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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: metmom

Put your meatloaf through a food processor and break it down....I raised three kiddies like that and they LOVED my meatloaf.


18,221 posted on 05/06/2007 11:52:47 AM PDT by tioga
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To: tioga

Food processed meatloaf....

Hmmmmmm....

What’s the consistency like?


18,222 posted on 05/06/2007 11:57:52 AM PDT by rottndog (This Tagline currently closed for maintenance and rehabilitation.)
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To: rottndog

It breaks down the meat to where kiddies like it, we are hooked on it and I still use it to this day.....our baby is 23 and living on the west coast.


18,223 posted on 05/06/2007 11:59:55 AM PDT by tioga
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To: rottndog

-and I use it for meatballs as well.


18,224 posted on 05/06/2007 12:00:31 PM PDT by tioga
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To: tioga

Is it fluid enough to cook in a mold?


18,225 posted on 05/06/2007 12:04:21 PM PDT by rottndog (This Tagline currently closed for maintenance and rehabilitation.)
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To: tioga
>> our baby is 23 and living on the west coast.

Babies still get hungry at 23. You could ship a case of those cute little jars of mushed spinach and carrot pulp and strained bananas :-) :-)

18,226 posted on 05/06/2007 12:04:53 PM PDT by T'wit (Confidence in science rests on belief in God's order and will not long survive loss of this belief.)
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To: rottndog

LOL....put your meat in the food processor and break it all down - then add your DRY bread in...then add the rest of your ingredients.......it will be fine.


18,227 posted on 05/06/2007 12:07:11 PM PDT by tioga
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To: metmom
>> It’s the texture of the ground beef

The meatloaf has ground beef, ground pork and ground veal. I have never noticed its texture being hamburger-y. Besides, it has filler to smooth it out. (I use the recipe option of bread crumbs rather than torn up Wonder bread.)

18,228 posted on 05/06/2007 12:08:15 PM PDT by T'wit (Confidence in science rests on belief in God's order and will not long survive loss of this belief.)
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To: tpaine; Alamo-Girl; T'wit; hosepipe; Jim Robinson
bb said: Plus recall that the religion clauses of the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights were primarily designed to be assurances to the States that the feds would not transgress the States' own prerogatives, customs, and liberties in this regard.

tpaine replied: And it worked, -- the feds didn't transgress, and the existing State religions withered away.

Jeepers, tpaine, you speak as if you think the "withering away" of religion is a good thing.

I wonder why. Consider these lines from Trenchard & Gordon:

All men are born free; Liberty is a Gift they receive from God; nor can they alienate the same by Consent, though possibly they may forfeit it by crimes....

Liberty is the power which every man has over his own Actions, and the Right to enjoy the Fruit of his Labor, Art, and Industry, as far as by it he hurts not the Society, or any Member of it, by taking from any Member, or by hindering him from enjoying what he himself enjoys.

The fruits of a Man's honest industry are the just rewards of it, ascertained to him by natural and eternal Equity, as is his Title to use them in the Manner which he thinks fit: And thus, with the above Limitations, every Man is sole Lord and Arbiter of his own private Actions and Property.... [Cato's Letters]

Trenchard & Gordon were major exponents of the "libertarian" political philosophy of John Locke; Cato's Letters were widely read in the American Colonies, and highly influential in shaping early American political thought and attitudes. The above lines are the classical libertarian expression regarding the ultimate foundation of a just political order. The Creator God justifies and guarantees the sphere of human liberty; His eternal Equity is the standard and measure of the individual and public good.

Why would you want to dispense with God?

Just wondering....

18,229 posted on 05/06/2007 12:39:37 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: sodpoodle; Jim Robinson

I can understand your perspective . . . at least mostly.

I to believe that loving JimRob and all he’s done for our Republic and us FREEPERS

does NOT = a cult.

Sheesh.

Honor to whom honor is due.


18,230 posted on 05/06/2007 12:58:34 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: tpaine; betty boop
[... Why would you want to dispense with God? .]

Yeah! WHY?..

18,231 posted on 05/06/2007 1:53:05 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: T'wit

***bleah*** (As Snoopy would say)


18,232 posted on 05/06/2007 3:00:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: T'wit

Sorry, getting me to ingest meatloaf is a losing battle.


18,233 posted on 05/06/2007 3:01:18 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: betty boop; y'all
The feds are just as bound as state/local governments. It's up to 'we the people' to keep ALL levels of gov't obeying the Constitution.

Plus recall that the religion clauses of the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights were primarily designed to be assurances to the States that the feds would not transgress the States' own prerogatives, customs, and liberties in this regard.

And it worked, -- the feds didn't transgress, and the existing State religions withered away. -- By 1848, when the Mormons tried to enshrine a state religion in Utah's new Constitution, the concept was rejected. - Only republican forms of government were approved for admission to the Union.

Jeepers, tpaine, you speak as if you think the "withering away" of religion is a good thing

I think keeping our "republican form of government" in the various States very important Betty, - you don't?

And never fear, religion in the USA will never wither away. Not if the people insist that their States abide by our Constitution.
States have enormous powers to reject federal transgressions.
They do not do so for political reasons, not constitutional ones. -- Apparently, you can't agree on this specific point?

18,234 posted on 05/06/2007 3:39:21 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: metmom
***Bleah***! ***Urp***! You sure are free with the compliments for my cooking!

Wait till you try my cream pie! It's made with shaving cream and is delivered to your door :-)

18,235 posted on 05/06/2007 5:06:21 PM PDT by T'wit (Confidence in science rests on belief in God's order and will not long survive loss of this belief.)
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To: T'wit

LOL! Hey, those cookies sure sound good though.

Just can’t sell me on ground beef.


18,236 posted on 05/06/2007 5:23:03 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Reading this from you causes me to tear up.

JimRob:
Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!

Words cannot express my feelings of graditude adequately. Thanks.


18,237 posted on 05/06/2007 6:07:09 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: betty boop

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


18,238 posted on 05/06/2007 6:07:58 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: dirtboy

I like what Jim did to this place so I came back.


18,239 posted on 05/06/2007 6:23:00 PM PDT by ruoflaw
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To: ruoflaw

Damn glad to hear that!


18,240 posted on 05/06/2007 6:39:57 PM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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