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Pornography in Clay
DER SPIEGEL ^ | 14/2005 - April 4, 2005 | Matthias Schulz

Posted on 04/15/2005 8:42:19 PM PDT by tbird5

New pornographic figurines from the Stone Age have been discovered in Germany. But researchers can't agree on what the 7,000-year-old sculptures mean. Were our ancestors uninhibited sex fiends, or was reproduction strictly controlled to improve mobility? An increasing number of finds seem to indicate the Stone Age was an orgy of sexual imagination.

The project itself was far from extraordinary. Workers near the Eastern German city of Leipzig were digging a ditch for a new gas line. Hum drum. But what they discovered was far from routine. A backhoe unearthed a 7,200-year-old, Stone Age garbage pit -- and it was filled with refuse from some of the first farmers on the European continent. Moreover, upon rushing to the site, archeologists discovered an 8.2 centimeter (3.2 inches) clay torso buried underground. The legs, abdomen and head were missing, but, according to the lucky archeologists, the figure still had its most important features intact: a "well-shaped behind" and a "short, but impressive" penis.

Since its discovery on August 19, 2003, the partially intact "Adonis from Chernitz" -- as it has been dubbed -- has been creating quite a stir at the state office of archeology in Dresden. Sculptors have carefully recreated the curve of the figure's buttocks and other anatomical minutiae are also clearly visible. Archeologist Harald Staeuble is amazed at the detail.

He's not the only one. The find is clearly a remarkable one -- and is the oldest clay figure ever found anywhere in the world.

(Excerpt) Read more at service.spiegel.de ...


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KEYWORDS: archaeology; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history
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1 posted on 04/15/2005 8:42:19 PM PDT by tbird5
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To: tbird5

Did the ancient folks have to wrap them in plain brown wrappers? :-)


3 posted on 04/15/2005 8:44:52 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: tbird5

"short, but impressive" penis."


Hey...thats my line


4 posted on 04/15/2005 8:45:29 PM PDT by sierrahome (Department of Redundancy Department)
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To: tbird5

Gumby with a woody?


5 posted on 04/15/2005 8:46:51 PM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: tbird5

"anatomical minutiae"

Don't EVER say that to a guy!


6 posted on 04/15/2005 8:47:11 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (When we are tolerant, we should be careful to note whether it stems from convenience or conviction.)
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To: tbird5
Probably a part of fertility cult with similar stone artifacts known in other places. But blessed are the prudish at heart, for they shall see sex everywhere.
7 posted on 04/15/2005 8:49:43 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: tbird5

Sir...Sir, pardon me, but my wife was just admiring your "short, but impressive" penis.


8 posted on 04/15/2005 8:51:02 PM PDT by sierrahome (Department of Redundancy Department)
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To: tbird5
"Woof! And I thought I was horny!"

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9 posted on 04/15/2005 8:51:04 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

BTTT


10 posted on 04/15/2005 8:52:27 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: sierrahome

Fairly into doggie-style, must be my ancestors.


11 posted on 04/15/2005 8:52:48 PM PDT by keat
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To: tbird5
...a "short, but impressive" penis.

That's not the penis, you dumbsh!t.

12 posted on 04/15/2005 8:53:51 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: tbird5

bttt


13 posted on 04/15/2005 8:54:10 PM PDT by Kay Syrah (--)
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To: tbird5
New pornographic figurines from the Stone Age have been discovered in Germany. But researchers can't agree on what the 7,000-year-old sculptures mean.

Especially, the figurines of the caveman with the bulbous nose and the herpes lip and the other caveman with the huge jowls, shoving a cavewoman into a lake.

14 posted on 04/15/2005 8:54:39 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: More atrocities have been perpetrated with a hot glue gun, than with a hand gun)
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To: Paul Atreides
Especially, the figurines of the caveman with the bulbous nose and the herpes lip and the other caveman with the huge jowls, shoving a cavewoman into a lake.

Sure they haven't uncovered artifacts from the Clinton White House?
15 posted on 04/15/2005 8:56:35 PM PDT by keat
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To: tbird5
An increasing number of finds seem to indicate the Stone Age was an orgy of sexual imagination.

Maybe, but the article doesn't name any, and this particular one is neither pornographic nor requires any sexual imagination.

