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Date Limit Set On First Americans
BBC ^ | 7-22-2003 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 07/22/2003 6:11:50 PM PDT by blam

Date limit set on first Americans

By Paul Rincon
BBC Science

A new genetic study deals a blow to claims that humans reached America at least 30,000 years ago - around the same time that people were colonising Europe.

Kennewick Man, a 9,300-year-old American

The subject of when humans first arrived in America is hotly contested by academics.

On one side of the argument are researchers who claim America was first populated around 13,000 years ago, toward the end of the last Ice Age. On the other are those who propose a much earlier date for colonisation of the continent - possibly around 30,000-40,000 years ago.

The authors of the latest study reject the latter theory, proposing that humans entered America no earlier than 18,000 years ago.

Great migration

They looked at mutations on the form of the human Y chromosome known as haplotype 10.

This is one of only two haplotypes carried by Native American men and is thought to have reached the continent first. Haplotype 10 is also found in Asia, confirming that the earliest Americans came from there.

The scientists knew that determining when mutations occurred on haplotype 10 might reveal a date for the first entry of people into America.

Native Americans carry a mutation called M3 on haplotype 10 which is not found in Asia. This suggests it appeared after people settled in America, making it useless for assigning a date to the first migrations.

But a mutation known as M242 looked more promising. M242 is found in Asia and America, suggesting that it appeared before the first Americans split from their Asian kin.

Contentious claim

Knowing the rate at which DNA on the Y chromosome mutates - errors occur - and the time taken for a single male generation, the scientists were able to calculate when M242 originated. They arrived at a maximum date of 18,000 years ago for its appearance.

This means the first Americans were still living in Asia when M242 appeared and could only have begun their migration eastwards after this date.

"I would say that they entered [America] within the last 15,000 years," said Dr Spencer Wells, a geneticist and author who contributed to the latest study.

In 1997, a US-Chilean team uncovered apparent evidence of human occupation in 33,000-year-old sediment layers at Monte Verde in Chile.

They claimed that burned wood found at the site came from fires at hunting camps and that fractured pebbles found there were used by humans to butcher meat. But the interpretation of these remains has been questioned by several experts.

Bone returns

The debate over the biological origins of the first Americans has wide-ranging political and racial implications.

In the US, the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (Nagpra) has resulted in the handover of many scientific collections to claimants.

Some archaeologists argue that the remains of early Americans are sufficiently different from their descendents to be exempt from Nagpra.

For example, a 9,300-year-old skull from Washington State known as Kennewick Man has been interpreted as looking European due to its long, narrow (dolichocephalic) skull shape. More recent American populations tend to have short, broad skulls.

Dr Wells said individuals such as Kennewick Man looked this way because Europeans and early Americans had a common origin around 35,000-40,000 years ago in south-central Asia.

Record erased

"[Dolichocephaly] is a general feature of very early skulls," Dr Wells told BBC News Online.

He said a later migration into America from East Asia 6,000-10,000 years ago associated with the spread of Y chromosome haplotype 5 could have been responsible for the Asiatic appearance of many present-day Native Americans.

But Dr Wells acknowledged the possibility that even more ancient American populations carrying unidentified Y chromosome haplotypes could have been swamped by later migrations, resulting in their genetic legacy being erased.

"We can't rule that out," he said, "but in science we have to deal with what's extant."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americans; archaeology; clovis; date; first; ggg; gigo; godsgravesglyphs; history; limit; mtdna; preclovis; precolumbian; solutreans
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I notice they didn't mention one word about the dental study don ASU professor Christy Turner. It shows a distinct difference.
1 posted on 07/22/2003 6:11:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Spirit Cave Man is the oldest, 9,400 years old, mummy ever found in the Americas, he died in his mid-40's in a cave in Nevada.

