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Caveman (Neanderthal) 'May Have Used Language'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 10-20-2007 | Richard Gray

Posted on 10/20/2007 8:44:57 AM PDT by blam

Cavemen 'may have used language'

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:42pm BST 20/10/2007

They are typically portrayed as primitive brutes capable only of grunting, but new research now suggests Neanderthals may have whiled away the hours in their caves in conversation.

Neanderthals may have had their own culture

Scientists who have been trawling through the DNA found in Neanderthal bones have discovered that the now extinct species had a “language gene” that is only found in modern humans.

Their controversial findings create the tantalising possibility that Neanderthals were in fact capable of speech much like humans and communicated with each other through their own language.

As language is seen as one of the key cornerstones that has set humans apart from other animals and allowed sophisticated cultures to develop, many anthropologists now believe it may have allowed Neanderthals to have their own culture.

It is a stark contrast to the traditional image of Neanderthals as simple-minded cavemen and the latest research has shed new light on how Neanderthals evolved from our common ancestor more than 400,000 years ago.

Professor Svante Paabo, who has been leading the Neanderthal genome project at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, said the presence of the language gene would change the way people view Neanderthals.

He said: “It is not a compliment to be called a Neanderthal, but we are finding that the Neanderthal DNA looks much more like contemporary humans than chimps.

“The human variations of this gene involved in the use of language are not found in apes and for a long time there has been speculation Neanderthals would have a different gene and so a different linguistic ability.

“By looking at their DNA, we have found that from the point of view of this gene, there is no reason they would not have spoken like we do. It is a very contentious area with a lot of different views.”

His teams findings support previous work that has attempted to model the Neanderthals throat and larynx from their remains. While some scientists have insisted they would have spoken, others have dismissed the idea.

Until recently common scientific opinion has painted a picture of Neanderthals as a slow and dim-witted species that was outwitted by its smarter cousins who went on to become modern humans while the Neanderthals died out.

But there is now a growing consensus that Neanderthals were perhaps far more sophisticated than they have been given credit for capable of making stone tools and even cleaned their teeth.

The discovery of the gene, called FOXP2, have provided the strongest evidence yet that these heavily built species were capable of speech, although the researchers are unable to say what extent their linguistic ability would have been.

FOXP2 is thought to be crucial to the development of language as it governs the fine control of muscles that is needed to form words with the larynx, lips and tongue.

Professor Paabo has been leading research to create the first ever profile of the Neanderthal genome from the remains of nine Neanderthal’s, thought to have been killed and eaten by cannibals 42,000 years ago, that were found in a cave in Northern Spain.

The bones are carefully collected and frozen in the cave to avoid contamination before the DNA is extracted in the lab and profiled.

But some scientists have warned that it is not possible draw any conclusions about the Neanderthals ability to speak from the research, which is published in the journal Current Biology.

Dr Simon Fisher, one of the scientists at Oxford University who discovered FOXP2, said: “This is a really fascinating study, but analysis of a single gene is not enough to resolve the big question of whether or not Neanderthals were capable of speech or for us to estimate what level of complexity their vocal communication could achieve.”

Dr Simon Underdown, an anthropologist at Oxford Brookes University, insists, however, that the new research will revolutionise the way people look at Neanderthals.

He said: “This research should finally blow away the last vestiges of the Neanderthal as a dull-witted cave man.”

NEANDERTHAL FACTS

Lived 350,000 -24,000 years ago

Spread across Europe and as far east as southern Siberia and Uzbekistan

Last known refuge in caves in southern Iberia

Died off just 10,000 yeas after modern man arrived in Europe

Distinct species from modern humans although scientists debate if they interbred

Average male stood 5.4 feet tall while females were 5 feet tall but heavily built

Skulls had 10 per cent greater capacity than modern humans

Most Neanderthals died by the age of 30 years old

Named after Neander Valley near Dusseldorf, Germany, where first key fossils were found

Early Neanderthals scavenged for food but later used may have used spears to hunt


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To: Eaker
The discovery of the gene, called FOXP2, have provided the strongest evidence yet that these heavily built species were capable of speech

Sure.

Speak fine.

Just don't like it.

41 posted on 10/20/2007 10:34:24 AM PDT by humblegunner (©)
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To: humblegunner

No talk.

Keep cave clean.


42 posted on 10/20/2007 11:03:57 AM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: blam
FOXP2 is thought to be crucial to the development of language

I guess we will just have to wait and see if they had the MSNBC2 gene, which causes incessant blathering.

43 posted on 10/20/2007 2:47:15 PM PDT by Rokurota (.)
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Victory at last. I always knew they'd, uh, cave...
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

44 posted on 10/20/2007 4:32:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, October 16, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks Blam. The article still arfs it up though:
Scientists who have been trawling through the DNA found in Neanderthal bones have discovered that the now extinct species had a "language gene" that is only found in modern humans. Their controversial findings create the tantalising possibility that Neanderthals were in fact capable of speech much like humans and communicated with each other through their own language.
There's that "now extinct" crap. How surprising -- Neanderthal went extinct because they couldn't talk (that's one of many supposed reasons), now it turns out they could talk, but hey, they still went extinct, so it remains a mystery.

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45 posted on 10/20/2007 4:37:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, October 16, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Well...DUH!


46 posted on 10/20/2007 4:38:56 PM PDT by Monkey Face (It's time for Halloween, so practice safe hex.)
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To: blam

They are just a few years late with this info. They found evidence of Neanderthals speech making abilities years ago.


47 posted on 10/20/2007 4:56:12 PM PDT by calex59
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To: blam
The Neanderthal lived in the Northern regions through at least two Ice Ages

WHAT?! Are you telling me that Neanderthal man is responsible for global warming?! Does Al know? ; )
48 posted on 10/20/2007 5:33:40 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Condor51

He’s from Los Angeles.


49 posted on 10/20/2007 6:35:16 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: SunkenCiv

There are so many grammatical errors in this article that I wonder about this Richard Gray’s FOXP2!


50 posted on 10/20/2007 7:58:54 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (For evil to win, it is only necessary for Jimmy Carter to be considered a role model.)
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To: blam

Yeah, and they did not all die off either. Today we call them LIBERALS.


51 posted on 10/20/2007 8:10:05 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: blam

UNGH!


52 posted on 10/20/2007 10:26:50 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: live+let_live

Eventually, they will tell us that Neanderthals were partial to fish & shrimp...that they actually made fairly good wine...that they conveyed their dreams via wonderful artwork, paintings and pottery...and were the original liberal democrats.

At that point...you know the Neanderthal scientists are learning things from the global warming crowd and helping to siphon off more cash for research trips and 4-wheel drive Jeeps.


53 posted on 10/20/2007 10:47:46 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: SunkenCiv
Don't take that extinction slight so personally, sunken civ, I still beleive in you Neanderthals.
54 posted on 10/20/2007 11:10:49 PM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: ValerieTexas

believe?


55 posted on 10/20/2007 11:17:06 PM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: ValerieTexas

That too. ;’)


56 posted on 10/21/2007 4:40:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, October 16, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
”As Jerry Lee Lewis said: This left me,,,,,,,“

SPEECHLESS!

57 posted on 10/21/2007 4:54:09 AM PDT by CHEE (ha)
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To: To Hell With Poverty
:')
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58 posted on 10/21/2007 4:57:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, October 16, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Monkey Face

:’P :’)


59 posted on 10/21/2007 5:04:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, October 16, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ValerieTexas
"Don't take that extinction slight so personally, sunken civ, I still beleive in you Neanderthals."

LOL.

60 posted on 10/21/2007 7:23:36 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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