Posted on 11/30/2011 6:59:15 AM PST by Notwithstanding
It looks like the Cain guys are going to Newt.
How do you feel about Newt's stance on illegals?
Do you know how old Cain is??
he could be stronger on that issue and many more, but honestly at this point I just want to stop Romney.
Perry has attacked him many times.
50 seconds after your post...they are slowing down a bit
Ding Ding...we have a realist!
Congragulations
Next debate is Dec. 10th in Iowa...there will be a few more before the Iowa caucus. Should prove to be very interesting. I love to hear the candidates and base my decisions on what they say rather than the msm spinners that come on afterwards
I'd like to ask Gingrich supporters a question - I don't even want to hear an answer to it - this question is just for you to ask yourself;
Do you really believe that the media (FOX included) is going to let there be a debate between Newt & Obama, like the Lincoln/Douglas debates - or any other non-rigged for that matter? The media will do anything they need to do to make their boy look good - the kind of debate you are looking for will never happen. Also, whether you want to admit it or not - the presidency is pretty much won by people who are photogenic. How do you think Newt is going to look on stage next to Obama? Obama looks young and fit - Newt looks old and fat.
Who do you think will listen to conservatives more? After you say, neither... if you were forced to choose?
Newt appears to like Cain too. They seem to have a closer “bond” than any of the other candidates. Wondering IF Newt wins....would he give Cain a cabinet appointment?
Haven’t heard them attack Romney much either and I get the feeling Fox News supports Romney. It is as if he is the “chosen” one by the media elitists. Even Sabato was telling the dems how to go after Newt. Imus said, “Romney is his man”
“How do you feel about Newt’s stance on illegals?”
It’s not pretty and isn’t going to get accolades among conservatives, but it’s realistic. The Federal Government is not and probably should not spend significant resources chasing down illegals who have been here long term. I prefer the “self deport” option anyway. Arizona got it right; target the employers, and the illegals leave.
This talk about immigration is misplaced. We’re looking at the wrong door; it’s time to start looking at the talented entrepreneurs within the U.S. who are picking up their marbles and heading for the exits.
And who is "we"? Speak for yourself please.
It's not my stance, but it's better than Obama's and it's better than what Romney's stance was until last week.
If I were a single-issue voter on immigration, I would not be supporting Newt.
I'm not, and I am.
Would love to see the heads spin here if Cain were to endorse Newt.
The only thing more delicious would be if Palin endorsed him.
I agree with you on that. I've made no secret of the fact that I am a Perry supporter. I guess what I'm trying to say - is for people to give Perry another look. None of the candidates are perfect, and all of them have holes big enough to drive a truck through. BUT, if people can overlook Newt's flaws so that Romney can be defeated - why not put your support behind a candidate that has a proven pro-business, pro-states rights, pro-social conservative issues, record?
Perry's no debate-savant like Gingrich is - but as I pointed out up-thread - the media is never going to let Gingrich beat Obama in a debate. It's just not going to happen, so the debate prowess point is a moot point in my opinion. Perry has a proven record to put up against Obama's - I'm just asking - would you give Perry another look? Or just not rush to support another candidate until you've honestly looked at the pros and cons of each of them?
It seems like there is a group of people I see here on FR and in my everyday life - that just flits from one candidate to another. They seem to choose the candidate that the media is nudging (flavor of the week) and then when that candidate starts getting torn down - they flit to the next 'golden child'.
It's getting late in the process, conservatives need to start coalescing behind one candidate. We need to stop sampling the flavors of the week and make an intelligent, reasoned choice based on reality, and not a scenario we dream it will be.
I don't want to argue about this, I'm just expressing my opinion. I would like for us to stop with the circular firing squads here, stop with the personal insults, stop with the emotional attachments - AND - start debating among ourselves in a way that we can open ourselves to rational decisions. Have a good day everyone!
ok ...all these polls are lying...aren’t they always lying when freepers disagree with them but they are solid gold when they do
in 2008, Chet (zot) and I told folks insistently that when all the polls run in a trend they are not all “lies”.
Folks here think it’s still Dewey time. It’s not, polls are relatively accurate when taken as an aggregate.
Frankly I wish it were not so since it can preempt elections a bit with media trotting them out
I’m not necessarily against Newt, I just think we have better candidates to choose from. One issue a lot of you Newt backers are not thinking about is when Team Obama goes on the offensive should Newt win the nomination. I think they effectively take him down with attacks on his integrity and adulterous past. It wasn’t too long ago that we the republicans removed Newt as a political force in our party due to the same reasons. Has time and distance forgiven him? Perhaps so. I actually supported him early on before Perry entered the race for the same reasons many of you support him. I just believe his sustainability might be short-lived against an Axelrod smear process. Perry doesn’t face this issue and that’s the least of why I support him, but of growing importance.
The only way that can happen is if no candidate goes into the convention with a majority. Delegates are obligated to vote with thier state obligations on the first ballot, and if a candidate won more than 50%, its over. As cash poor as these campaigns are, I dont see more than 2 still running by the end of January, and I dont see Mittens getting more than 30% of the delegates no matter how you slice it. In short, no way it is going to be a brokered convention.
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