Posted on 04/14/2008 3:35:15 PM PDT by blam
Is Stonehenge Roman?
Geoffrey Wainwright, the co-Director of the excavations. Geoffrey's friends will be glad to note that he has now recovered from his hip replacement, though he can still not get down the deep holes
After a gap of some forty four years, Stonehenge is once again being excavated. Admittedly, this time it is only a very small hole, and is only being dug for a fortnight, but it is a very important hole, and on April the 9th, we were invited down to Stonehenge to inspect it. It was a wonderful trip, not least because the weather was perfect. After the heavy snow fall at the weekend the sun decided to shine and since we were allowed inside the circle, I took the opportunity to take hundreds of photographs.
The excavations are being conducted by Geoffrey Wainwright (ex-English Heritage) and Tim Darvill (Bournemouth University), following up their research into the sources of the blue stones in the Prescelly Mountains in Pembrokeshire: but as they are being funded by the BBC TimeWatch programme, they are being carried out with the maximum publicity.
Where are the excavations? They are on the other side of the monument to the road. In this panoramic view, the road is to the left, and the excavations can be seen (just!) to the right.
It must be said that it is a very small trench.
The excavations consist of one very small area. Here Tim Darvell is down the central pit
What they are looking for is evidence for the dating of the arrival of the blue stones at Stonehenge. The blue stones story is a complicated one, as the present circle of blue stones is not in the original position. There is a circle of blue stone pits known as the Q and R holes, where it is assumed that the stones were originally set before they were put in their current position. However there is no good dating evidence for the Q and R holes, so the present excavations aim to uncover the base of one of the blue stone holes in the hopes that they may find an antler-pick for radiocarbon dating.
However the most surprising discoveries so far have been Roman. In a small pit containing a small bluestone in the corner of the trench, itself cut into the main socket of one of the uprights, they found a Roman coin. Even more alarming, was the excavation of the large pit in the centre of the excavation, where right near the bottom they found a very small piece of what was indubitably Roman pottery. Was there a major reordering of the site in the Roman period? As Geoffrey Wainwright said, their small trench looked like an urban excavation, there were so many intercutting pits.
The Roman coin was found in the far corner of the trench. Note in the background the two television cameras: as the work was funded by the BBC Timewatch, the excavations were constantly recorded
Were the Romans rather like English Heritage, people who abhor untidiness, and when they came to Stonehenge, they found a somewhat decrepit monument in need of tender loving care, and said: Oh these wretched druids, they never look after their ancient monuments properly – we had better send along a gang to tidy it up and pay due respects to whatever gods were originally worshipped there? But just how extensive was this tidying up? How much of the plan of Stonehenge that has come to us is due to Roman interference?
This bluestone only survives as a stump, but this is the one they are targetting, hoping to find good dating evidence - preferably an antler pick. The smooth face is perfectly natural.
But Stonehenge is not the only site in the complex that is being excavated. After the official tour, we went on to Woodhenge and to Durrington Walls, back to the site where Geoffrey Wainwright first came face to face with Stonehenge when he carried out major excavations 40 years ago in advance of a new road: we had just launched Current Archaeology at the time, and we reported on it in CA 5 way back in 1967. More recently Mike Parker-Pearson of Sheffield University has also been digging at Durrington, with remarkable results – the full details are still embargoed as his excavations are part-funded by National Geographic magazine. But he has two sites, one down by the river where he is uncovering an approach processional way to the site from the river and the other site is within the great enclosure itself where he is discovering large numbers of very small house platforms: he would like to see them as the workers huts for the building of Stonehenge, even though the pottery is Grooved Ware, which is uncommon at Stonehenge.
So we now have two major research projects being undertaken in the Stonehenge area, both driven by very different research agenda. Tim Darvill and Geoffrey Wainwright believe that the bluestones have healing powers, and they would like to see them arriving at Stonehenge as early as possible. Mike Parker-Pearson however, at Durrington, sees such sites being divided between areas of the living and areas of the dead. Stonehenge, he would like to believe, is an area of the dead, whereas Durrington is an area of the living where the workers lived who built Stonehenge. There are two very different sets of ideas: will they produce different sets of results? Watch out in the future; and if the results ‘prove’ that ‘Stonehenge was a place of healing’ , or ‘another Lourdes’, be just a teeny weeny little bit suspicious. . .
It would be funny if it turned out to be a play fort some Roman prefect had built for his kids. ;)
Did whales build Stonehenge?
