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Is Jesus Christ God?
Christian Answers ^ | 2012 | Various

Posted on 12/22/2013 7:28:20 AM PST by DouglasKC

“The Christian faith has not been tried and found wanting. It has rather been found difficult and left untried.” —Chesterton

I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.The story of Jesus is either the greatest event in history or the cruelest hoax. If it is a hoax, then the whole of the Christian message crumbles together with the hopes of those multitudes of lives built on his name. The apostle Paul said:

“And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.” -1 Corinthians 15:14-19 (NKJV)

But if the story is true, then this world has been hit with extraordinary news of earth-shaking consequences. Have you taken the trouble to decide which it is?

In a matter this weighty, it is in your interest to explore the truth or falsity of Christ's claims. Amazingly however, many people who don't believe have never bothered to explore the evidence in support of Jesus,[1] but to the contrary, often run away from it. At the same time, many Christians themselves are not sure, at bottom, whether the claims of their faith are solid. Is the Christian claim a hoax? Is it just wishful thinking? Or is it actually true?

(Excerpt) Read more at christiananswers.net ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: christianity; god; historicity; historicityofchrist; historicityofjesus; jesus; trinity
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1 posted on 12/22/2013 7:28:21 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

YES. Next question.


2 posted on 12/22/2013 7:38:46 AM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: DouglasKC

Jesus Christ was exactly who and what he claimed to be.


3 posted on 12/22/2013 7:39:02 AM PST by rdcbn
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To: DouglasKC

1. Jesus claimed to be God. That’s why the Jews crucified him... So... He was just another lunatic nutjob cult figure, or He was AND IS Who He claimed to be.

2. The Deity of Jesus is proclaimed throughout scripture without a doubt. As a matter of fact, the bible proclaims this particular doctrine as THE KEY to testing whether someone is aligned with the Holy Spirit or with the Anti-Christ. Jesus said Himself you are either for me or against me. Rejection of Jesus as God places you AGAINST Him.


4 posted on 12/22/2013 7:39:06 AM PST by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: DouglasKC

YES


5 posted on 12/22/2013 7:39:34 AM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: DouglasKC

YES


6 posted on 12/22/2013 7:39:55 AM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: DouglasKC

I’m gonna have to disagree with y’all!


7 posted on 12/22/2013 7:40:34 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Tennessee Nana

And you won’t want to miss this little anti-Christ fluff from that same poster ...


8 posted on 12/22/2013 7:43:39 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Safrguns
The Deity of Jesus is proclaimed throughout scripture without a doubt. As a matter of fact, the bible proclaims this particular doctrine as THE KEY to testing whether someone is aligned with the Holy Spirit or with the Anti-Christ. Jesus said Himself you are either for me or against me. Rejection of Jesus as God places you AGAINST Him.

Can you post those scriptures please?

9 posted on 12/22/2013 8:08:45 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Safrguns

I thought it was the Romans who crucified him. He was a Pharisee all his adult life hence the title “rabbi”.

The Jews always get a bad rap.


10 posted on 12/22/2013 8:09:39 AM PST by onedoug
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To: DouglasKC

I believe in the Holy Trinity.
Yes it is difficult to understand, and I am sure I do not understand if , but I believe it.


11 posted on 12/22/2013 8:12:37 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Buying into heresy, are you?


12 posted on 12/22/2013 8:13:44 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DouglasKC

13 posted on 12/22/2013 8:15:41 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Catholic Word of the Day: HERESY, 09-21-13
They Just Won't Go Away: Ancient Heresies in Post-Modern Dress (Ecumenical)
Radio Replies Second Volume - Eutychianism
Radio Replies Second Volume - Nestorianism
Radio Replies Second Volume - Arianism
Radio Replies Second Volume - Manichaeism
Radio Replies Second Volume - Defections From the Catholic Church
Radio Replies Second Volume - Gnosticism
Marcionites

Nestorius on Mary as the Mother of God (Ecumenical)
The Day Nestorius Rocked the Church and an Empire
How Quickly Catholic Heresy Took Over the Church (Immediately)
Hilaire Belloc’s “The Great Heresies” now available in EPUB format
Chapter 6: The Modern Phase [The Great Heresies]
Chapter 5: What Was The Reformation? [The Great Heresies]
Chapter 4: The Albigensian Attack [The Great Heresies]
Chapter 3: The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed [The Great Heresies]
Chapter 2: The Arian Heresy [The Great Heresies
Chapter 1: Scheme Of This Book [The Great Heresies]

