Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

I don't buy SC's latest story either. DK works at the internet cafe. SC's a client, but doesn't know DK???

GRACE: Do you know who he was talking to?

S. CROES: No. I don`t even know the guy. I`m just a client of the Internet cafe where I was there. So I didn`t even know the guy.

4,901 posted on 06/30/2005 1:17:08 AM PDT by maggief

To: Howlin; onyx; Mo1

Thanks for encouraging me to commit a crime! I really don't need any help. lol! All I know is what this is doing to a GOOD FAMILY who are better people than me, that's for sure. There wouldn't be a damn polis station left standing if the KILLER of my daughter was smugly sitting in there for PROTECTION!

4,902 posted on 06/30/2005 1:17:55 AM PDT by kcvl

To: maggiefluffs

I agree with you. I don;t buy it either. I hate to keep referring to the Cayman's, but Aruba is the exact same size, only it has 3 times the population. ALL the locals on the Cayman's KNOW one another, at least by sight --- and they ALL stick together.

4,903 posted on 06/30/2005 1:19:33 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)

To: maggiefluffs

Does ANYBODY in Aruba tell the truth?

4,904 posted on 06/30/2005 1:19:37 AM PDT by Howlin

To: kcvl; onyx; maggiefluffs; All

I was going to say......as if you needed encouragement! :-)

Well, I'm going to bed......nite, everybody.

4,905 posted on 06/30/2005 1:20:58 AM PDT by Howlin

NO local tells the truth in the Cayman's. I can fully attest to that! I bet Aruba is the same.

4,906 posted on 06/30/2005 1:21:05 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)

To: Howlin; kcvl; Mo1; maggiefluffs

Me too. Nite everybody.

4,907 posted on 06/30/2005 1:22:49 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)

To: Nita Nupress

Heavy duty post...... thank you.

I'm just beginning to see why everyone is so intrigued in this story.

4,908 posted on 06/30/2005 1:24:59 AM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))

To: Howlin; onyx

No, it's all a sham.

Looks like Dan is fed up too:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/

Good night all.

4,909 posted on 06/30/2005 1:25:05 AM PDT by maggief

To: maggiefluffs

4,910 posted on 06/30/2005 1:36:18 AM PDT by Dianna

I am shocked the MSM hasn't discovered what Nita put together so beautifully.

Why would they want to rock the boat on the drug dealing in the Caribbean? Big media, big government, big business, big crime ........ what's the "big" difference?

This story is a very sad commentary on life and the nature of some humans.

***

By the way, I saw a picture of Joran when he was about 15 years old a week or so ago here on FR (he was standing with his family in a town street). His eyes said to me that he is a 'sicko'. The kid has the smug, cold look in his eyes that suggests that he thinks he is invulnerable, that he can do anything without worry of consequences.

4,911 posted on 06/30/2005 1:42:33 AM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))

To: onyx; Howlin; kcvl

4,912 posted on 06/30/2005 1:43:20 AM PDT by Mo1 (We will stay in the fight until the fight is won ~~~ President G.W. Bush)

Beth Holloway Twitty on Aruban Radio, Magic 96.5 FM
June 29th, 2005 by Scared Monkeys -->

Tonight Beth Holloway went on local Aruban radio, 96.5, to discuss the situation of her missing daughter Natalee. Beth has been on many of the US International TV shows but I believe this may be her first local Aruban interview. The highlights of the Beth Holloway Twitty interview are as follows:

The audio to the beginning of the interview can be heard hear courtesy of Blogs for Natalee

About 2003 MBH started coming here with 30 students. They had a good time and wanted to return and returned in 2004 in 70 students.

Natalee Holloway has been on trips alone. In the Caribbean with other friends and she has traveled to Austria and Germany, she has a younger brother Matt, 16.

They are simulcasting 2 radio stations from Curacao and one from Bonnair

First invitation to come to a radio station, all others were over the phone. Reporter states that Beth has been on international media, but not yet local media. Then welcomes her for coming on 96.5.

One of the chaperone’s called Beth on 12pm on 5/30 to say that NH wasn’t in the lobby at the hotel.

Beth immediately knew that Natalee was missing and she called the FBI that her daughter had been kidnapped. Knew within seconds we had a serious problem. Knew she had been kidnapped.

Beth absolutely believes that she has been kidnapped. Beth says that this is not a missing person. She called 911 saying that her daughter had been kidnapped.

Natalee Holloway did not have contact with with Beth during her trip.

Chaperone’s have her trust. Some were family friends and one chaperon stayed behind.

There were three Arubans who met Beth at airport and were “incredible, fantastic” with helping Beth to “navigate Aruba”.

The reporter asked, “How are the Aruban authorities been handling the case?”Beth says that as any mother or father nothing can be fast enough. This is not to penalize to local authority or government.

Frustration and desperation can only increase.

Beth says that Natalee didn’t have any history of anything of the ordinary.

Beth has a huge support system in family. Some have flown 5 times already.

Beth does not know why the media interest in this.

Reporter asks as if she had suspicions that this may have happened (kidnapping).Beth answered that she knew at that moment that Natalee was “ripped from her life”.

