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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)


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To: mojitojoe

LOL! I think it was the other way around...he came to the US with BARACK and when he went back to Kenya he became BARAK.


9,301 posted on 08/14/2009 6:45:15 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Fred Nerks

However the captions with the photos of the party in Hawaii at post #0170 spell his name “Barak” and the friend remembers him as “Barak” so it would seem to me that whoever wrote the captions must have asked him his name and how to spell it and the friend also would have been told by Barak himself.


9,302 posted on 08/14/2009 6:45:15 PM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: Fred Nerks

So if I’m a clerk, phoning the American embassy and the hospital person TELLS me his name is “BARek”, I write down B-a-r-a-C-k. Make sense....

And when the local clerk employed by the American Embassy sees the blank race, he fills in African. (I really don’t think there were too many countries where race was a blank)

Therefore, when HI fills out the COLB, the simply mimic the form wired to them by the American Embassy. IE: 1.Stanley Ann stop 2. Dunham stop 3....stop . etc etc


9,303 posted on 08/14/2009 6:45:22 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: mojitojoe

No, it won’t prove anything of the kind if the switch was made in between the time that the papers were laid out ready to be printed, and the time they actually went to print.
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Based on this theory, what earthy reason would FMD have had to remove the Obama announcement and enter the Klondykes?


9,304 posted on 08/14/2009 6:45:55 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: mojitojoe

No, it won’t prove anything of the kind if the switch was made in between the time that the papers were laid out ready to be printed, and the time they actually went to print.
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Based on this theory, what earthly reason would FMD have had to remove the Obama announcement and enter the Klondykes?


9,305 posted on 08/14/2009 6:46:08 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: mojitojoe

Where are you? I know where there are a couple of archive of the paper you might check....page by page.


9,306 posted on 08/14/2009 6:47:29 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Fred Nerks; hoosiermama

Yes, the notification was left on Barak's door for 10 days (starting Jan 30, 1964) in Cambridge before the post office picked it up and returned it to Hawaii. It was not signed by Barak, nor did he show up for court -- this was explained to me from a court clerk and PI who acquired the papers. Therefore, the divorce was granted by default.

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9,307 posted on 08/14/2009 6:48:50 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: mojitojoe
The name is NORDYKE.

Based on this theory, what earthy reason would FMD have had to remove the Obama announcement and enter the Klondykes?

huh?

I'm SUGGESTING the Nordyke announcement was already included in the lay-out of the paper ready to be printed.

The obama announcement was substituted in the same space. THE NORDYKE ANNOUNCEMENT HAS NOW DISAPPEARED. FOREVER!

9,308 posted on 08/14/2009 6:52:28 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: BP2

Thank you, BP2


9,309 posted on 08/14/2009 6:53:51 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I know the name is Nordyke but I am hell bent on calling them Klondyke. I even have the Nordyke BC open in aother window. Maybe I want ice cream.....a Klondyke bar. :P


9,310 posted on 08/14/2009 6:54:51 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: BP2

It’s signed “Barack” not “Barak” — who filled out the name, if he did not sign it?


9,311 posted on 08/14/2009 6:55:22 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Fred Nerks

I’m SUGGESTING the Nordyke announcement was already included in the lay-out of the paper ready to be printed.

The obama announcement was substituted in the same space. THE NORDYKE ANNOUNCEMENT HAS NOW DISAPPEARED. FOREVER!
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Right and I’m saying don’t bet the farm on it. ;) IF someone has happened to locate or locates an genuine hard copy, old Hawaiian newspaper from that date, and the Nordyke’s is in the paper, Obama’s is NOT, then then someone messed with the microfiche with a deliberate intent to create fraud. Unless factcheck never got it from microfiche and they just made it up as a fake. But I think someone else saw the microfilm.


9,312 posted on 08/14/2009 6:58:41 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: hoosiermama

Where are you? I know where there are a couple of archive of the paper you might check....page by page.
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No, a physical copy of the paper! No archives, no microfiche. Only a physical paper that shows Nordyke and not Obama.;)BUSTED!


9,313 posted on 08/14/2009 7:00:54 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: BP2

Where is the proof and I mean proof, that they knew each other, shared the same class, lived together, and were married.


9,314 posted on 08/14/2009 7:02:43 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: BP2

Ive never seen those. Added to my files and thank you very much for posting them.


9,315 posted on 08/14/2009 7:03:38 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: Fred Nerks
I'm SUGGESTING the Nordyke announcement was already included in the lay-out of the paper ready to be printed.

