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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: for-q-clinton
If he wasn’t born in Hawaii...where was he born?

I hope everyone doesn't get bogged down about his place of birth. I think it quite probable he was born in Hawaii - I think it is OTHER information on his real BC that he doesn't want to see the light of day...

see my post #240

Also, there's the matter of his parents races.

His mother is listed as "Caucasian" but his father's as "African."

"African" is not a race...Teresa Heinz Kerry is "African", having been born there - as are millions of others of all colors and races.

Let's not let this get away from us by chasing the wrong question

251 posted on 07/03/2008 6:56:53 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: xzins

oops forgot to ping you. Post 246.


252 posted on 07/03/2008 6:57:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: potlatch

Thanks Pot, but that’s the one I already have. It is the high-rez, but it’s the post-seal version. I think KOS took down the original long ago so I’ll need to find someone who saved it.

MM


253 posted on 07/03/2008 6:58:23 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: proudtobeanamerican1
Shouldn’t someone report abuse for your troll post?

What? The BC has, to say the least, been proven to have been tampered with. I posted a statement regarding the document taken straight from the Obama website, where it is maintained to be genuine. For the record. I doubt if it will be there for much longer.

254 posted on 07/03/2008 6:59:29 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: null and void
All known valid certificates FROM HAWAII say "Date ACCEPTED by STATE Registrar"
255 posted on 07/03/2008 7:01:09 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: MississippiMan

Check SE Mom’s link in post #10. The one you’re looking for may be linked in there.


256 posted on 07/03/2008 7:01:26 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: MississippiMan

OK, sorry.


257 posted on 07/03/2008 7:01:30 PM PDT by potlatch (MICHELLE OBAMA - The gift that just keeps on giving....!)
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To: RetSignman

Sp/...Fathom not phantom


258 posted on 07/03/2008 7:01:43 PM PDT by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: P-Marlowe

Great find on that court decision. Can it really be used against Obama?


259 posted on 07/03/2008 7:03:26 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: SE Mom

Everybody be careful. There are two ways to get someone off-balance. One is to push them. The other is to act like there’s something for them to push, then step back and let them fall forward.


260 posted on 07/03/2008 7:04:24 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Gun-free zones aren't. Visit ConcealedCampus.com for more)
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To: PhatHead; pissant; SE Mom

Perfect argument bump.


261 posted on 07/03/2008 7:06:09 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Who do they provide proof to? I’ve never thought about it before.


262 posted on 07/03/2008 7:06:15 PM PDT by nobama08
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To: txflake
Some freepers thought they detected a seal in microscopy, but nowhere near enough to establish WHAT seal. Not even any letters or ensignias. Just a hundred or so refractory pixels in what should be 50 thousand pixels on raised cotton paper. I think a seal is something you can see and feel, not something you have to use forensics to establish.

Yes, yes and yes.

However, the one with the faint 'seal' was manufactured and put on the site AFTER all the hub bub about no seal. I can see the forger going, "Oh, geeeze, I shoulda got ahold of an embosser -"

263 posted on 07/03/2008 7:06:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: California74

“If Obama wins, pull the “but he’s not a citizen” card we have now.. wait - would Obama’s VP choice become president then (before Obama sworn in), or would McCain become president or.... oh, my brain hurts!”


If Obama wins the election (God forbid) and is shown not to be a citizen prior to the Electoral College meeting, the Democrats would probably get the electors to vote for someone else for president (could be Hillary, could be the VP, whoever) and if they elect Obama’s VP as President they would obviously elect someone else as VP.

If Obama is shown not to be a citizen after the Electoral College meets but before the electoral votes are counted by the new Congress on January 3, then there are two possible results:

(i) Obama is declared the president-elect (and his VP the VP-elect) and then, on January 20 (Inauguration Day), the presidency is declared vacant because the president-elect does not qualify for the office and the VP-elect is sworn in as president and immediately becomes the president; or

(ii) following the precedent of 1872, in which the few electoral votes cast for Horace Greeley (who had died after the election but before the Electoral College met, but who received a few electoral votes from presidential electors that I guess didn’t care that he was dead) were ruled by Congress to be null and void because the candidate wasn’t eligible for the office, electoral votes cast for Obama are declared void and thus no candidate would have a majority of electoral votes; in such case, the House, with each state delegation having one vote, would elect the president from among the three persons with the most presidential electoral votes (the last time it did this was in 1824, when it elected John Quincy Adams), and since McCain would presumably be the only eligible candidate to have received electoral votes I guess that McCain would necessarily be elected (he’d obviously get at least one Representative from at least 26 states to vote for him).

