Skip to comments.ATF’s Fast and Furious Seems Colored With Shades of Iran/Contra Scandal (Here come the CIA Spooks)
Posted on 07/11/2011 5:06:57 AM PDT by RummyChick
The acting head of ATF (the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) has seemingly blown the cover of both DEA and FBI informant operations in order to spare his own neck and to deflect blame away from a badly flawed operation undertaken by his own agency.
In doing so, ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson has also left open the door to the house of mirrors that always comes into play when U.S. interests intersect with foreign affairs.
(Excerpt) Read more at narcosphere.narconews.com ...
“Former deep undercover DEA agent Mike Levine, who has extensive experience working in Latin America, offers his take on ATFs Fast and Furious, a view that is grounded in first-hand knowledge of the drug war and its sordid history:
Running guns into Mexico into the hands of criminals? There can be no objective to this but death, and lots of it.
The events in Operation Fast and Furious are eerily identical to those surrounding the arrest of General Ramon Guillen Davila, a CIA asset who was [indicted for] smuggling a ton of cocaine into the US [in] 1996, in what was described as an intelligence gathering operation, the problem being that no intelligence was ever gathered and that the ton was only one of many other similar shipments of cocaine that actually hit the streets of the U.S. by way of CIA agents.
If I were a criminal profiler, it wouldn’t take much to identify a CIA pattern here [with Fast and Furious]: A wacko, barroom commando, illegal operation that makes no sense whatsoever, run outside the control of law enforcement.”
What’s this crap about Melson doing this to spare his own neck?
This started before he got there and he’s the only one cooperating with the investigation.
If he’d clammed up, we’d have nothing to work with!
Let me place myself in Melson’s shoes.
I am head of the ATF an have been told to lay off this operation,because it is sanctioned by the White House.
Next thing I know they are setting me up as the scapegoat and trying to get me to resign while all the blame is tossed onto my back.
Would I sing? I would make Pavarotti look like a mute.
Lots of Gunwalker content over the weekend...
It is clear to me he is doing it to save his neck.
They wanted to make him the scapegoat.
The real question to me is just how far can this go when it does appear that Mike Levine is right:
“If I were a criminal profiler, it wouldn’t take much to identify a CIA pattern here [with Fast and Furious]: A wacko, barroom commando, illegal operation that makes no sense whatsoever, run outside the control of law enforcement.”
Progressive 2nd Amendment Hater:
"Those gun shows have to be stopped."
"All those guns from gun shows end up in Mexican drug cartels."
Progressive 2nd Amendment Hater:
"It would be great if you could prove that, then we could make all guns illegal in the USA."
"Consider it my campaign promise."
I hear Obama was getting guns to Honduran Communists.
This leads to Holder. Hussein has probably protected himself with layers of deniability.
Holder is accessory to murder and the ring leader. He lied to Congress, obstructed justice, and punished whistleblowers. Those are not official duties of the Attorney General. He deserves death penalty after jury trial for being accessory to murder. Alternatively, he can be extradited to Mexico to face justice.
This is also RICO conspiracy.
We need two special prosecutors, not linked to Hussein or Democratic party.
Let’s remember a few things:
Los Zetas were part of a larger cartel until Obama takes office in 2009.
Then, in early 2010 Los Zetas breaks away as an independent group, dedicated to Marxism, the overthrow of the Mexican gov’t and allegedly affiliated with Hezbollah.
Fast & Furious funnels weapons primarily to Los Zetas.
The only “usual suspect” missing from this scandal is George Soros!
CIA does trump all.
“In fact, it may well have been co-opted and trumped by a covert U.S. intelligence agency operation, such as one run by CIA, that is shielded even from most members of Congress possibly even the White House, if it was launched under a prior administration and parts of it have since run off the tracks on their own.”
It gets down to who gets the blame.
Is Obama going to lay it at the steps of the CIA. They ran it off the tracks and he didn’t know???
Don’t forget that Holder suddenly dropped a CIA investigation.
This is going to get messy.
I believe there is no way Holder didn’t know those guns were walking. But perhaps he was told by the CIA to let it happen.
The CIA has been involved with all kinds of sordid endeavors..and this has the hallmarks of yet another one.
The Zetas guy claims that the Gulf Cartel had far better access to guns from the US.
Remember that the goal in many CIA ops is the overthrow of Governments. Sometimes they are successful..sometimes not - like Castro.
I thought for months that something was strange about all of these leaders being overthrown - some who had been in power for decades.
It is possible that the CIA was trying to overthrow the Mexican Goverment.
Or maybe really, the claims are true that the CIA has often been behind the sale of drugs in the US - for various agendas throughout history.
Whatever the case, we may never really know the truth.
But Obama will skate on this one - even though he had to know and probably okayed it. I doubt it was his own idea. He is just a bumbling figurehead.
Yes, but Los Zetas did not exist under Bush as a separate group. They only came into their own as a powerful force in Mexico one year after Obama was innaugurated.....conveniently with CIA and DOJ assistance.
Zambada Niebla is with Sinaloa.
His jailing conditions are suspect.
I think the CIA doesn’t want him talking to anyone because of the tales he would tell.
It is quite possible that the CIA/DOJ/FBI/ATF et al were supplying guns to all of them.
The story about the crash of the Gulfstream with the cocaine is interesting.
I just hope Issa gets to the bottom of this and doesn’t get shut down under the guise of National Security.
Panetta and Petraeus wouldn't be pleased... It could be very dangerous for Obama to piss off two CIA directors.
In one of the stories I read on this the author was talking about how Panetta was sent over to the CIA by Obama to get it under control - and instead Obama lost control of Panetta.
The White House loses when it tries to battle the CIA - has the White House really ever won a battle with them. They always pay a price for every battle.
Was the CIA involved in the Assassination of Kennedy? Who knows..but it will always be part of the speculation.
Poor Abraham Bolden paid a price when he tried to testify about what he knew of two previous plots to kill Kennedy.
You don’t mess with the CIA.
Wonder if Bush the “elder” can call an old friend and uncover the “connection” to Obozo.
This is a messy turf for Obozo.
He has been rumored (suspect he claims) to have worked for the Muja in Afghanastan. Have discounted those claims but this is the world he is playing with.
We need an “old spook” to shine the light of day and expose the poser who resides at 1600 Penn. Ave.
I hadn’t heard this claim.
All of his information is down a black hole- even before he was elected.
There are missing pieces to his mother’s story .
An Old Spook might shine some light on whether his mother’s info looks like she worked for the CIA -especially the info as it pertains to Indonesia.
I believe she did .
Maybe Obama did and went off the reservation...except then he wouldn’t have been elected President.
Whatever he did, it was okayed by the CIA.
“Former deep undercover DEA agent Mike Levine, who has extensive experience working in Latin America,....”
This, right here, is the CIA disinformation spin starting HARD....which means they’re scared Obammy and Holder are going to blow chunks all over them as this erupts on up the chain into the White House