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Dozens of women want Bronze Age hunter's babies
Ananova ^ | 4/24/03

Posted on 04/25/2003 10:35:13 AM PDT by SteveH

Dozens of women want Bronze Age hunter's babies

Dozens of women have asked to be made pregnant by a prehistoric iceman who died 5,000 years ago.

The body of "Otzi the Iceman" was discovered by hikers in 1991 as ice melted in the Schnalstal glacier, high in the Italian Alps.

Alex Susanna, director of the Bozen Museum where his body is exhibited, says requests have been received by many women wanting to have Otzi's babies.

He told Austrian broadcasting company ORF that all of the requests had been turned down, not least because Otzi's penis had decayed away.

Otzi was found half emerged from the ice and his body was first thought to be that of a modern climber. Closer examination showed he was still wearing goatskin leggings and a grass cape.

His copper-headed axe and a quiver full of arrows were found nearby and radio-carbon dating showed the body was more than 5,000 years old.

Story filed: 10:26 Thursday 24th April 2003


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; archaeology; babies; bronzeage; elvis; ggg; glacier; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; hunter; iceman; ivf; oetzi; otzi; sex; survivor; theiceman; women
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1 posted on 04/25/2003 10:35:14 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH
Where were these women when I was single?
2 posted on 04/25/2003 10:37:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: SteveH
LOL. I bet Bill Clinton wishes he could be frozen for a thousand years.
3 posted on 04/25/2003 10:38:09 AM PDT by RepPhil
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To: SteveH
He told Austrian broadcasting company ORF that all of the requests had been turned down, not least because Otzi's penis had decayed away.

LOL.

4 posted on 04/25/2003 10:38:51 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: SteveH
>>"His copper-headed axe and a quiver full of arrows were found nearby and radio-carbon dating showed the body was more than 5,000 years old."


Sorry ladies, it seemd his quiver was full.
5 posted on 04/25/2003 10:39:49 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (It's amazing how Hollywood and their Liberal friends redefine words like "Free Speech, Blood Money")
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To: SteveH
The penis is a delivery mechanism like a missile ... the gonads and sperm are the warhead.

If his balls aren't frozen off, then Iceman can probably still have descendents.

Nevermind that this is bizarre in the extreme but hey ... it's Old Europe.

6 posted on 04/25/2003 10:42:35 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: SteveH
Otzi's penis had decayed away.
7 posted on 04/25/2003 10:44:01 AM PDT by EggsAckley ( Midnight at the Oasis)
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To: SteveH
Are we to the point that women have become so stupid that they do not realize the impossibility of being impregnated by a dead man?
8 posted on 04/25/2003 10:46:54 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: EggsAckley
Otzi's penis had decayed away.

A prime example of "use it or lose it" if I ever saw one....

9 posted on 04/25/2003 10:46:55 AM PDT by luckodeirish (Kiss me, I'm Irish)
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To: RepPhil
I bet Bill Clinton wishes he could be frozen for a thousand years.
Nawww.....wifey beat him to it.

-Eric

10 posted on 04/25/2003 10:47:48 AM PDT by E Rocc (The difference between Democrats and diapers is diapers are more likely to be replaced when full.)
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To: Centurion2000
A 5,000 year old Italian Stallion !
(And the Libs are still shooting blanks.)
11 posted on 04/25/2003 10:48:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SteveH
Every time I think I've heard it all, something like this comes up.
12 posted on 04/25/2003 10:48:38 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Ping :)
13 posted on 04/25/2003 10:49:38 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: RepPhil
What is with these people? These women with the Ice Man and Clinton with the mummy?
14 posted on 04/25/2003 10:50:20 AM PDT by landerwy
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To: SteveH
At a science web site he is referred to as a 'mummy'.
Shouldn't he be a daddy?

Kidding aside...

Even if this daddy 'could' father children.

I think it would he a violation of his civil liberties to
force him to father a child.

15 posted on 04/25/2003 10:53:56 AM PDT by Wake Up America
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To: Constitution Day
I agree... LOL
16 posted on 04/25/2003 10:54:25 AM PDT by just me
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To: SteveH
He told Austrian broadcasting company ORF that all of the requests had been turned down, not least because Otzi's penis had decayed away.

Otzi just need to get an email-address and he'll presently hear from the incredible number on .net merchants bent on selling penises by the yard :)).