Thus, if Obama is found not to be a citizen after the Electoral College meets but before Congress counts the votes, the Democrat-controlled Congress would overturn the Greeley precedent (which, in my honest opinion, was idiotic in the first place) and would count the electoral votes for Obama, declaring him the winner, and his VP would become president on Inauguration Day because Obama wouldn’t qualify for office.

I’m assuming, by the way, that the Democrats wouldn’t be tyrannical enough as to insist that Obama become president even though he doesn’t meet the constitutional qualifications.


264 posted on 07/03/2008 7:07:19 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: Dog Gone
It doesn't matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is.

He has to be a natural-born U.S. citizen to be POTUS. That disallows being born in Cuba, N. Korea, etc. as you claim. It doesn't that his mother is a citizen.

265 posted on 07/03/2008 7:07:31 PM PDT by Mogollon ($5/gal Gas....Kick the Jacka$$es Out!)
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To: brityank

See my post #223.


266 posted on 07/03/2008 7:08:21 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: proudtobeanamerican1; Fred Nerks
Shouldn’t someone report abuse for your troll post?

Nope! Fred's just quoting the message on that website. No Troll - No Abuse - Just the Facts

267 posted on 07/03/2008 7:08:24 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: P-Marlowe

See my post #223 re: natural-born citizenship.


268 posted on 07/03/2008 7:09:43 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: MississippiMan

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml

maybe here....


269 posted on 07/03/2008 7:09:56 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: proudtobeanamerican1; Fred Nerks

Fred isn’t a troll.


270 posted on 07/03/2008 7:10:17 PM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: ErnBatavia
Those that are running this board need to step back and bitchslap themselves.

Are you referring to Jim Robinson in your post?

271 posted on 07/03/2008 7:10:26 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: American Quilter
"I'll bet Hillary has all of her fingers crossed. "

I'll bet that Hillary had all this information before BHO made his speech at the Dem convention.

272 posted on 07/03/2008 7:10:50 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Mogollon

See post #223.


273 posted on 07/03/2008 7:11:08 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: Diver Dave

thanks!


274 posted on 07/03/2008 7:11:46 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: AmericaUnited; fanfan

Thanks. Good to know.

fanfan see post #255.


275 posted on 07/03/2008 7:13:21 PM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: nobama08

I don’t think it came up this way in the past because there were no questionable documents making look suspicious.


276 posted on 07/03/2008 7:13:32 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: maine-iac7

The Barry Soetoro thing is interesting. No one would hold it against him if they changed his name to that when they did. But lets just say he was born Barry Dunham. But Barry Dunham to Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama might look bad to some people. I mean how many males have gone by three last names in their life. Now if it was born with the name he has now I can’t figure out what would be embarrassing to him in that birth certificate.


277 posted on 07/03/2008 7:14:58 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: maine-iac7
And if it was, as has been rumored, Barry Dunham on the real BC...the city clerks office wouldn't be able to locate one for Barack H..... tangled webs we weave

when we practice to deceive...and that's why IMO, the number was 'blacked out' - because there never was a number on it to begin with...

VOTE FOR BARRY DUNHAM! CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN! LOL!

278 posted on 07/03/2008 7:17:02 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks; Gondring; Dog Gone; SE Mom; Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge; P-Marlowe
And then, after the storm has been whipped up, he can pull out the real one ("'scuze me while I whip this out!" just went through my head!) and say, "These people are nuts! I'm so persecuted!"

That is what I would think they might try...course they have an obvious Fake on the WebSite....they will have some spinning to do to cover that.

279 posted on 07/03/2008 7:18:10 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: SE Mom
the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.


Smacked Down!!!!!

280 posted on 07/03/2008 7:19:20 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I will stand with the Muslims ~B Hussein Obomber Verito Possumus~Verified Sleeper!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

But candidates must have to file some sort of proof they are natural citizens, right?


