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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: OMalley
Hey stranger than me.

I've been missing you. Thought maybe you ran off to a desert island with a boy toy. lolol

5,101 posted on 04/23/2007 12:45:15 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Luke21
This is the party Reagan built.

I'm not so sure of that. Reagan built his own coalition. Reagan was Reagan. "He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

5,102 posted on 04/23/2007 12:46:26 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Given my 6 years of efforts to defend conservatism

Please tell us then why you would support a candidate with Giuliani's record of abortion and gun control which are CLEARLY not conservative.

5,103 posted on 04/23/2007 12:47:27 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: wagglebee
Sounds toooooo much like DU.

Unbelievable.

5,104 posted on 04/23/2007 12:47:36 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Jim Robinson; rockrr
I haven’t stated anything about who I support or do not support in the upcoming election/primary. Nothing about what my position is on abortion, death penalty, etc. Where do you get my "blind support for an abortionist" from...who is becoming hysterical here?

What I have stated is that REASONABLE PEOPLE should be allowed to discuss things REASONABLY

This is your site - I was wrong to sign up - I’ve known for years your ‘mission statement’ is totally hypercritical. It seems to me the one getting hysterical here is you with your demand all should 'tow one line' - but, it's obviously your right to do so - you control all - you delete unwanted posts, ban those that refuse to "tow your line", etc., ...(it's called censorship) so, yes, THAT IS STALINIST. It's the very definition.

You can scream from the mountain top as loud as you want - BUT, facts are facts...you behave like STALIN... Continue screaming like a 2 year old child, argue with the direct evidence - I stopped arguing with 2 year olds sometime ago.

rockrr:

Since up until this post I haven't "spewed" anything other than a request for "reasoned debate" - I question which of of us is the brighter of the two...But I understand - I may not totally agree with everything you or Jim believes - therefore I'm to be subjected to personal attacks, profanity, vulgarity, threats, racial or religious bigotry.

See it's allowed if it's Jim doing it - or someone supporting Jim doing it... If this post ever sees the light of day - well fill your boots, rant and rave to your hearts content...I'm done - I'll not be back to point out the nuttyness of your future rantings...seriously Bye now, oh, have fun 'yall

5,105 posted on 04/23/2007 12:47:59 PM PDT by Dances With No One
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To: wagglebee

I want to go. Got a link?


5,106 posted on 04/23/2007 12:48:35 PM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: jla
I waive you of the need to ping me when mentioning my name in regards to this.

However, on your point #3, Mia was doing more than just stating a so-called "plausible theory" (which I provided a counterargument to), she was using a reference for that theory her own previous vanity. In other words, since she was using herself as a citation, she was endorsing the theory, not just stating it.

But that's a nitpick.

Your characterizations of the deleted posts are pretty much correct. The third was mine, deleted on my request after I was asked to do so by Mia. I made the deletion request as a gesture of goodwill -- however, I saw no legitimate reason that the original posts of Mia should have been pulled. If she wanted to get her facts straight, she should have done so prior to posting or else post a correction after the fact. I have never, nor will I ever, ask a post to be pulled because I made an error.

5,107 posted on 04/23/2007 12:48:53 PM PDT by kevkrom (A vote for Guiliani is a vote to kill conservatism.)
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To: politicalwit

5,108 posted on 04/23/2007 12:49:23 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: processing please hold

Actually, the DUmmies have more integrety than the disgruntled FRiberals. When the DUmmies want to trash us, they do it on an open forum, they are not hiding on some secret thread that only INVITED members can access.


5,109 posted on 04/23/2007 12:49:28 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: EternalVigilance

BS - you just divide, sheeps, goats, doesn’t matter to a fifth columnist disruptor like you.


5,110 posted on 04/23/2007 12:49:56 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: politicalwit
I don’t recall seeing one Viking Kitty in this entire thread. Did I miss something or is this a new record?

Zotting a DUmmie troll is one thing... fellow FReepers going off the deep end is not a cause for mirth.

5,111 posted on 04/23/2007 12:50:01 PM PDT by kevkrom (A vote for Guiliani is a vote to kill conservatism.)
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To: Dances With No One

I’d like to be the first to say, good riddance.


5,112 posted on 04/23/2007 12:50:12 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: Dances With No One

Will the ‘opus’s never end?

Just say GOODBYE!


5,113 posted on 04/23/2007 12:50:57 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Compromise is one thing. Clearing out all the issues I favor and letting the dark side win on each of them is quite another. Rudy is the worst candidate we’ve run since John B. Anderson.
5,114 posted on 04/23/2007 12:51:00 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: kevkrom
... fellow FReepers going off the deep end is not a cause for mirth.

It is if that is your goal.

5,115 posted on 04/23/2007 12:51:00 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know - I won’t be missed - got it...:o))


5,116 posted on 04/23/2007 12:52:34 PM PDT by Dances With No One
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To: Dances With No One

Like a moth to a candle they simply can’t stay away.


5,117 posted on 04/23/2007 12:54:00 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: Dances With No One

I’m not a lady so see if you can figure this out. Never mind, I’ll get banned for blackguarding.


5,118 posted on 04/23/2007 12:54:23 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Dances With No One
it's obviously your right to do so - you control all - you delete unwanted posts, ban those that refuse to "tow your line", etc., ...(it's called censorship) so, yes, THAT IS STALINIST. It's the very definition.

Well there's your problem - you're just not very bright. Why else would you admit that it's Jim's right to do as he wishes, yet contradict yourself in the very same sentence by claiming that very behavior is Stalinist?

5,119 posted on 04/23/2007 12:54:23 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: 68 grunt
BS - you just divide, sheeps, goats, doesn’t matter to a fifth columnist disruptor like you.

I support conservatism, and those who advance it. I know that galls you, but there's nothing I can do about that, troll.

5,120 posted on 04/23/2007 12:54:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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