16 posted on 04/15/2005 9:02:51 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: tbird5; SunkenCiv

More interesting because its a male figure since the usual figurines are female and have always been considered quasi religiuos represntations of the Mother or Earth Goddess.

Perhaps this midden was the Stone Age equivilent of a 'bath house'???


17 posted on 04/15/2005 9:05:07 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: tbird5

From webster.com
Etymology: Greek pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from pornE prostitute + graphein to write; akin to Greek pernanai to sell, poros journey -- more at FARE, CARVE
1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement


Ahhhh, the liberal media trying to normalize pornography. Do you think there was even a concept of pornography 7000 years ago? Thanks for the insight Tammy Bruce!


18 posted on 04/15/2005 9:08:05 PM PDT by theymakemesick (Adjusted for inflation, Clinton's 1997 $42m inauguration cost 25% more than W's $40m in 2005)
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To: GSlob
Probably a part of fertility cult with similar stone artifacts known in other places. But blessed are the prudish at heart, for they shall see sex everywhere.

Thanks. I could'n'a put it better. The researchers couldn't sell the story with the retro fertility symbol angle. But, establishing pornography as an ancestral hominid trait: priceless. It sells the story and advances the whole metrosexual narrative. It's a win-win.

19 posted on 04/15/2005 9:08:11 PM PDT by Calusa (itís a mere fig leaf of fairness.)
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To: tbird5
An increasing number of finds seem to indicate the Stone Age was an orgy of sexual imagination.

They were filthy animals!!!(literally - No human DNA. Get it?)

20 posted on 04/15/2005 9:08:15 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Nowadays when Brooks performs the 2000 Year Old Man he seems more authentic.
21 posted on 04/15/2005 9:09:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ( .:: Johannes Paulus Magnus: "Well done, good and faithful servant!" ::.)
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To: wildbill

Well, in the article, apparently there was another clay fragment that was a piece of a counterpart female figurine.


22 posted on 04/15/2005 9:11:51 PM PDT by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: tbird5

Scientists are amazed Stone Agers had lots of sex??? How do they think Europe went from mostly virgin forest to one of he most densely populated places on Earth?


23 posted on 04/15/2005 9:12:07 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker

They had nothing else to do ...no Tivo


24 posted on 04/15/2005 9:13:11 PM PDT by woofie
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To: tbird5

I've seen reproductions of these little fertility goddesses and they come accompanied by a sheet of explanation about their use in ancient fertility cult worship. Stone age women would hold these little totems as symbols of the Mother Goddess and then pray to become pregnant themselves. The little statues would become good luck symbols for women trying to conceive. The focus was on the power of the Earth Mother to give them conception.


25 posted on 04/15/2005 9:14:29 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: tbird5
"short, but impressive" penis.

They can always air brush it and put it on the cover of the Rolling Stone. It worked for Al.

26 posted on 04/15/2005 9:16:36 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Ciexyz

So, if you wanted to get lucky, you looked for the babes with the statues?


27 posted on 04/15/2005 9:21:39 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: tbird5

Venus of Saviagno"
Hey I found my ancestor. I feel so much better to know my figure is timeless!


28 posted on 04/15/2005 9:24:39 PM PDT by oceanperch (LOOKIE LOOKIE WE UPDATED OUR PROFILE PAGE/LINKS!)
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To: colorado tanker

I'd imagine ALL the babes had statues. Because the name of the game was fertility, that increased the female's value to the tribe.


29 posted on 04/15/2005 9:25:39 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: oceanperch

Fat thighs and fat boobs were all the rage among stone age women. These were symbols of health, of good body fat, of fertility.


30 posted on 04/15/2005 9:30:14 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: tbird5

The more graphic pics could be anything from rape to consensual.

I notice the man is well endowed and the women are slim.

The men are dark skinned and the two women light skinned in the pics shown.

One can only speculate what the pics mean.

Ancient Player Parties? Who knows.

One thing for sure we have not evolved sexually to multiple sex partners.

Nor have we in evolved in any other sin. Cain and Abel.


31 posted on 04/15/2005 9:34:19 PM PDT by oceanperch (LOOKIE LOOKIE WE UPDATED OUR PROFILE PAGE/LINKS!)
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To: Atchafalaya

it was 'pokey' more likely


32 posted on 04/15/2005 9:38:25 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: Ciexyz

Yeah but you notice the woman having sex are slim!