If this scenario is true, I'm envisioning camera-ready strips of layout sheets with blue lines, beeswax backing, a light table, and an Exacto knife.

http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2009/05/dead-tech-waxers.html

9,316 posted on 08/14/2009 7:05:30 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: mojitojoe

factcheck never checked anything, they got their copy from texadarlin, it was sent to texasdarlin by someone who called herself LoriStarfelt, who wrote that she got it as a photocopy from Hawaii that she sent to texasdarlin by e-mail...and a little while later, another poster wrote to Atlas Shrugs sending them a similar photocopy that she got from the Hawaii library (she wrote) when she (infidel Granny) asked Hawaii for it, the woman at the counter said, ‘oh you can have this copy in my folder, another person asked for the same thing last week and I made a spare one...

or something like that.

It gives me a blinding headache just to think about it.

Factcheck ‘validated’ an ‘announcement’ received from an anonymous poster via e-mail...very impressive.

And if you or I could ever get close enough to the microfilm (very very doubtful) what would we find? The announcement substituted for the Nordyke announcement. Maybe factcheck knew all along it would be a waste of money sending anyone to the library because they already knew what was there...?


9,317 posted on 08/14/2009 7:11:34 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: mojitojoe

FROM JUNE 17

To: Fred Nerks; Beckwith
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/barack-hussein-birth-announcement-forgery-the-fraud-goes-on.html

Here’s a comment on Atlas Shrugs from Infidel Granny, reminding Pamela just where the birth announcement came from. It was a scan, e-mailed to her.

“Pamela,
Infidel Granny here. I am the woman who sent you the birth announcement from the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2008. You gave me a hat tip on July 23, 2008.
I sure hope you don’t think I had anything to do with a forgery.
The woman I spoke to at the Advertiser suggested I contact the Hawaii State Librbary for the info. That’s where I got it from just as it states in the blog on July 23. The librarian stated another woman had asked for the same thing about one week before I did.
You might still have my email and phone number. Feel free to contact me if you like.”


I’m putting this up here now because the link to Texasdarlin where Lori Starfelt explains how she came about her material (from the same source, by e-mail) has been removed.

Maybe factcheck didn’t appreciate me drawing attention to that fact they ‘validated’ an announcement that was an electronic image of a scan received by e-mail from an anonymous poster?

8,014 posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:47:12 PM by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)


9,318 posted on 08/14/2009 7:15:45 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: thecodont

LOL! I spent some time in a newspaper office, this sort of thing shows my age.


9,319 posted on 08/14/2009 7:18:34 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Fred Nerks

The blind leading the blind.


9,320 posted on 08/14/2009 7:19:40 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: Fred Nerks; mojitojoe

I have first-hand knowledge of newspaper production from that era, including hours in the backshop.

In 1961, newspapers were still universally using hot type, not offset printing. Technology has changed. There is absolutely no way that lead type could have been switched between composition and printing. You’d have to have many people involved in the complicity, including the linotype operator.

After the switch to offset, with computer-printed type and paste-ups, it would be easy to do such a switch, but not in 1961.


9,321 posted on 08/14/2009 7:20:05 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Re: Frank Marshall Davis & Helen Canfield. When they were estranged in 1957, FMD told his friends that he was going to divorce Helen because she was “psychotic”. I forgot to include that tid bit in my earlier note. This is from an FBI file. Link above.


9,322 posted on 08/14/2009 7:23:43 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Jedidah

Thank you for your comment.

Recall, I did use the word IMAGINE. Now let us imagine a similar scenario - that took place BEFORE the pages were laid up?

The print-shop simply ‘lost’ the Nordyke announcement?


9,323 posted on 08/14/2009 7:25:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Jedidah

Been in many of those press rooms , had a friend who was a “stripper”. and an X who was an editor.

No way was it changed in the press room....Maybe taken from micro/ back to readable print...a photoshop think.


9,324 posted on 08/14/2009 7:26:31 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Fred Nerks; BP2; mojitojoe; Red Steel
m’Lady, I have a more ominous scenario on his birth number and announcement. It is possible that a child of the family of six at the address in the paper had a child who died within the first year of birth and the forger chose the name of that family and it was replaced with ‘Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama a son’ but the address was not changed.

If the oldest child of that family living at the time in the address listed for the Obamas is still alive (do you have the names of the children living at that address in 1961), that person would be only in the early to mid fifties. If they recall a sibling who died shortly after birth, we have a trail to follow! Could that be why the registry number is slightly higher than the Nordyke twins, because the child who died and was in the original announcement was born a few hours after the Nordyke twins?