Introduction: Heresy [The Great Heresies]
The Great Heresies
John Calvin’s Worst Heresy: That Christ Suffered in Hell
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Succumbs to Heresy
The Bishop Discovers Heresy?
From Orthodox to Heresy: The Secularizing of Catholic Universities
Progressivism/Liberalism is Heresy [Excellent read & reference]
Is heresy better than schism? [Ecumenical]
Modernism: The Modernist Heresy
THE GREAT HERESIES-THE MODERN PHASE

The Protestant Heresy
The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene
Americanism, Then and Now: Our Pet Heresy (encyclical of Pope Leo XIII)
Heresies then and now: ancient Christian heresies practiced in modern times
The Plain Truth About The Baptist Bride Heresy
Balthasar, Hell, and Heresy: An Exchange (is it compatable with the Catholic faith?)
Know Your Heresies
The Rev. John Piper: an interesting look at "heresy vs. schism"
Pietism as an Ecclesiological Heresy
Heresy
Arian Heresy Still Tempts, Says Cardinal Bertone (Mentions Pelagianism As Well)

Catholic Discussion] Church group stays faithful (to heresy!)
An overview of modern anti-Trinitarian heresies
Where heresy and dissent abound [Minnesota]
Gnostic Gospels - the heresy entitled "Gnosticism."
Christian mavericks find affirmation in ancient heresies
The So-Called ‘Gospel’ of Judas: Unmasking an Ancient Heresy
Benedict XVI Heresies and Errors
Donatism (Know your heresies)
The Heresy of Mohammed (Chapter 4, The Great Heresies)
Father & Son Catholic Writers Tag-Team Old & New Heresies

14 posted on 12/22/2013 8:15:57 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: onedoug

Not true. Re-read the account. Pilate only wanted to scourge Jesus and be done with it. The Jewish leaders threatened to go tell Caesar that Jesus declared Himself king and was a traitor to Caesar. The Jews were behind the crucifixion all the way. The Romans carried it out.


15 posted on 12/22/2013 8:31:03 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: DouglasKC

I say yes and so is The Holy Spirit. What say you?

Thanks for posting this, though.


16 posted on 12/22/2013 8:31:08 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: BipolarBob

Sadducees or Pharisees? There’s a difference.


17 posted on 12/22/2013 8:34:33 AM PST by onedoug
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To: DouglasKC

Catholic belief is succinctly expressed in the profession of faith or credo called the Nicene Creed:

The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.


18 posted on 12/22/2013 8:43:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DouglasKC

>>> Can you post those scriptures please?

Do you question the Deity of Jesus?

Are you looking for an argument? or for answers?

I could post scriptures till I’m blue in the face,
and it won’t do you any good if your objective is simply to deny the obvious.

How about we just start with the name the Angels said He would be called... Emanuel... Which means “God With Us”.
Appropriate considering the season, and the Gospels where this is found.


19 posted on 12/22/2013 8:43:27 AM PST by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: onedoug

It doesn’t matter which, in order to refute his erroneous assertion in the matter of Jewish vs. Roman guilt.


20 posted on 12/22/2013 8:44:49 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Nice post... applies to previous request of me.


21 posted on 12/22/2013 8:45:02 AM PST by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: Salvation

Depends on how you define heresy.

Jews have defined God as being non-corporeal and can never be human for the last 3000+ years. This has caused many problems for them to the point of death for not deviating from this basic belief.

Then if you go to the Christian’s replacement Torah (aka The New Testament) and look up John 4:24 it says the following.

(King James Version)
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

(NASB)
God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

(NIV)
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Even the Renegade Rabbi (aka Jesus, aka Yeshua, etc.) made it pretty clear that he was a separate, distinct and unique individual had a very close relationship with God just like anybody else can and will one day on a large scale. In the first Temple period the spirit of the Torah was followed but not the letter. In the second Temple period the letter of Torah was followed but not the spirit of it. Your rabbi accomplished following it both in spirit and the letter. He encouraged all Israelis to get back to those basics and follow that balanced path. This caused no end of problems to the political and religious establishment that had been Hellenized for quite a while. Think of Hellenized Jews as being similar to those in the GOP-E/Dem parties and those in very Leftist Churches. Hellenistic Judaism was a form of Judaism in the ancient world that combined Jewish religious tradition with elements of Greek culture.

If you look at all of the pagan cultures including the ancient Greeks that God/gods can take human form. Christianity inherited that. Think of it as legacy code in an computer OS.

I know what I have said will ruffle a lot of feathers but basic belief has done so for a very, very, very long time.

So on this issue I am proud to be an FR heretic!


22 posted on 12/22/2013 8:47:42 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Safrguns
Do you question the Deity of Jesus? Are you looking for an argument? or for answers

I could post scriptures till I’m blue in the face, and it won’t do you any good if your objective is simply to deny the obvious

I'm simply requesting to see the scriptures that you referenced. I think it would be educational and beneficial for all and I promise I won't argue.