The fat statues are more like grammas who are past the hottie age.


33 posted on 04/15/2005 9:38:44 PM PDT by oceanperch (LOOKIE LOOKIE WE UPDATED OUR PROFILE PAGE/LINKS!)
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35 posted on 04/15/2005 9:42:55 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: tbird5

TROGLODYTE (CAVE MAN)
Jimmy Castor Bunch

What we're gonna do right here is go back,
way back, back into time.
When the only people that existed were troglodytes...
cave men... cave women... Neanderthal... troglodytes.
Let's take the average cave man, at home,
listening to his stereo.

Sometimes he'd get up, try to do his thing.
He'd begin to move, something like this: dance... dance
When he got tired of dancing alone, he'd look in the mirror.
He'd say:
"Gotta find a woman
gotta find a woman
gotta find a woman
gotta find a woman".

He'd go down to the lake where all the girls
would be swimming or washing clothes or something.
He'd look around and just reach in and grab one.
"Come here...come here".

He'd grab her by the hair.
You can't do that today, fellas, cause it might come off.
You'd have a piece of hair in your hand
and she'd be swimming away from you (huh-huh).

This one woman just layed there, wet and frightened.
He said: "Move...move".

She got up.
She was a big woman,
A BIG woman.
Her name was BERTHA,
BERTHA BUTT,
One of the Butt sisters.

He didn't care.
He looked up at her and said:
"Sock it to me
sock it to me
sock it to me
sock it to me
sock it to me
sock it to me
sock it to me
sock it to me!".

She looked down on him.
She was ready to crush him, but she began to like him.
She said: "I'll sock it to ya, Daddy".
He said: "Wha?".
She said: "I'll sock it to ya, Daddy".

You know what he said?
He started it all way back then.
I wouldn't lie to you.
When she said: "I'll sock it to ya, Daddy"

He said "Right on! Right on!
Hotpants! Hotpants!
Bluh... Bluh... Bluh".


THE BERTHA BUTT BOOGIE (part 1)
Jimmy Castor Bunch

The party was jumpin' when Bertha got off o' her stump,
The whistles were blowin' and everybody did the "Bump".
But all the time Bertha had been workin' on her goodie,
Now folks call it "The Bertha Butt Boogie".

When Bertha Butt did her thing,
She started "The Bertha Butt Boogie".
No question.

When Bertha got movin' her hips were hummin' in the wind,
The ground started shakin' - no grass grew where she'd been!
The music was poppin', the crowd had formed a ring,
Her sisters yelled, "Boogie, Bertha, do your thing!".

Uh, for your information, Bertha had three sisters,
Betty Butt, Bella Butt and Bathsheba Butt.

When Bertha Butt did her thing,
She started "The Bertha Butt Boogie".
I said no question.

Hey, Leroy, get away from that woman!
The boy'll never learn!
Uh-oh, here comes the Troglodyte!
Troglodyte: "Come here, sock it to me!"

Bertha stood back and yelled, "Betty, Bella, Bathsheba!"
And the Butt Sisters backed her up when she yelled, "I need ya!".
The Troglodyte, Leroy, Luther and the Butt Sisters all knew
That "The Bertha Butt Boogie" was now the thing to do.

When Bertha Butt did her thing,
She started "The Bertha Butt Boogie".
No question.

Bertha: "I'll sock it ya, daddy!"
Troglodyte: "Me like, me like! Come here, woman, woman!"
Leroy: "Yo' mama, I'm calling you, man!"
Troglodyte: "Yeah - the Boogie!"


36 posted on 04/15/2005 10:04:27 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: tbird5
both figures were originally just under 30 centimeters (11.7 inches) tall.

Like a Barbie doll?

37 posted on 04/15/2005 10:05:27 PM PDT by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Dunno she has that scary "I love my thermos" look as she glares at them old rocks !


38 posted on 04/15/2005 10:05:55 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

"Ethnic groups in Africa were known to have copulated in corn fields to encourage the crops to grow"...

Then if the corn crop was poor they were not disappointed.

The article also mentions they had condoms dipped in milk. Now what would be the purpose of that? They hadn't any knowledge of sperm?


39 posted on 04/15/2005 10:08:00 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: tbird5
From sometime between the Stone Age and the Bronze Age--

the Flynt Age.