9,325 posted on 08/14/2009 7:29:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Jedidah

I agree, and that’s why it was done recently. The actual Hawaii newspaper from that day showing Nordyke and not Obama will prove it. However, it won’t incriminate him, not will it incriminate Factcheck because neither of them got it themselves. The question is, who was the one that first asked for it? Before the blogger that sent it to Texas Darlin’ got it? Who was that person and why didn’t they expose it when they got it?


9,326 posted on 08/14/2009 7:37:54 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: BP2

Yes, and see how the first name is spelled on that form...looks to me like Barak...not Barack. If that is the case why are the divorce papers different?


9,327 posted on 08/14/2009 7:38:20 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: All

THIS IS FOR EVERYONE SO PLEASE READ:

For a year now I’ve been sitting here reading all of this research and it so often seems to come to a dead end. All too often it is because we have questions that can only be answered by being physically in Honolulu or Seattle. Now I would be very happy if you would buy me a ticket to go there with a list of questions but I know that’s not going to happen. We need a FReeper who is already there and can discretely go about finding answers. There is one named BIGLOOK (I think) who has posted frequently about Honolulu on the “long” thread and others but he may be too old to do the snooping around that we need. Is it possible that we could put a request on the main board or the chat board to see if there is someone in one or both of these locations that could do something like this? We could just ask, “Is there anyone in FR-land who lives in Honolulu or Seattle that would be willing to help us find some reliable answers regarding 0’s birth and early life that have come up in our research?” We could set it up so that rather than identifying themselves on the thread they could do a private message to someone like BP2. We could check them out to make sure they are not trolls and we could make a list of things we want to know and then give it to them privately. And then our someone, like BP2, could relay to us whatever information was found. For example, this person could find the microfilm or fiche (whatever)and take a good close up picture of the screen. They could also search for the Nordykes for the rest of the month of August and take pictures whether they show up or not so that we can get a better idea of what the page really looks like. They could also see if they can find an original copy of the real newspaer that may be on file at the library or museum or university. They could call the DOH and ask them about why “African” is listed on a COLB in place of race (not just Obama’s specifically but any COLB)and if it is for the parent’s birthplace, why they wouldn’t have filled it with the name of the specific country like they did for my dad on the one I got from Missouri. There are lots of other things like this.

Or is this a crazy idea? I think we all have enjoyed the hunt but it is getting wearisome when we keep going around in circles at times.


9,328 posted on 08/14/2009 7:39:03 PM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: shield

save it, enlarge it, you will find the ‘c’ there.


9,329 posted on 08/14/2009 7:42:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks...I guess that’s a ‘c’...looks kinda like the ‘r’...


9,330 posted on 08/14/2009 7:47:09 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

Like the Afrikaner told Danny Glover, ‘But your blick!’


9,331 posted on 08/14/2009 7:53:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Albertafriend

FR mail...


9,332 posted on 08/14/2009 7:59:53 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Fred Nerks

It looks to me like it could a very sloppy hastily written a,like it may have been kind of awkward to sign it at the time. Arrrgh! Why does everything have to be so complicated?

When I have to sign for anything that gets delivered to me my nice neat signature always turns out so terrible people would think it was a forgery.


9,333 posted on 08/14/2009 8:06:32 PM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: GregNH

Has nobody actually looked, in person, at the microfilm of the newspaper announcements? Did all this hubbub grow from one anonymous post on the Texas Darlin’ blog? Has anyone queried the morgue of the Honolulu newspapers to see if one might access original copies? They likely keep a bound set.

Do any mainland city libraries have Honolulu newspapers on microfilm?

Someone with access needs to LOOK.


9,334 posted on 08/14/2009 8:19:32 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: thecodont; Fred Nerks

No. That process didn’t come into widespread use until the early 1970s.

The Hawaii newspapers were almost certainly still using linotype machines and lead in 1961, along with everyone else.


9,335 posted on 08/14/2009 8:34:23 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: Jedidah

but what about #9323?

far less complicated.


9,336 posted on 08/14/2009 8:48:05 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: mojitojoe; hoosiermama

Newspapers have what they call a “morgue,” where old copies are kept. In the past, the morgue was a place where clippings on many different subjects and people were carefully filed for access by editors and reporters doing research and getting background for stories they were working on. I’m sure that’s all done now by computer.

However, the papers almost certainly have bound copies of old editions. I don’t know if these would be accessible to the public.

Other possibilities:
http://libweb.hawaii.edu/libdept/womenbib/reference.html
Click on the “Newspaper Indexes and Clipping Files” link on the left.


9,337 posted on 08/14/2009 9:03:39 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: hoosiermama

I think I read that the people who lived at that address for over 40 years died (one or both of them) around the time of the election. Just like O’s white grandma. Hmmmmm.


