2003 Romney responds to SJC ruling with four-sentence statement implicitly recognizing SJC’s authority, says only remedy will be a constitutional amendment: “I disagree with the Supreme Judicial Court. Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. I will support an amendment to the Massachusetts Constitution to make that expressly clear. Of course, we must provide basic civil rights and appropriate benefits to nontraditional couples, but marriage is a special institution that should be reserved for a man and a woman.”
Good point Bob. It’s good to see actual facts as apposed to baseless charges. Given Romney’s record, anyone charging him with carrying a pro gay rights agenda looses all credibility with me. It would better for the conservative cause if Republicans making a charge against a Republican candidate to show reasonable evidence to substantiate the charge. The mud throwing weakens our chances as a group to win elections. It develops animosity and unproductive suspicion within the party. It may be fun for the mud thrower, but it turns off support one of our candidates will need if we are to win in the general election.
Hogwash. I am opposed to Mormonism, but even were he not a Mormon I could not vote for him.
He is pulling the wool over conservatives eyes. Conservatives who believe his present rhetoric are making a huge mistake. I don’t buy it for a minute. All you have to do is look at his record to know the real Romney. All he is doing is running to the right to win the nomination. He’ll outdo Klinton in lying if he has to to get that prize.
It is not a false statement. If Romney were to stand up in a mormon church and say, “I believe Jesus Christ was God Himself” he would be excommunicated.
Aren’t you listening and reading.
***The article splits into 2 reasons, and one of those supposed reasons is a dead giveaway that the man believes in a cult. What he believes is flat unbiblical. It is a heretical religion.
He believes that Jesus Christ is Divine. Let it go. And let’s let go of the theological technicalities and dwell on politics and morality.
***Why do I need to let go of it when it is one of only 2 points that the author proceeds from? The deity of Christ is a “theological technicality”? Baloney. It is the central aspect to all of christianity, dividing heretics & agnostics & charlatans from true believers.
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Evangelists should be supporting Rep. Duncan Hunter. He has earned:
A+ - National Rifle Assn.
100% - Eagle Forum
100% - National Right to Life
92% - American Conservative Union
100% - Concerned Women of America
100% - Christian Coalition
100% - Campaign for Working Families
A proven visionary, with essential military expertise and foreign affairs experience equaled by no other candidate running, Rep. Duncan Hunter fills the bill of my Evangelical specifications. His cool head, steady hand and command of respect doesn’t hurt, either. :)
Why do I need to let go of it when it is one of only 2 points that the author proceeds from? The deity of Christ is a “theological technicality”? Baloney. It is the central aspect to all of christianity, dividing heretics & agnostics & charlatans from true believers.
It is important for one’s faith, but it is a technicality for choosing a president.
***Then 1 of the 2 reasons why this guy wrote the article is basically a technicality. Why would someone spend half of his reasons on a supposed technicality? Well, um, he didn’t, because it is NOT a technicality.
If it is so important, please tell me how the choice between Ebionism, Docetism, Arianism, Nestorianism, Eutychianism, Appolinarianism and the Nicean Creed impact on the coming election. If it so important, I need to know.
***Ask about any of this fancy-dancyisms — Does this mean that it admits Jesus Christ to be God Himself? If the answer is no, they got it wrong.
OK.
Romney told gays he would be a stronger supporter of their agenda than Ted Kennedy.
Romney handed out pink fliers at a gay pride festival supporting their agenda.
Romney stated he supported the military's "don't ask don't tell" policy as a stepping stone to gays serving openly in the military.
Romney did nothing to support a marriage amendment.
There is, of course, much more. That is why the gays are attacking him. He was one of their strongest supporters and has now flip flopped and campaigns as if he never was.
Ebionism, Docetism, Arianism, Nestorianism, Eutychianism, Appolinarianism.
None of these come anywhere close to being as wacky as Mormonism. Theologically speaking, comparing these mild forms of unorthodoxy to Mormonism is comparing apples and oranges.
I like them both, but you see the numbers just like I do. Fred Thompson can beat Hillary Clinton!
All faithful Latter Day Saints believe Jesus is Divine. We believe His is the only name by which we can be saved. We except what the Bible has to say about Christ, but feel that the creeds diverged from that truth on some points. It is true that the LDS (Mormon) faith rejects the belief that Jesus is the same person as God the Father. But to say the LDS position is that Jesus is not divine is incorrect. I doubt my correction will persuade Kevmo. To bad, but for those who know little about LDS beliefs, I hope you will reject his false charge.
Kevmo, you could not be more wrong about Latter-day Saint beliefs regarding the divinity of Jesus Christ. The title page of the Book Mormon expressly states that its purpose is “to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself to all nations.” If Mitt were to stand in a Mormon meeting and state that he believes that “Jesus Christ was God Himself”, he would merely be stating a central point of Mormon doctrine and he would receive a hearty amen.
That is an LDS caucus thread.
So, how do we resolve this?
I have posted it before on Romney threads and it did not get taken up. I see a lot of mormonism threads degrading into useless discussions. I’m not interested in such discussions.
Do you see this as the central tenet to all of Christendom? I do. When I have this discussion with Jehovah’s Witnesses, they say Jesus was A God. Wrong. When I have this discussion with mormons, they say that we can become gods. Unbiblical. They say all kinds of weird stuff, and there is no archaeological evidence to support the book of mormon. If you print out this exchange and show it to your elders at your church, how confident are you that you would not be excommunicated?
Mitt does not have my support for several reasons, one of which is that he is involved in a cult.
Here is the church I go to, Ray Stedman’s old church, and a search for the word “mormon” would be the place to start.
http://www.pbc.org/library/message/search?search=mormon
I suspect what you are saying is that if one does not believe in the Nicene Creed they are a heretic and therefore can not be supported for president.
***Since I didn’t write anything about a Nicene Creed, I’m inclined to not bother with it.
In the first place, I doubt if you could explain the Nicene Creed.
***I doubt it as well.
I doubt if you are aware of the theological complexities of that Creed.
***I agree. Nor am I interested in theological complexity.
And in the second place, you are missing what America is all about. America exists because people of various persuasions, but of good will, find common ground and work together to achieve common goals.
***Sounds good to me. The common ground thing can be important when you consider the Deity of Christ.
Your approach on this would lead not only to the dissolution of the Republican Party, but of the Nation itself.
***Fascinating. That is an amazing example of the slippery slope fallacy.
Romney, Smart enough to change his core beliefs from one election to the next!
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