Skip to comments.Mexico Archdiocese Investigating Possible Eucharistic Miracle
Posted on 08/04/2013 6:09:58 AM PDT by marshmallow
Mexico City, Mexico, Aug 2, 2013 / 12:33 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Msgr. Ramiro Valdes Sanchez, vicar general of Guadalajara, Mexico, has announced that the archdiocese is investigating a possible Eucharistic miracle that reportedly took place last week.
Msgr. Valdes Sanchez said he has received instructions from the archbishop of Guadalajara, Cardinal Jose Francisco Robles Ortega, to direct the investigation.
The pastor of Mary Mother of the Church, Father Jose Dolores Castellanos Gudino, said that on July 24, while he was kneeling in prayer before the Blessed Sacrament, he saw a flash of light and heard a voice.
Ring the bells so that everyone comes, the voice allegedly instructed. I will pour blessings upon those present and the entire day. Take your small tabernacle for private adoration to the parish altar and put the large monstrance next to the small tabernacle. Dont open the tabernacle until three in the afternoon, not before.
I will perform a miracle in the Eucharist, the voice continued, the miracle that will take place will be called, Miracle of the Eucharist in the incarnation of love together with our Mother and Lady. Copy the image that I will give you now and show it to others.
The voice then reportedly told him to share this with all of his priests to aid in their conversion and that he would fill all souls with blessings.
Fr. Gudino said that after hearing the voice he could only say, My Lord, I am your servant, let your will be done.
With local people gathered at 3 p.m., he recounted that he approached the tabernacle and upon opening it the host consecrated by Our Lord Jesus Christ was covered in blood.
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Someone is trying to tell us something...
the language in this is a little mixed up. Is there a second account somewhere?
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Matthew 24: 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Well hello narses! Nice to see you again. That in response to a scripture verse ey! High class!
Then was offered to him one possessed with a devil, blind and dumb: and he healed him, so that he spoke and saw. And all the multitudes were amazed, and said: Is not this the son of David? But the Pharisees hearing it, said: This man casteth not out the devils but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Matthew 12: 22-24
Matthew 24: 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
You see, Christ was answering a question about the signs of the end of the world.
Mathew 12 was what Christ was doing while He was alive. In chapter 24 He was warning us what to look for and that there would be those who would try to mimic what He did but they would be false.
But then you would have known all that if you truly studied scripture wouldnt you.
Your point, if I understand it correctly, is that phenomena such as the alleged Eucharistic miracle reported here, are deceptions of the devil.
My point is that the Pharisees made precisely the same argument regarding the miracles of Jesus Himself.
And Jesus explained them both. His were real the ones towards the end of the world will be fake.
The Pharisees may be gone but Phariseeism lives on.
Be careful when you blithely dismiss reports of the miraculous............
I see a lot of snotty down nose looking on both sides of this rancor... where IS Christ in this? Yoo hoo Jesus???
Now of course don’t knock the “evangelical model.” That’s what I clearly stand for. Some Roman practices deflect glory from God — e.g. Mary can’t glorify God for you, when God is wanting you to do it yourself. But the evangelical model doesn’t include telling Roman Catholics that they’re dirty nothings, at least until you’re willing to cede that you’re a dirty nothing too and need Jesus to reach out to anyone else in invitation to salvation.
When we give or receive Christmas gifts; or hang green wreaths in our homes and churches, how many of us know that we are probably observing pagan customs...the god, Woden, in Norse Mythology, descends upon the earth yearly between December 25th and January 6th to bless mankind...But pagan though they be, they are beautiful customs. They help inspire us with the spirit of 'good will to men', even as the sublime service of our Church reminds us of the peace on earth which the babe of Bethlehem came to bestow (Externals of the Catholic Church, 140).
As well with other pagan practices by the Catholics.
We need not shrink from admitting that candles, like incense and lustral water, were commonly employed in pagan worship and the rites paid to the dead. But the Church from a very early period took them into her service, just as she adopted many other things indifferent in themselves, which seemed proper to enhance the splendor of religious ceremonial. We must not forget that most of these adjuncts to worship, like music, lights, perfumes, ablutions, floral decorations, canopies, fans, screens, bells, vestments etc. were not identified with any idolatrous cult in particular; but they were common to almost all cults (Catholic Encyclopedia, III, 246.)
Of course God says something different.
Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God
Catholics cant deny that the RCC has incorporated pagan practices into its practices. The RCC itself admits that it does. The RCC refuses to hear the words of the Lord.
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. (Jer.44:16-17)
I simply posted a verse from scripture of Jesus words. I didnt make any statement in regards to the words of Jesus. It seems Jesus words elicited a rather interesting reaction from you.
Cynical, I see some legitimate concerns and some bad theology together here.
Legitimate in that it’s possible that an adopted custom too casually approached can pull a Christian into old, sinful practices. Bad theology in that yes, Jesus does have the authority to literally snatch stuff from Satan and make it holy (and by the way it is one of the greatest spiritual thrills to witness this). We are not talking about Old Testament practices where the absolute conquering Christ had not yet walked the earth.
Could you please show the post of someone calling Catholics dirty nothings? I simply posted a verse from scripture of what Jesus said.
Your point is that the verse from Scripture applies to this alleged Eucharistic miracle which is therefore a deception of the devil.
And supernatural events can be caused by agents that are not God or righteous angels, of course. Does God get the direct glory from witnesses is a good touchstone.