17 posted on 04/25/2003 10:57:57 AM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: RepPhil
LOL. I bet Bill Clinton wishes he could be frozen for a thousand years.

It would make him a perfect match for the female mummy he found so attractive.

18 posted on 04/25/2003 11:03:32 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: SteveH


Iceman, at home in the Alps

19 posted on 04/25/2003 11:04:00 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: SteveH
We have enough neanderthals already.
20 posted on 04/25/2003 11:09:08 AM PDT by Consort
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To: RepPhil
Welllllllllllll,

at least his

uhhhhhh closest excuse for values

were fossilized back at the time of

Soddom and Gomorrah.

21 posted on 04/25/2003 11:10:40 AM PDT by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: SteveH
Wonder how they will enforce the child support judgment?
22 posted on 04/25/2003 11:10:49 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Technically not impossible if they try to clone the Iceman.

Genetic scientists would use his DNA (if it can be extracted intact and undamaged from his cells) to implant into human egg cells that have been emptied of their genetic contents. These cells subsequently are implanted in the surrogate mother - who has no genetic connection to the resulting male offspring.

There are huge technical problems in just getting to the implantable embryo stage (hundreds of failures per success) and there are high rates of abnomalities in the offspring that make it to term. There have been recent scientific articles expressing extreme reservations about cloning higher level mammals for these reasons. It is unlikely any reputable genetic scientist or fertility doctor would be willing to undertake the attempt.

The Raelians...like I said, reputable.

The final question is ...why??

The Ice Man has little significance genetically since he is a modern human (Homo Sapiens Sapiens). There are presently about 4 billion of that particular genotype alive today. Further, since we already have his DNA to study, why would we need a living example? So, outside of the sheer notoriety, why would any woman want to have such a child - especially when the risk of abnormality is so high?




23 posted on 04/25/2003 11:21:36 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make alot more sense to you!)
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To: SteveH
This is all because Otzi's TV show is such a big hit. I bet if some woman had his baby, the kid would grow up and bite the head off a bat, just like his bronze age dad.

Or something ...

24 posted on 04/25/2003 11:46:05 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Captain Rhino
You said 4 billion Homo Sapiens Sapien. Are ther 1+ billion people in other genotypes? If so, which?
25 posted on 04/25/2003 11:47:52 AM PDT by LPStar
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To: Centurion2000
I believe his entire "package" is missing.
26 posted on 04/25/2003 11:47:58 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: SteveH
Seems to me that this could be an excellent opportunity to play a sick practical joke on some weird women.
27 posted on 04/25/2003 11:51:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Centurion2000
The Iceman cometh.
28 posted on 04/25/2003 11:59:29 AM PDT by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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To: SteveH
An old penis nevers dies it just decay`s away.
29 posted on 04/25/2003 12:00:14 PM PDT by goose1
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To: RepPhil
. I bet Bill Clinton wishes he could be frozen for a thousand years.

I'll donate if it will get the snowball rolling!
30 posted on 04/25/2003 12:01:32 PM PDT by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: AppyPappy
Where were these women when I was single?

Out dating other guys that they thought were more fun. On the bright side, though, you'll probably get to pay the child support for these kids......

31 posted on 04/25/2003 12:03:08 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Question_Assumptions
I believe his entire "package" is missing.

Ack no wonder he froze to death .... who'd want to live after losing it ?

32 posted on 04/25/2003 12:07:27 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Cachelot
>>>>>the incredible number on .net merchants bent on selling penises by the yard<<<<<<

Selling Yards by the Yard?
33 posted on 04/25/2003 12:07:28 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: SteveH
How will they sue for child support?
34 posted on 04/25/2003 12:10:12 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
I was wondering who would be the first...
35 posted on 04/25/2003 12:13:58 PM PDT by gridlock
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To: AppyPappy
Age makes us men more alluring. I can't wait to be 5000 years old!
36 posted on 04/25/2003 12:18:10 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: from occupied ga
an excellent opportunity to play a sick practical joke on some weird women

I once responded, with my resume, to a lady looking for a male to father a child.
She specified a "natural impregnation."

I never heard from her. Do you think I should have left the vasectomy off the medical information?