2 posted on 07/22/2003 6:14:43 PM PDT by blam
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looks like they're talking about this guy
3 posted on 07/22/2003 6:21:06 PM PDT by agitator (Ok, mic check...line one...)
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To: blam
Why do they keep saying "swamped" when "eaten" is probably more appropriate.
4 posted on 07/22/2003 6:22:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
mtDNA is much more reliable than looking at bones or their fossils. I remember posting an article a while back that seemed to prove a Euro origin for the lake Indians. I'm sure you were on that thread. I will have to withold my judgement...
5 posted on 07/22/2003 6:25:14 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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"The scientists knew that determining when mutations occurred on haplotype 10 might reveal a date for the first entry of people into America. "

And that sentence would fit freakishly well into any Star Trek episode..
6 posted on 07/22/2003 6:26:14 PM PDT by Monty22
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There's not just Monte Verde, there's also a Brazilian site I believe.
7 posted on 07/22/2003 6:41:35 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: blam
I notice they didn't mention one word about the dental study don ASU professor Christy Turner. It shows a distinct difference..

Also I notice that there is no mention of the "African Eve" DNA fiasco.
For whatever reason, these Einsteins just won't give up.

I believe the true picture will emerge only long after the PC BS is long gone and buried; Including the "noble savage" we-copied-out-constitution-from-stone-age-savage-cannibals delusional mindless extrapolations.

8 posted on 07/22/2003 6:48:35 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: blam
Captain Picard was the first American!!!!????
9 posted on 07/22/2003 6:50:43 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: FastCoyote
"There's not just Monte Verde, there's also a Brazilian site I believe."

Yes, there are a number of other older sites. You're probably talking about Pedra Furada 32,000-48,000 years old in Brazil.

10 posted on 07/22/2003 7:00:27 PM PDT by blam
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But Dr Wells acknowledged the possibility that even more ancient American populations carrying unidentified Y chromosome haplotypes could have been swamped by later migrations, resulting in their genetic legacy being erased.

There's your answer! Otherwise, all the latest discoveries; Spirit Cave, Topper, Monte Verde, Big Eddy, Meadow Cave, etc, are all wrong on their dates.

11 posted on 07/22/2003 7:02:18 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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BUMP!


I LOVE these articles you post! Bookmarking for later reading.
12 posted on 07/22/2003 7:09:15 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( ....I kind of miss Tanya Harding.......life was so simple then.........)
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To: Publius6961
The PC police are desperate to damage the real science of these bones. This seems more an effort to protect indian casinos than to find out if the North American continent was a little more diverse than the PC nazis would like.
13 posted on 07/22/2003 7:09:31 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Alas Babylon!
"Spirit Cave, Topper, Monte Verde, Big Eddy, Meadow Cave"

Sounds like part of tomorrow's line at Belmont! My pick of the day: Topper! (of course!)
14 posted on 07/22/2003 7:12:13 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Alas Babylon!
"There's your answer! Otherwise, all the latest discoveries; Spirit Cave, Topper, Monte Verde, Big Eddy, Meadow Cave, etc, are all wrong on their dates."

Yup, you get it.

I haven't read anything about the Topper site for a couple years now.

15 posted on 07/22/2003 7:15:37 PM PDT by blam
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To: jocon307; blam
New theory on the peopling of America from Europe (Clovis --Solutrean link)! Click here! (new article in Mammoth Trumpet)
16 posted on 07/22/2003 7:16:26 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: agitator
Oh Wait, I'm getting a concept here....Star Trek episode....Picard must go back in time to stop the Borg.....winds up in N. America 10K years ago...stops the Borg but is killed in the process...bones become Spirit Cave Man.....Enterprise retreves the fossils, and extracts DNA to make new Picard, then implants clone with all his memories, which were saved in Cmdr. Data's memory banks before the mission....


I'll shut up now.
17 posted on 07/22/2003 7:20:02 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: jocon307; Alas Babylon!
The Topper Site: Pre-Clovis Suprise.
18 posted on 07/22/2003 7:20:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: Alas Babylon!
"New theory on the peopling of America from Europe (Clovis --Solutrean link)! Click here! (new article in Mammoth Trumpet)"

Good Article. These (Solutreans) seems to be the folks linked with the Topper site, (and others) on the east coast of the US.

19 posted on 07/22/2003 7:29:23 PM PDT by blam
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To: Tribune7
Sure! Didn't you see Star Trek XV?
20 posted on 07/22/2003 7:39:18 PM PDT by Reverend Bob (Emoticons are for people that can't handle irony.)
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