Vinda says that the family thinks that Natalee disappeared involuntarily and didn’t go to the place she was supposed to go.

Beth does have daily contact with FBI and and local police. Some meetings are good, some are bad. Information sometimes goes through Vinda and Peter.

Equusearch is not being backed by Beth. Beth is not involved and has faith in the authorities. Beth has been trying to understand the Dutch system and Vinda has helped her with this.

Beth on U.S. media: Everyone has their hearts in this and she doesn’t know why.

She doesn’t want to comment on her thoughts on the van der Sloot’s family. All parents have the role of wanting the best for their children, to protect their children.

Beth stated that she wants justice for Natalee and wants to see this through.

Beth, “I WANT TO TAKE HER HOME”

She will absolutely not leave Aruba.

Beth believes that she is on the island.

Reporter asks do you ever wonder why if your daughter has been kidnapped that nothing has been asked for?
Beth doesn’t know why there isn’t a ransom.

Reporter asks, Beth would love to know about any prayer vigils in the evening.
Mirna of ATA to have a prayer chain from the Wyndham to the Holiday Inn tomorrow at 2:45 to 3:00pm.

Beth’s expectation: I demand answers, expect answers and we will have them.

(On a personal note … How this woman is able to keep up the strength is amazing)

Prior to Beth’s interview an Aruban lawyer, Vinda de Souza, was discussing some of the present situation in Papiamentu. A summary of what was basically said by the Aruban attorney:

Lawyer said that the family of Natalee Holloway tries to talk bad about the authorities here, but that the lawyer will stop them and explain them.

Lawyer has explained system until that she is tired of it, but will keep on explaining it.

Lawyer says that she’s telling U.S. media that an unknown legal system to them is not necessarily a bad system. She says that there are a few reporters that are finally getting things right, but not all. Those who do not correct themselves probably do it out of sensationalism.

She says that the family submitted a brief to be considered a ‘wronged’ party in the investigation.

*** Special thanks to Aruba Girl for the transcribing with a little help from Red.

4,913 posted on 06/30/2005 1:43:38 AM PDT by kcvl

bill looked like an idiot (even more than usual), with Greta on his show last night, it got worse with the Aruban gov't spokesman (when Bill presumed to tell him what Aruban law provided, Good LORD) and then he hit a crescendo with the two 1st amdt lawyers at the end about Ward Churchill. To bill's credit, however, he made Wesley Clark look like the fool he is, but it was downhill from there.

4,914 posted on 06/30/2005 4:09:44 AM PDT by xsmommy

JVDS claims that Natalee was drugging and drinking and that she FELL in front of the Holiday Inn.

He knows she was "drugging" because he or his associates (while he was distracting her) likely slipped something into her drink.

4,915 posted on 06/30/2005 4:30:36 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG

"I just listened to Greta again. I think the phone call was made to Natalee's cell phone in Aruba. I'm assuming Beth got the message from Natalee's cell phone when she got there and picked up Natalee's phone. The person who contacted Charles Croes was in the states and was a mutual friend of Jug and Beth's."

I thought it was Natalee's cell at first, too. Then I thought well maybe someone called Natalee's hotel room late that night and the manager of the HI played it back for the chaparones and Beth and Jug when they arrived. Supposedly, her cell phone wasn't configured to work on the island.
On another subject, I would be happy to contribute towards a fact-finding trip for you!

4,916 posted on 06/30/2005 4:31:02 AM PDT by Andy'smom

Gary(ATM)transactions(3), was that to help Natalee recover her losses incurred while gambling? Joran must be a very benevolent person volunteering to help Natalee.
The circus story continues being made up as we go along.

I watched Greta interview some Croes guy last night who said he accompanied the Holloway's the morning of her disappearance to PVDS domain. I noticed this person convienently left out PVDS telling the Holloway's, "Your are not in America, this is Aruba." Croes also stated that both PVDS/JVDS stated we want to help, instead of telling jron "not to say anything." per PVDS's mouth.

Looks as if damage control and the Aruban crime cartel(VDS)(Croes)(Kalpoes) are calling in markers. Also the Police Chief's is leaving in July. Jossy said his contract is up (how convenient) . Looks like they have all the right moves answers(lies) and players in place. What say you? NSNR

4,917 posted on 06/30/2005 4:33:44 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

I believe Deputy Barney Fyffe would function as a better prosecutor.NSNR

4,918 posted on 06/30/2005 4:52:40 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

But how did Joran contact his father to come get him?

Good question. If something "bad happened to Natalee early on", the boys may have panicked and run to PVDS for help. The rest of text messages/calls may have been part of coverup plan B. As far as I know, no one can vouch for PVDS's whereabouts during this timeframe. AVDS was not home from her trip yet. Just one more scenario.

4,919 posted on 06/30/2005 4:54:42 AM PDT by auboy ("woof")

Thx, cajungirl...I just read post #4303.

And sad as is it is,there's the rub.

...the Mansurs and the Cuntrera-Caruana clan...

As Beth said, what could make a man sweat like PVDS. There's the answer. There are things worse than being guilty of a crime.

4,920 posted on 06/30/2005 4:54:43 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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