40 posted on 04/15/2005 10:12:32 PM PDT by Erasmus (When it rattles by my window, the Chicago "L" annoys.)
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To: Fiddlstix; wildbill; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Fiddlstix for the ping. Thanks wildbill for the analogy. Could have been a colony of narcissists; mounting behavior is common among some primates, and among humans has been expressed in ways such as the enforced pederasty of ancient Sparta.
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41 posted on 04/15/2005 11:21:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: blam
Ireland and the Phallic Continuum
Some of these Celtic phallic stones even had a glans stone resting on top, and these were used as headache remedies (magical ones, IOW, they only worked through the placebo effect) and infertility remedies (ditto). Interesting pictures at the link.

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42 posted on 04/15/2005 11:32:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: Squantos

*L* Those old rocks look like typical artwork for MS magazine.


43 posted on 04/15/2005 11:33:41 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Ironically, I was listening to "Trogolodyte" yesterday. I also refer to Hillary as "Bertha Butt."


44 posted on 04/15/2005 11:38:57 PM PDT by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: SunkenCiv

Detailed phallic representation throughout a culture signifies a male obsession, not a female fixation. Women did not erect these stones of manhood in the countryside, men did.
Men who are devoted to the penis are not likely to find actual reproductive practices all that appealing, so population replenishment is a concern for such a society.


45 posted on 04/15/2005 11:51:24 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: oceanperch
Good grief!

Nooooooooooooo, such statuary, such as the Venus of Willendorf ( the fat one pictured on the left, with the skinny arms crossed over her breasts ), are a goddesses of FECUNDITY and is PREGNANT; not a "granny" ! The Neolithic representation of women, who you might suppose are just fat, are PREGNANT; filled with life.

What happens to a "skinny woman" when she engages in unprotected sexual intercourse ? SHE GETS "FAT"/ PREGNANT !

46 posted on 04/15/2005 11:52:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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Eros in Pompeii: The Erotic Art Collection of the Museum of Naples The Sweetness of Honey and the Sting of Bees: A Book of Love from the Ancient Mediterranean
Eros in Pompeii:
The Erotic Art Collection
of the Museum of Naples

by Michael Grant
photos by Antonia Mulas
The Sweetness of Honey
and the Sting of Bees:
A Book of Love from
the Ancient Mediterranean

by Michelle Louvric and
Nikiforos Doxiadis Mardas


47 posted on 04/15/2005 11:53:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: wildbill
I think they were more likely "sex-education" tools..
In the case of the Earth Mother statuettes, I tend to agree with one view expressed in the article..
The figures are representations of pregnancy and the birth process..

It's only logical.. hunter gatherer societies could not abide with anyone that obese on the trail.. they would hold up the entire tribe's travel regimen..
In the case of a more advanced, farming society, obesity would only be tolerated as long as it did not interfere with planting, crop/field maintenance, and harvest..
Only those that contributed in some way would be tolerated for very long..

Likewise, for the pairing couple, it is a representation of one manner of coupling, and would be used (like dolls) to demonstrate the actions necessary for mutual "gratification"..
Note that the article points out that the other figure appears to be female..

This would more logically explain many of the other cave drawings, etc.. They were simply illustrations for the education of the younger members of the tribe, coming into adulthood...
It would seem to me that privacy was a common practice during sex even in prehistoric times...
Survival for one, is a good reason for a tradition of privacy during sex.. (bad time to be discovered by a cave bear..)
Therefore, unlike the portrayals in most cave man movies, sex didn't take place in public, before the entire tribe, next to the communal campfire.. ( except, perhaps, for certain religious ceremonies )
One found someplace safe, secure, secluded, away from the kids, and the tribal jokester...

There will probably be other depictions found as time goes on, including different positions of union, and possibly even illustrations / depictions of various animals "in the act"...

48 posted on 04/16/2005 12:40:57 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: sierrahome
''Long and thin goes way in'

'But nary pleases the ladies'

'Short and thick does the trick'

'And makes much better babies.'

Robert Burns

49 posted on 04/16/2005 12:53:29 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: tbird5

My ancient ancestors tried this, but they got tired of looking for more clay. :)


50 posted on 04/16/2005 12:56:36 AM PDT by The Duke
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