9,338 posted on 08/14/2009 9:03:58 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: mojitojoe

Would someone please get this man some ice cream?


9,339 posted on 08/14/2009 9:05:07 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Jedidah

I am almost sure I read way earlier in the thread that a couple of Freepers went to HI during the election and made the library rounds and had no luck. I don’t remember why there was no result. Anybody remember this?


9,340 posted on 08/14/2009 9:10:14 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: mojitojoe

Oh dear, I said that before I saw your post about ice cream! Wanted to let you know that so you don’t think I was being rude.


9,341 posted on 08/14/2009 9:19:59 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Fred Nerks

Yes, but still . . .

The report of births would have come in (by either mail or messenger) from Vital Statistics, typed neatly on whatever form they used. Keep in mind that everything was still done by typewriter, with carbon paper, back then.

Being that this report of births probably ran every week, there was likely a “hole” waiting for it. Newsroom would likely not have re-typed it, but rather it would have gone straight to the copy desk where editors would have just marked it up (formatted, type size, page and column where it goes, etc.) in pencil and sent that same piece of paper to the backshop where the linotype operators would have set it in type.

In other words, the whole thing was probably on a single sheet of paper that didn’t pass through many hands. It would have taken some serious jiggering to change it.

Been there, done that. I’m speaking from experience.

It would have taken a serious conspiracy to get Barry O in the paper in that way, I doubt it could have been done, and I don’t think it would have been worth the effort.

If there was any fraud involved in 1961, it probably involved whoever typed the weekly report at the Vital Statistics office.

But the bigger question is whether that newspaper notice actually every ran or not.


9,342 posted on 08/14/2009 9:27:26 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: MHGinTN

With the right search engine and codes, we can see how the name has been reinvented from his first political office and now (interesting how Google does not show many of these articles ... there's dozens more ...):


The Collegiate Scholar Times
Morning Edition                                                                                                       February 6, 2004



 
Candidates Spend Saturday Preparing a Strategy

Democratic and Republican candidates in the Illinois Senate race prepared campaign strategies last week, and reporters from the Collegiate Scholar Times were there to capture all the action.  In the picture to the left Democratic Candidate Barak Obama is hard at work producing a campaign message.  The Obama campaign released a three point strategy on the economy, the community and education.  Touting Obama as a candidate who is experienced in life and law, they promised to say no to the Bush tax cuts, to raise the minimum wage, to meet  the needs of all communities, and to protect education for all income levels.
 

The photo to the right shows the Jack Ryan campaign hard at work developing a strategy for the Republican candidate.  Claiming that Jack Ryan is a new leader for a better Illinois this campaign also proposed a three point strategy.  They point to Ryan's position as a political outside, the claim he will protect equal opportunity in education and employment and they promise to return your tax money to your pocket.


On Saturday February 7th, the candidates will make their first speeches of the campaign.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- iMailTuesday, September 7, 2004
Senatorial candidate Barak Obama told a Galesburg, Illinois crowd that reversing the trend of sending America’s high paying jobs “starts right here, right now, with us.”

Local 2063 Hosts Jobs Rally

Hundreds of soon-to-be-furloughed Maytag workers, their families and supporters gathered over the Labor Day weekend to protest the impending shutdown of Maytag's Galesburg facility on Sept. 16. More than 1,600 factory jobs will disappear and thousands more in the surrounding area will vanish after Maytag completes its planned move to Reynosa, Mexico.

Illinois Senate candidate Barak Obama, Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), Galesburg Mayor Bob Sheehan and Knox County States Attorney Paul Mangieri joined IP Tom Buffenbarger and local union members calling for an end to the overseas exodus of high value U.S. manufacturing jobs.


9,343 posted on 08/14/2009 9:45:30 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

What would be BO’s motive/reason for changing his name from “Barak” to “Barack” after 2004, and even changing it in newer editions of his books??


9,344 posted on 08/14/2009 9:50:06 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Jedidah

However, the papers almost certainly have bound copies of old editions. I don’t know if these would be accessible to the public.

They are for a fee directly from the newspaper. You can get the phone number online. Most newspapers have an archive department and if they don't, the local university or private historical museums might. They will fax and/or scan the archived page directly to you. Tell them you're doing research for a family tree or doing a puff piece on the best president of the last 100 years, Barack Obama (but only on an empty stomach - barf).

Depending on the source, especially if I had direct access, I might trust a copy of a microfilm tucked away in some dark, forgotten university vs. asking for the newspaper staff to send me a copy of the paper. Less room for tampering, and you can search better than they can if they don't know exactly what you're looking for.