23 posted on 12/22/2013 8:47:57 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

My Father and I are One. My Father is in Me and I in My Father. And if you are in Me then My Father that is in Me is also in you. (This is what Communion is all about)

I remember Jesus saying to the Pharisees while quoting the OT scripture.. “Doesn’t your scripture say that you too are Gods?”

People need to understand this concept... If you think of Russian Nesting Dolls where God is the outermost big doll and we are the little doll in the middle, Jesus would be one of the dolls between us and God. We can’t get to God except by going through Jesus. But yet God is in us and so is Jesus. That is why both God & Jesus are omnipresent.

When you go within, you can experience Jesus and God first hand, already here. This is one of the reasons that Jesus said to His disciples when He sent them out...”The things that I do and more, you to shall do in my name.” We truly are capable of much more than most people realize. But when we are able, we have no need to elevate self by proclaiming it to others, except as our Father guides us to use our gift to give validity to His word.


24 posted on 12/22/2013 8:48:39 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Safrguns; DouglasKC
How about we just start with the name the Angels said He would be called... Emanuel... Which means “God With Us”.
That's a pretty weak argument. I mean everyone called Emanuel before or since is . . . what??

Appropriate considering the season, and the Gospels where this is found.
What season is it? Winter soltice season? Is Christmas a Scriptural holiday? Quote book, chapter and verse please. Did Jesus (Our Example) celebrate Christmas?? His Apostles??

25 posted on 12/22/2013 8:50:05 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: tired&retired
People need to understand this concept... If you think of Russian Nesting Dolls where God is the outermost big doll and we are the little doll in the middle, Jesus would be one of the dolls between us and God. We can’t get to God except by going through Jesus. But yet God is in us and so is Jesus. That is why both God & Jesus are omnipresent.

Thanks...

26 posted on 12/22/2013 8:52:39 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

No if one takes what the Scriptures say.


27 posted on 12/22/2013 8:54:52 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: BipolarBob

I think it does. Modern Judaism comes directly from the Pharisee movement, as did Jesus. One is flawed, the other not? Interesting.

Disclaimer: Hyam Maccoby, “Revolution In Judaea: Jesus And The Jewish Resistance”


28 posted on 12/22/2013 8:55:03 AM PST by onedoug
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To: tired&retired

You folks are so silly... Don’t just argue with each other like to professors both trying to support their own identity by convincing others that their logical theory is correct, jump in and experience Christ. He is real and so is His Father.

It is interesting that when you go within and look toward God, at first all you see is light. This is for the same reason that Neals Bohr, the Dutch Atomic Physicist who discovered the atomic structure and electron orbitals found that when an electron goes from an outer orbital to an inner orbital it gives off Light..... Consciousness does the same thing. It’s the reason we see light around the saints... I see this around ministers when they are truly allowing God to speak through them.

This is why God is Light...... When you raise yourself to a higher level within by cleansing your soul, you too can become light to others. A better conduit for God’s Will.


29 posted on 12/22/2013 8:55:05 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Jesus also prayed.


30 posted on 12/22/2013 8:55:42 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: count-your-change
No if one takes what the Scriptures say.

What scriptures are you referring to?

31 posted on 12/22/2013 8:57:34 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

How many Scriptures do Christians have?


32 posted on 12/22/2013 9:01:17 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: tired&retired

Just a few other tidbits.... When you go within, you too begin to realize that other people exist within your soul and we are all one. The mechanics of the soul are relatively simple when you see it physically. Interesting thing is how close it resembles atomic structure on a higher scale...

When two souls marry and become one it is very similar to a covalent bond.

When a single individual reaches toward God to find what is missing within, it is very similar to an ionic bond.

Just as electrons in an orbital spin in opposite directions, so does the masculine and feminine aspect of the soul.

There are so many things that appear to be the same that it just blows me away. Experience it as it is real....


33 posted on 12/22/2013 9:03:57 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: BipolarBob

>>>>I mean everyone called Emanuel before or since is . . .what??

Misnamed by their parents.

>>> What season is it? Winter soltice season? Is Christmas a Scriptural holiday?

The fact that Christmas is not a scriptural holiday is irrelevant. The gospels begin with the Christmas story as we celebrate it.

As for the test I referenced, it is in 1st John:

1Jo 4:1

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:


Your responses have answered my first question.
Your objectives appear clear.
I am not interested in arguing scriptures with you.
Let me know in private when you are looking for answers.

In the meantime, take a good look at post 13.
It has lots of scriptures referenced.


34 posted on 12/22/2013 9:05:25 AM PST by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: onedoug
I think it does.

