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Court: Texas had no right to take polygamists' kids 3 minutes ago
AP via Yahoo ^ | 5/22/08

Posted on 05/22/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan

SAN ANGELO, Texas - A state appellate court has ruled that child welfare officials had no right to seize more than 400 children living at a polygamist sect's ranch.

The Third Court of Appeals in Austin ruled that the grounds for removing the children were "legally and factually insufficient" under Texas law. They did not immediately order the return of the children.

Child welfare officials removed the children on the grounds that the sect pushed underage girls into marriage and sex and trained boys to become future perpetrators.

The appellate court ruled the chaotic hearing held last month did not demonstrate the children were in any immediate danger, the only measure of taking children from their homes without court proceedings.


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Hmmm
1 posted on 05/22/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: ElkGroveDan

The only danger was of an overreaching government sticking their noses in where they are not wanted.


2 posted on 05/22/2008 10:48:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

In before gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands!


3 posted on 05/22/2008 10:48:25 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: ElkGroveDan

The mob will not be pleased.


4 posted on 05/22/2008 10:49:20 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Court: Texas had no right to take polygamists' kids 3 minutes ago

But five minutes ago would have been ok?

5 posted on 05/22/2008 10:49:25 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: ElkGroveDan
Very interesting. It seems that those of us who were worried about all that silly 'due process' stuff were right all along.

L

6 posted on 05/22/2008 10:50:30 AM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: Ron Jeremy

That’s just an AP thing that I inadvertantly copied.


7 posted on 05/22/2008 10:51:32 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The road to hell is paved with the stones of pragmatism.)
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To: lady lawyer

FYI


8 posted on 05/22/2008 10:51:55 AM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: Ron Jeremy

I just got your screenname....clever....:-)


9 posted on 05/22/2008 10:52:23 AM PDT by Dog
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To: ElkGroveDan

The state has found zero abuse or otherwise the appeals court would have ruled otherwise. The warrant should have ended the second they found out that the call was fake.


10 posted on 05/22/2008 10:52:49 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Oh, my.


11 posted on 05/22/2008 10:53:05 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Heh. If it hadn’t been “legally and factually insufficient” how would you tell it had been performed by CPS?


12 posted on 05/22/2008 10:53:21 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( Uh...fight SCD. Schwa Collapse Disorder is spreading. Save the a word. Just say uh.)
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Wow, a ruling for actual liberty and freedom!

I got excoriated by quite a few people here when I suggested that just blindly taking all of these children away from their mothers was unjust.

13 posted on 05/22/2008 10:54:24 AM PDT by jpl ("Don't tell me words don't matter." - Barack Obama, via Deval Patrick)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Pass the popcorn, this should be good.


14 posted on 05/22/2008 10:54:36 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Old Mountain man

They got to release those kids back to their parents.


15 posted on 05/22/2008 10:54:49 AM PDT by Dog
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To: ElkGroveDan

“child welfare officials had no right to seize more than 400 children...”

Damn right they didn’t! They will deserve every lawsuit that’ll come out of this.

Militant


16 posted on 05/22/2008 10:55:41 AM PDT by militant2 ("From time to time, the tree of Liberty must be nourished with the blood of tyrants!")
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To: ElkGroveDan

No sweat, the CPS will just round them up and bus them back to the ranch, right?


17 posted on 05/22/2008 10:56:14 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/05/22/judge_cps_improperly_removed_f.html

Judges: CPS improperly removed FLDS children
By Chuck Lindell | Thursday, May 22, 2008, 12:32 PM

A Texas agency improperly removed more than 450 children from a polygamist ranch in West Texas, an Austin appeals court ruled today.

The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services failed to prove that children at the YFZ Ranch were in danger and needed to be removed from their homes, the 3rd Texas Court of Appeals ruled.

In addition, the appellate court ruled that District Judge Barbara Walther abused her discretion by failing to return the children after three days of hearings last month.

“Even if one views the FLDS belief system as creating a danger of sexual abuse by grooming boys to be perpetrators of sexual abuse and raising girls to be victims of sexual abuse as the department contends, there is no evidence that this danger is ‘immediate’ or ‘urgent,’ as contemplated” by state law, the court opinion states.


18 posted on 05/22/2008 10:56:26 AM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: ElkGroveDan

yeah I know, was just teasing you.


19 posted on 05/22/2008 10:56:44 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: ElkGroveDan

I see the appeals court didn’t order a return yet. So it seems the appeal ruling hangs on the definition of what “immediate” is.


20 posted on 05/22/2008 10:56:56 AM PDT by DannyTN
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