Examples and scriptural reference please.
My observation is that 9 times out of 10 when a Catholic complains about being bashed by an evangelical, an overly broad accusation has been leveled... the word of God has to be used with careful accuracy and appropriate to the situation. It will be a “what are you doing” kind of question. We ain’t apostles, we don’t get privilege to fire broadsides at congregations we never founded.
He led captivity captive and gave gifts to men. Now go study. It sounds like you want to quibble, not learn from the Holy Spirit!
Now, if you could find from scripture for me where it is prophesied that there will be increased legitimate miracles in these last days we can discuss those.
Sadly I do see implied broadside here. Won’t work, not that the event isn’t to be questioned, but that’s not HOW it is to be questioned!
But your words declaiming that “paganism” disappear, are you ashamed of your own beliefs?
Oh really? Are we to follow scripture or no?
James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
If standing on scripture is quibbling in your view so be it.
So that's not your point?
So you're not dismissing, out of hand, the possibility that the alleged Eucharistic miracle might be the work of God?
Have I got that right?
Jesus words of warning about what will be happening in the end times are somehow not the way? Really?
Im ashamed of none of my beliefs. I just pointed out to you that the RCC itself admits that they came from paganism as I have always stated.
Like I said, show me the prophecy from scripture that says those types of miracles will occur during these end times and we can discuss them.
Well, I guess before we do that, we'd first have to figure out why you've concluded that these are definitely the "end times" but I digress.........
Back to the alleged Eucharistic miracle.....just to clarify. You don't definitively rule out that this could be the work of God, right?
Or do you?
Until you can produce prophecy that this type of thing will be happening I will stand on Jesus words of warning. You will have to show scripture that counters Jesus warning.
So you just kinda figured that God has quit working miracles or something? Ergo, this must be bogus?
You need a special prophecy that God is still on the job?
So why do your words get deleted when I repeat them for you? Perhaps you could let the RM know you are proud of your beliefs maybe?
Oh God is still on the job. He told us what would be happening. Jesus words were rather specific. Surely you can show scripture reference. If not, why would we not stay with what Jesus said?
I dont do the deleting nor do I make the rules dear.
Your post was removed for once again bringing the quote from another Freeper forward from a prior thread. Carrying an argument from thread to thread is against the guidelines for the Religion Forum.
A scripture reference to what, exactly?
That miracles can still happen in 2013? Is that the gist of your ridiculous rambling?
How about....... "I will be with you always, even until the consummation of the world"??
You waiting for a rapture or something?
That those types of miracles are still to be expected. Jesus told us to expect the false and fake and that seems to be the last word on miracles.
>>How about....... "I will be with you always, even until the consummation of the world"??<<
What? You need to see miracles to prove God is still with us? Really? If that is how He told us to know surely you can show the scripture. He did say I have told you in advance.
Matthew 24: 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25 Behold, I have told you in advance.
Now surely you can show from scripture that we are to expect those types of miracles today and how to tell they are real. Surely Christ would not have left us with no clue.
“Carrying an argument from thread to thread is against the guidelines for the Religion Forum.”
What argument? These are the stated beliefs of the poster. How are sincerely held beliefs “arguments”?
2 Timothy 3:1 Know also this, that, in the last days, shall come dangerous times.
2 Timothy 3:2 Men shall be lovers of themselves, covetous, haughty, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, wicked,
2 Timothy 3:3 Without affection, without peace, slanderers, incontinent, unmerciful, without kindness,
2 Timothy 3:4 Traitors, stubborn, puffed up, and lovers of pleasures more than of God :
2 Timothy 3:5 Having an appearance indeed of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Now these avoid.
2 Timothy 3:6 For of these sort are they who creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, who are led away with divers desires :
2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of the truth.
Even if it's not the End Times when, so they say, Jesus Christ surrenders to Satan then has a major party for the egotists among us, at the very least such folks are identical to those we're told to avoid in the above Scripture.
So, avoid them. They have to play little restatement and redefinition games to avoid being caught in their own contradictions anyway, so why bother? They've joined the ranks of those who worship their Self and their Self Alone denying the power of the Holy Spirit and elevating their own self into the Trinity in place of the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit takes a 2x4 to their thick skulls, then maybe something other than their Self Alone will matter to them. If not, they've decided to spend eternity worshiping their Self.
When the narcissistic Self and Self Alone heresy drips off someone like Spanish Moss, avoid them.
OK, I was correct. You want a scriptural reference that miracles still happen in 2013. Right?
So, once again..... you want to make what point about the alleged Eucharistic miracle?
You've already told us that you're not saying that the alleged Eucharistic miracle is definitely a deception of the devil (see post #27 above).
You're saying it might be a deception of the devil.
Or it might not.
Is that it?
I saw this story on the news/noticias on Telemundo last week.
Cant find any scriptural support for miracles like that today? Looks like I will have to stand on Jesus warning and consider it from Satan.
Right. Of course you do. It's obvious to everyone that this has been your point since you entered the thread. I said the very same thing to you back in post #22.
Your point is that the verse from Scripture applies to this alleged Eucharistic miracle which is therefore a deception of the devil.
Your response was to deny it........vehemently and tell me I was wrong, in post #27:
Wrong! I simply posted it as a word of caution from Jesus as to what will be during these end times.
You can't even get your own story straight.