9,345 posted on 08/14/2009 10:00:15 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: thecodont; Fred Nerks; hoosiermama; LucyT; STARWISE
As we know, Ann has many, many aliases. So does Obama Jr.

We "know" the spelling of his name in his parent's 1964 divorce is Barack.

As Fred Nerks suggests, Obama seems to have come back from Africa in the early 80s using Barak. Perhaps it's because his father spelled his name that way too when he first arrived in Hawaii in 1959.

Barak Obama (center) and friends at a party given by Arnie and Suzie Nachmanoff, in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, in the early 1960's 

He went to Kenya to explore his roots in the early 80s. It seems that he "informally" used the spelling Barak vs Barack changed his name after he came back, at least in Chicago and with certain groups.


One has to wonder if the date of 08-19-96 on his Illinois driver's license record, nearly 4 years after he completed school at Harvard and was married by Rev. Wright in October 1992, covers up someone who briefly used Barak from circa 1982 to the early 1990s:

Obama Illinois Driver's License 1 Obama marriage certificate
9,346 posted on 08/14/2009 11:57:08 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Barry, Barack...

9,347 posted on 08/15/2009 1:06:17 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: thecodont

Lots of references to Barak campaigning for items dated 2006 and earlier ...
Marc's Voice

 Sunday, March 21, 2004

Congrats to Barak

Barak breaks the 20% rule. Superstitious about the 20% rule, I said nothing about my friend, Barak Obama, who has won (with a healthy 60% majority) the Democratic nomination for Senate in Illinois. Barak was an adjunct at the University of Chicago while I was teaching there, and then just as I left, became a regular professor. He is an astonishingly decent and bright forty-something star. Siva points to a great piece about the race. And keep your eyes on 2012: when he will no longer be known as the 5th whatever, but will become the 3d and 1st in one year. (Consider it the Lessig Sunday Puzzle). [Lessig Blog]

My father is a Chicago politician and gave me in the inside scoop on this election.  The old school Chicago Democratic party is still just as strong as it ever was concerning internal, local stuff.

But it's totally losing it's edge and control over statewide or national stuff.  They ran an old line cronnie who got hsi ass kicked by Barak.

Congrats to Barak.


I’m not sure what you mean by “3d”, but I assume “1st” is a reference to the first black President. I think Obama would make an excellent President, but I don’t think it likely that someone who’s name rhymes with Iraq Osama is likely to carry many more states than Illinois. Obama is very popular here in Illinois right now, but it may be prohibitively difficult to make a connection in the other 49.

Incidentally, I have heard at least two other commentators say they expect Obama to be President one day. Anyone who particularly wants to see a President Obama one day should probably start dropping his name in their writings now, and not stop stop until he’s elected. (Which, of course, some have begun to do.

» posted by Iain on Mar 21 04 at 8:18 AM

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BarakObama dot com - The Hilltop - Wed, Jan 17, 2006
The Hilltop - Wed, Jan 17, 2006

9,348 posted on 08/15/2009 1:07:05 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Fred Nerks; hoosiermama; David; LucyT; STARWISE

I find NO reference of Obama Jr using the spelling "Barak" until AFTER his trip to Kenya in the early
80s, which includes his first discoveries of his father, Barak Sr, pictured here in 1959 before meeting Ann:

Barack SR - 1959 (1 yr before mtg Ann)

Of course, we have a different name used by Obama Jr after his mother married Lolo Soetoro, circa 1966:
1967 - Obama Soetoro Indonesian School 1967 - Obama Soetoro Indonesian School Translation

Which differs yet again after Dec 1971, when his mom dumped him on the grandparents in Hawaii:
12 yrs - 1973 12 yrs - 1973
14 yrs - 1974 18 yrs - 1979


Obama Jr seems to have used "Barak", after visiting Kenya when meeting Barak Sr on his discovery tour, nearly only with black audiences.

He appears to have DROPPED the usage of that spelling when his presidential campaign started rolling in 2005. An FOIA check (or diligence by a group of Freepers) might determine if he used "Barak" on legal forms (drivers licenses, state income tax, vehicle registration, etc) while in:
-- California (Occidental)
-- New York (Columbia)
-- Massachusetts (Harvard)
-- Illinois (before running for office first in 1996)


9,349 posted on 08/15/2009 1:59:50 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2; Fred Nerks; hoosiermama; MHGinTN; Tennessee Nana; David; LucyT; All

I’ve spent the last couple of days looking up random names that have cropped up in this story and I am amazed at how many have some connection to the Communist Party. CPUSA.


9,350 posted on 08/15/2009 3:19:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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