37 posted on 04/25/2003 12:18:53 PM PDT by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: SteveH
I have to believe that, even if fertilization was possible, these children would suffer the risk of a whole slew of maladies that have largely "evolved" away. But then, I don't mean to suggest that these women are intelligent enough to figure that out.
38 posted on 04/25/2003 12:19:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: SteveH
I've had worse dates.


39 posted on 04/25/2003 12:44:38 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death)
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To: SteveH
read later
40 posted on 04/25/2003 1:00:05 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: LPStar
Sorry, I'm a billion behind in the count...
41 posted on 04/25/2003 1:04:09 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make alot more sense to you!)
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To: Centurion2000
His last words to his friends, "I'm freezing my nads off out here."
42 posted on 04/25/2003 1:04:44 PM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: SteveH
They'll change their tune when they realize how difficult it will be to extract support from him..
43 posted on 04/25/2003 1:06:29 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (Sammy to Frodo: "Get out. Go sleep with one of your whores!")
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To: Captain Rhino
These cells subsequently are implanted in the surrogate mother - who has no genetic connection to the resulting male offspring. Actually, if the donor ova are taken from the woman in whose body the conceptus will gestate, the resulting birth would be related genetically to the Mother, the donor, due to the prescence of mitochondrial DNA, at least! Your mitochondrial DNA comes down through the woman's side of the gene pool.
44 posted on 04/25/2003 1:11:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: scholar
"Closer examination showed he was still wearing goatskin leggings and a grass cape."

I'm going to have to look into getting some of those leggings & a cape like that.

Sounds like one hellova come-on ploy to me if it's still working after 5,000 years?

... :^)

45 posted on 04/25/2003 1:16:40 PM PDT by Landru
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To: Question_Assumptions
I believe his entire "package" is missing.

I seem to recall that when he was first discovered in the Alps, there was a persistent rumor that a hiker (this later even morphed into a female hiker) had run off with the "package" before the mummy could be recovered by scientists for preservation and study in the lab...

46 posted on 04/25/2003 2:36:23 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: MHGinTN
I am not a microbiologist, so I could be in error here.

My understanding of the procedure (from reading and watching what are said to be examples of the procedure on television) is that the entire contents of the egg are extracted. This would necessarily include the egg donor's mitochondrial DNA. Since the Ice Man's genetic material is a complete set of genes, it would, of course, contain his mother's mitochondrial DNA. But none of resulting individual's DNA would contain any of the egg donor's/surrogate mother's mitochondrial DNA. Consequently, my claim that the surrogate mother would have no genetic connection to the resulting male offspring.

This is not to say the surrogate mother has no biological connection to the child. After all, it would be her uterus that supported the child to term. As biological studies increasingly reveal, the physical, mental, and emotional health of the mother during pregnancy can have a dramatic impact on fetal development. Unfortunately, if she does everything right, the Ice Man genes would develop unaltered in the best possible prenatal environment. If she abuses drugs, alcohol, is exposed to hazardous chemicals/environments, is abused, in an accident, etc. she will impact the child and perhaps alter his genetic make-up; usually for the worst if past experience is any guide.
47 posted on 04/25/2003 2:37:59 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make alot more sense to you!)
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To: Captain Rhino

The final question is ...why??

The Ice Man has little significance genetically since he is a modern human (Homo Sapiens Sapiens). There are presently about 4 billion of that particular genotype alive today. Further, since we already have his DNA to study, why would we need a living example? So, outside of the sheer notoriety, why would any woman want to have such a child - especially when the risk of abnormality is so high?

Why do (some) women throw themselves at sports stars? Why do (some) women throw themselves at convicted high-profile murderers? Why do (some) women throw themselves at (fill-in-the-outrageous-blank)?

There's no point in asking.

48 posted on 04/25/2003 2:43:22 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Out dating other guys that they thought were more fun. On the bright side, though, you'll probably get to pay the child support for these kids......

Barf. Please don't remind me...

49 posted on 04/25/2003 2:45:45 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Captain Rhino
Actually, only the nuclear material is removed ... it's calle enucleation ... then the nuclear material of the donor is inserted. But the mitochondrial DNA remains within the egg. Another method used prior to perfecting enucleation was to zap a donor cell alongside an enucleated (half the chromosome complement of a maturing ovum) ovum, and hope the two cells combine; lots of 'anomalies resulted'. Enucleation/insertion technique was called (may still be) 'the Hawaiian technique'.
50 posted on 04/25/2003 2:48:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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