Anyway that is as good a story as any I ever heard about how they were raised up.
“we went on to Woodhenge”
Next they will be going to Clayhenge. Then Silverwarehenge! On to Rubberhenge! They’re saving Toadhenge for last.
Obviously it was the Good People who built Stonehenge.
No, the whales built Wales.
Ave! Imperatorum!
Eddie Izzard has a good bit on Stonehenge...
Yes, on the plans he wrote 13' instead of 13".
Carhenge in Nebraska is pretty interesting
All the theories and tales about Stonehenge might be based on examination of a much older site, 'tidied up' and moved around by much later Mediterranean invaders, then left alone a few centuries for modern researchers to misinterpret.
I love it when that happens!
Very funny video. Thanks.
Great thread, blam! And I’ve decided that I should try to seduce Mr. Geoffrey Wainwright. He’s the cutest guy I’ve seen in a long time. He has eyes that are just captivating.
Oh well, I might be a little too old for him. ~</;o)
Maybe it’s the remnants of a huge stone baked pizza franchise?
I stand by my earlier position that it was a tavern.
Nothing else would’ve been worth all that effort.
Some years ago, the Smithsonian figured out a much less labor intensive way for large stone blocks to be moved. By putting rounded wooden sections, held together with pins, on four sides of the block, you turn a rectangular stone into something like a wide axle with two wheels.
By doing so, you can move large stones much faster, with fewer laborers, over greater distances.
Interestingly, the technology to do so is even simpler than the technology to cut smooth stones, which would explain the unevenness of Stonehenge.
Another Roman coin? If I lost money like a Roman I’d be bankrupt. Maybe they just did this to mess with our heads when we dug this stuff up. ;-)
“Oh building a henge are we? Very nice.”
Eddie is a funny guy; I especially like his “Remember this was back in mumble mumble B.C..” act.
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I’ll bet there were vendors at Stonehenge hawking honeyed mead and sweet cakes to the visiting Romans who came out on holiday to see the spectacular stones .
No.
I see what you Mean:
Coins:
* Roman coins have been found in Venezuela and Maine.
* Roman coins were found in Texas at the bottom of an Indian mound at Round Rock. The mound is dated at approximately 800 AD.
* In 1957 by a small boy found a coin in a field near Phenix City, Alabama, from Syracuse, on the island of Sicily, and dating from 490 B.C.
* In the town of Heavener, Oklahoma, another out-of-place coin was found in 1976. Experts identified it as a bronze tetradrachm originally struck in Antioch, Syria in 63 A.D. and bearing the profile of the emperor Nero.
* In 1882, a farmer in Cass County, Illinois picked up bronze coin later identified as a coin of Antiochus IV, one of the kings of Syria who reigned from 175 B.C. to 164 B.C., and who is mentioned in the Bible.
Earlier than Roman.
Many archeologists believe that Stonehenge is a temple to the sun god, as described by the classical historian Diodorus Siculus who cites the fourth century BC GREEK geographer, Hecataeus of Abdera, in a key 1st century classical source.
AND here is the legend:
A classical legend associated with the Greek Oracle of Delphi is related to Stonehenge’s past. It states that the oracle at Delphi functioned for only part of the year because, for three months around the winter solstice, the site’s sun god Apollo) went to the “land of the hyperboreans” (literally “the land of the people beyond the north wind!”), which is generally believed to be Britain.
Significantly, Stonehenge is aligned with the winter as well as the summer solstice.
The Greeks knew about this place long before the Romans ever got there.
“The Greeks knew about this place long before the Romans ever got there.”
And probably the Phoenicians before the Greeks.
It was not unusual for the Romans to worship local Gods and incorporate them into their Pantheon. Pagans were much more ecumenical than Judaeo-Christians. Aquae Sulis
is an example of Romans incorporating a local deity into their Pantheon by identifying her with a Roman goddess.
The Monolith builders antedated the Romans, Greeks, Phoenicians and Celts.
Megalith, not Monolith - brain burp.
Actually the Greeks go way before the Phoenicians to the second millennium BC - for example Mycenae-—some ruins found in Sicily quite recently were constructed by Phoenicians and are of the 8th century BC.
“Yeah, Reg, what’d the Romans ever do for us?
“well, there’s the roads and Stonehenge.”
“that goes without saying”
Guess you’re right. The Myceanaeans were around in the 1300’s ??
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