Creationists Say Science and Bible Disprove 'Ardi' Fossil Is Evidence of Evolution (ABC News)

ABC News ^ | October 7, 2009 | RUSSELL GOLDMAN

[GodGunsGuts]

Discovery of 4.4 Million-Year-Old Fossil Does Not Shake Creationists' Faith

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN

Oct. 7, 2009

Sometimes an ape is a 4.4 million-year-old fossil that sheds light on the evolutionary origins of human beings, and sometimes… an ape is just an ape.

In the case of "Ardi," the ape-like fossil recently discovered in Ethiopia and already being celebrated as the oldest found relative of modern human beings, the final determination depends on who is doing the talking.

In one camp are evolutionary scientists who last week published and hailed the discovery of an upright walking ape named Ardipithecus ramidus, or "Ardi" for short, who made Ethiopia her home nearly 5 million years ago.

But despite the excitement from the paleontology community, another group of researchers, many of them with advanced degrees in science, are unimpressed by Ardi, who they believe is just another ape...

[P-Marlowe]

If it looks like an ape, walks like an ape, and talks like an ape, it must be an.... ancestor of Humans!

[GodGunsGuts]

If the dinosaur media just reported the news like the story above, the dinosaur media probably wouldn’t be the dinosaur media.

Here are some more links on “Ardi” for those who may have missed them:

http://creation.com/ardipithecus-again

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2355646/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2355199/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2353767/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2354167/posts

[GodGunsGuts]

LOL!

[caveat emptor]

[Wacka]

Nice picture of GGG!

[count-your-change]

I think the attack on Ardi will come from the supporters of “Lucy”, after all Lucy was the career building find and here, on National Television yet, NPR says Ardi is, “More important than Lucy”!!! Well, that just won't do, Lucy can't be upstaged by some retread composite hag.

[goodusername]

"If it looks like an ape, walks like an ape, and talks like an ape, it must be an.... ancestor of Humans! "

--Actually, if anything, it's anatomically closer to humans than to apes (as some of the links from GodGutsGuns explains); we know it 'walked' nothing like an ape (it wasn't a knuckle-walker); we have no idea how it 'talked'. But it must be… just an ape . :-)

[Oztrich Boy]

another group of researchers, many of them with advanced degrees in science

Don't need to go to the link: "researchers, many of them with advanced degrees in science" is code for Deluge-Creationists.

[fabian]

After many years and so so many fossils dug up, still no clear transitional fossils of one animal type into another. If there were, evolutiion macro would have been proven totally long ago. It stays alive only as a fantasy in the thoughts of those possessed by a spirit in hatred of God. Those unwitting dupes do not know that.

[svcw]

Bingo!

[NoGrayZone]

"If it looks like an ape, walks like an ape, and talks like an ape, it must be an.... ancestor of Humans!"

LMAO!!!!!!

[NoGrayZone]

I love your threads. Thanks for posting them !!

[NoGrayZone]

"After many years and so so many fossils dug up, still no clear transitional fossils of one animal type into another. If there were, evolution macro would have been proven totally long ago. It stays alive only as a fantasy in the thoughts of those possessed by a spirit in hatred of God. Those unwitting dupes do not know that."

Darwin also said fossils would prove it to be true. However, all evidence thus-far just proves him wrong. Some also indicate a "burst of life" from nothing.

[Behemoth the Cat]

"What creationists believe about human origins we get from the Bible,"

That's OK, just don't add science to the mix and keep happily believing. If, however, you treat the Bible as an exhaustive, non-allegorical treatise about cosmology and biology, then go back to the geocentric theory, because there are passages in the Bible supporting this model too.

[Ira_Louvin]

“Creationism is not based on scientific observation but on God's word. God created everything in six days, and that's it."

This quote is quite telling, it plainly shows the anti-science bias of the id/creationists/cdesign proponentsist

GGG, you have previously stated that all the available scientific evidence supports the id/creationists/ cdesign proponentsist, however menton is stating that “Creationism is not based on scientific observation” So who is correct?

If Menton is wrong on this how can we trust anything else that he says since it obviously is not based on scientific observation ?

[Ira_Louvin]

The scientists who have spent the past decade pouring over Ardi's fragmented skeleton believe she walked upright and that her teeth resemble modern human teeth more closely than they do those of a chimpanzee. Though they do not believe Ardi is a direct ancestor of humans or the long-sought "missing link," paleontologists say she helps show that both human beings and apes evolved from a common ancestor about 6 million years ago, that did not look much like either. Ardi, paleontologists say, was capable of grasping, something chimps need in order to climb in trees, but likely did not swing from branches the way modern chimps do.

So this fossil shows chartists of modern humans and apes, then how is this not a transitional fossil?

[YHAOS]

Beep!

[tpanther]

Don’t need to go to the link: “researchers, many of them with advanced degrees in science” is code for Deluge-Creationists.

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Huh?

Does that observation hold true to FR liberals that say things like...

“I say that as a true Christian”?

Or is this more liberal “we get to make rules we don’t intend to follow” nonsense?

[fabian]

Yes, this fossil shows that there was an ape like creature that walked upright. Of course there were upright apes...very similar to bigfoot which is probably a prehistoric left over. So what. That doesn’t prove evolution at all. Where are those thousands or millions of fossils that show many different speicies evolving into other types? You know, like the evolutionists put into school text books in illustration. They simply do not exist. End of story. Case closed for people with some commonsense left after public school brainwashing.