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Best ever find of soft tissue (muscle and blood) in a fossil (evos claim it is 18 mya!!!)
CMI ^ | November 11, 2009 | Carl Wieland

Posted on 11/11/2009 9:29:38 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

A salamander allegedly “18 million years old” is the latest fossil to produce astonishingly well preserved soft tissue. This time, it’s muscle tissue, and it is supposedly the most pristine example yet.

Background—the “dinosaur connection”...

(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...


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To: freedumb2003

Well then please tell us your natural explanation for where life came from? Did it really all happen by chance?! /s


21 posted on 11/11/2009 9:47:21 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

>>Well then please tell us your natural explanation for where life came from? Did it really all happen by chance?! /s<<

LOL


22 posted on 11/11/2009 9:48:21 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts; All

Nothing really to see here folks; unless watching a guy lie repeatedly is of interest.

Read the orignal article:

http://www.physorg.com/news176660912.html

rather than the mendacious propaganda posted by GGG and you´ll see that the scientists found extraordinarily well preserved, *fossilized* soft tissue elements of the Salamander rather than the more commonly found bone or dental elements.


23 posted on 11/11/2009 9:48:26 AM PST by Natufian
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To: GodGunsGuts
Whenever I want unbiased stories
about Science I always go to the
Creation Ministries Institute.


24 posted on 11/11/2009 9:50:06 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Creationists: The crazy Aunts and Uncles of Conservatism.)
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To: gun_supporter

“Have you been to this website before? I would venture to guess that 99% of Freepers are creationists.”

No way!


25 posted on 11/11/2009 9:53:35 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: GodGunsGuts; Porterville

Thanks...

How cool.


26 posted on 11/11/2009 9:54:59 AM PST by marron
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To: freedumb2003; GodGunsGuts
"AND you have previously posted this:"

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. - Albert Einstein.

Maybe GGG doesn't think he will get his ass handed to him again.....LOL

27 posted on 11/11/2009 9:55:39 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s not a different story on the same subject. It’s the same silly salamander story. (note the alliteration) Did I say anything about your penguin story? Apparently you simply weren’t satisfied with the response from the first one, so you posted it again from a different “source”. As far as exposing freepers to your posts, I’m a fan of the Friday Silliness threads, so why not yours? I was just hoping for some originality instead of clogging up the site with re-posts.


28 posted on 11/11/2009 9:56:23 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: gun_supporter
I would venture to guess that 99% of Freepers are creationists.

I am a creationist. God created the heavens and the Earth. But I do not believe that it was only six thousand, or sixty thousand, or six hundred thousand years ago.

A day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day (at the time that was written most folks had no concept of millions, let alone billions). What is a few billions of years to The Eternal?

When we finally meet Him, He'll clarify it all for us. What is important right now is that we accept the sacrifice of His only begotten Son as our salvation.

29 posted on 11/11/2009 9:56:27 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Natufian
Wrong again, Natufian. The authors of the paper say that the "the muscle tissue is organically preserved in three dimensions, with circulatory vessels infilled with blood."

Or how about this from Schweitzer re: T. rex:

“ In modern bone, removing the minerals leaves supple, soft organic materials that are much easier to work with in a lab. In contrast, fossilized bone is believed to be completely mineralized, meaning no organics are present. Attempting to dissolve the minerals from a piece of fossilized bone, so the theory goes, would merely dissolve the entire fossil. But the team was surprised by what actually happened when they removed the minerals from the T. rex femur fragment. The removal process left behind stretchy bone matrix material that, when examined microscopically, seemed to show blood vessels, osteocytes, or bone building cells, and other recognizable organic features.”

30 posted on 11/11/2009 9:59:23 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: gun_supporter

Hah!

Wishful thinking on your part.


31 posted on 11/11/2009 10:01:13 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: BrandtMichaels
Well then please tell us your natural explanation for where life came from? Did it really all happen by chance?

The real question. When God created Man, did he cross his arms and blink (Jeannie style) or wiggle his nose (Samantha style).

32 posted on 11/11/2009 10:01:54 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: marron

You might also be interested in reply #30. All the best—GGG


33 posted on 11/11/2009 10:02:02 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: tnlibertarian

Also see #30...that should really make you mad, as I keep posting it over and over and over to incredulous evos.


34 posted on 11/11/2009 10:03:10 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I'll let HT verify it.............

35 posted on 11/11/2009 10:03:28 AM PST by Red Badger (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: Red Badger

It was only a matter of time ;o)


36 posted on 11/11/2009 10:04:39 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: edcoil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman


37 posted on 11/11/2009 10:04:58 AM PST by Red Badger (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Don't hold your breath GGG, Darwinists are anti-creation not pro-science. Evidence means nothing to them in the slightest, especially if it shows that creationists line of thinking appears to be more accurate. They would much rather play dating guessing games then face the reality of scientific evidence that God may have actually created the universe.

If all these soft tissue findings hold up, then there is no more evidence needed to show that the current dating techniques are a complete joke and all of Evolution must be brought into question and removed from its pedestal in science.
38 posted on 11/11/2009 10:07:55 AM PST by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: Jaime2099

EXCELLENT POINT, JAIME!


39 posted on 11/11/2009 10:09:32 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Wrong again, Natufian. The authors of the paper say that the “the muscle tissue is organically preserved in three dimensions, with circulatory vessels infilled with blood.””

Oh, come off it. Your wilful misrepresentations would be irritating if they weren´t so laughable. I´m sure that you´re aware that lying to further the cause is only valid in Islam.

Here is an abstract from the actual paper presented by the scientists who did this research on the fossolized salamander:

“The very labile (decay-prone), non-biomineralized, tissues of organisms are rarely fossilized. Occurrences thereof are invaluable supplements to a body fossil record dominated by biomineralized tissues, which alone are extremely unrepresentative of diversity in modern and ancient ecosystems. Fossil examples of extremely labile tissues (e.g. muscle) that exhibit a high degree of morphological fidelity are almost invariably replicated by inorganic compounds such as calcium phosphate. There is no consensus as to whether such tissues can be preserved with similar morphological fidelity as organic remains, except when enclosed inside amber. Here, we report fossilized musculature from an approximately 18 Myr old salamander from lacustrine sediments of Ribesalbes, Spain. The muscle is preserved organically, in three dimensions, and with the highest fidelity of morphological preservation yet documented from the fossil record. Preserved ultrastructural details include myofilaments, endomysium, layering within the sarcolemma, and endomysial circulatory vessels infilled with blood. Slight differences between the fossil tissues and their counterparts in extant amphibians reflect limited degradation during fossilization. Our results provide unequivocal evidence that high-fidelity organic preservation of extremely labile tissues is not only feasible, but likely to be common. This is supported by the discovery of similarly preserved tissues in the Eocene Grube Messel biota.”

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2009/10/09/rspb.2009.1378.abstract


40 posted on 11/11/2009 10:15:54 AM PST by Natufian
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