Well I guess that settles it right there. You could write books and volumes on the differences of two branches of ideologies and never address the issue that was brought up on guilt. But what difference does that make as long as you thrall us with your acumen?

35 posted on 12/22/2013 9:07:48 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Hydrazine, you’re too flammable, maybe even poisonous. Gyromitra esculenta, the false more, contains Gyromitrin, a chemical which contains small amounts of N-methyl-N-formyl hydrazine, a substance very similar to rocket fuel and a very strong carcinogen. Better think twice before taking your advice. Just a thought.


36 posted on 12/22/2013 9:12:56 AM PST by Fungi
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To: DouglasKC

bump


37 posted on 12/22/2013 9:13:19 AM PST by Oratam
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To: James C. Bennett

Yeppers like any observant Jewish man is whether 2000 years ago or today. The times change but the story stays the same.

From a Kabbalistic perspective men are created with three less body parts than women making us not as perfect as women.

In order to make up for problem a Jewish man does the three following...

1. Study the Torah,
2. Tefila (prayer),
3. and Mitzvot (acts of kindness, good deeds per the Torah)

The Renegade Rabbi did all three both by the letter of Torah as well as by the spirit. By doing so he was loved and hated for it.


38 posted on 12/22/2013 9:17:06 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Safrguns
Your responses have answered my first question.
I didn't see the question but I am glad to be of service.
Your objectives appear clear.
Transparency is just one more service I offer.
I am not interested in arguing scriptures with you.
Well it's not a contest but if you're afraid you'll lose . .
Let me know in private when you are looking for answers.
Sure. You'll be the first person I'll look for if I need answers.
39 posted on 12/22/2013 9:17:06 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

No “thralling” intended, sir. Though I do wonder other things, such as why Jesus made the Lord’s Prayer so universal in scope. And why he gave fealty to The Law.

But I will say this: America could never have been founded without Jesus’ example. And that’s no small thing.


40 posted on 12/22/2013 9:19:54 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Fungi

Now you know why I go by my FR screen name. I’ve been this way for quite a while and don’t plan to reverse it except maybe after I take my last breath.


41 posted on 12/22/2013 9:20:11 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: DouglasKC

It is easy to come to a wrong conclusion if you start with a wrong premise.


42 posted on 12/22/2013 9:21:33 AM PST by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: Fungi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyromitra_esculenta

Although potentially fatal if eaten raw, Gyromitra esculenta is a popular delicacy in Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and the upper Great Lakes region of North America. Although popular in some districts of the eastern Pyrenees, it is prohibited from sale to the public in Spain. It may be sold fresh in Finland, but it must be accompanied by warnings and instructions on correct preparation.

Although it is still commonly parboiled before preparation, recent evidence suggests that even this procedure may not make the fungus entirely safe,[1] thus raising concerns of risk even when prepared properly. When consumed, the false morel’s principal active agent, gyromitrin, is hydrolyzed into the toxic compound monomethylhydrazine (MMH). The toxin affects the liver, central nervous system, and sometimes the kidneys. Symptoms of poisoning involve vomiting and diarrhea several hours after consumption, followed by dizziness, lethargy and headache. Severe cases may lead to delirium, coma and death after 5–7 days.


43 posted on 12/22/2013 9:22:26 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Oratam

Jesus is the Son of God? Jesus is then like God but not the Creator. A thought from a. Follower of Jesus.


44 posted on 12/22/2013 9:23:50 AM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: TNoldman
Jesus is then like God but not the Creator.

And how did you come to that conclusion? He certainly had powers to raise the dead (Lazarus). He was able to lay His life down and arise again. What more proof do you need He had the power to create?

45 posted on 12/22/2013 9:29:53 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Thank you sir, for your most eloquent explanation. Far better than I could write. I stand with you, Jesus was the Son of God, it was the Christ he expressed is what made him the master. Heretics R Us.

Merry Christmas.

46 posted on 12/22/2013 9:31:22 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (Dear Santa....I can explain.)
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To: Venturer

I’m with you brother. Jesus is who he says he is, and how great that is for us! I always think of the song Amazing Grace on articles like this. One of my most favourite songs ever.


47 posted on 12/22/2013 9:33:30 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: rdcbn

That is correct, and Christians of today have used systematics and untrue translations to make him a God, when truly there is only one God, his father...whom he obviously stated was the one in charge and to whom he did the will of. There is a present day apostasy that denies the very obvious and only the most gullible of Christians are willing to fall for it. Very sad.


48 posted on 12/22/2013 9:34:12 AM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: DouglasKC

Yes.


49 posted on 12/22/2013 9:40:00 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Isaiah (non replacement scripture)

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

50 posted on 12/22/2013 10:14:36 AM PST by DManA
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