281 posted on 07/03/2008 7:21:17 PM PDT by nobama08
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To: PhatHead; Dog Gone
This new admission, I believe, forces the Obama campaign to respond in some way. If their only response is simply to remove the fake BC, the issue grows. If they respond with a legitimate birth certificate, it's over.

Obama's move.

Makes sense to me....

282 posted on 07/03/2008 7:22:27 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: SE Mom

7:24 OAHU - Iamaphorgarie
7:24 OAHU - Barack Obama

Obama’s people cannot be this stupid. We have a “phorgarie” and Obama’s birth certificate having the same time and place of birth.

PURSUE! PURSUE!


283 posted on 07/03/2008 7:22:56 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: OldEagle

[I’ll bet that Hillary had all this information]

That’s my thinking too, I think the clinton’s are just waiting for this to come to light from a source other than themselves.


284 posted on 07/03/2008 7:22:57 PM PDT by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Yep.
Without verification of his true birth certificate, there can be no definitive answer. I'm also sure the clinton's will not let him get away with anything. Will be interersting to see the outcome of the Dem convention, could be quite an eye-opener.
285 posted on 07/03/2008 7:23:16 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: rawhide; AuH2ORepublican; xzins
Great find on that court decision. Can it really be used against Obama?

Well, Obama is a liberal democrat, so probably not.

If Obama can't produce a valid birth certificate, then he can't prove that his mother was a US Citizen.

286 posted on 07/03/2008 7:23:21 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: null and void
every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL

So they have to wait until they learn calculus!

287 posted on 07/03/2008 7:23:56 PM PDT by magooey (stop the bs, fight the war!)
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To: nobama08

I don’t know.


288 posted on 07/03/2008 7:24:48 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Fred Nerks

Hey,...I’ll vouch for you too....even if you are down under.


289 posted on 07/03/2008 7:27:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: struggle

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m35/opendna/HI_birthcert_corvo.jpg

http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO_birthcert.jpg
SHOOP DA WHOOP!!!!oneone
290 posted on 07/03/2008 7:27:39 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Fred Nerks
VOTE FOR BARRY DUNHAM! CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN! LOL!


291 posted on 07/03/2008 7:27:48 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: maine-iac7
"The only thing I can think of that he wouldn’t want us to see is that maybe he wasn’t born Barrack Husein Obama but Barry Dunham."

Suppose it said Barry Dunham and Father: Unknown??

292 posted on 07/03/2008 7:28:45 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: AmericaUnited; null and void

Aha!

Watson my FRiend, I tire.

Upon arising, I will turn my attention to the enigma presented herein.


293 posted on 07/03/2008 7:29:44 PM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If they respond with a legitimate birth certificate, it's over.

Absolutely, positively NOT! If they certified to the world that the BC on the official site was the real one and in fact it is not or ANY, REPEAT, ANY of the info is changed, they are screwed big time and it would not be over in the least. Pundit after pundit would examine this and wonder why they would be so incredibly STUPID to have put the fake out.

Plus, if they present a valid certificate that is dead identical to the one shown, there is still a big question of why his certificate says "Date Filed" vs "Dated Accepted".

294 posted on 07/03/2008 7:30:04 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Dog Gone
It has nothing to do with her 16th birthday. You guys just make up crap.

Nonsense. When Obama was born, 8 USCA Sec. 1401(g) (then Sec. 1401(7)) said that a child born outside the United States where only one of two parents was a US Citizen (the other being an alien) was a citizen but only if the U S Citizen parent had lived in the US for least ten years prior to the birth of which ten years, at least five years were after the age of 16. The statue was amended in November of 1986 but only with respect to children born after that date.

295 posted on 07/03/2008 7:30:35 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: struggle

Sorry for being a bit behind the curve on this, but I understand that Obama has a link to his “birth certificate” on his website. How do we know that the image on his birth certificate is the same one as that douns on the Daily Kos? I would think that Obama would be the one that would give it to the media and not some random blogger.


296 posted on 07/03/2008 7:32:02 PM PDT by rumrunner
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To: P-Marlowe; rawhide; AuH2ORepublican; xzins
"If Obama can't produce a valid birth certificate, then he can't prove that his mother was a US Citizen."

No valid B.C. ======> no proof of who his parents were

=======> no proof of who he is

=======> no proof he is a natural-born US citizen

Is this all a set-up to embarrass/discredit critics who jump on it, or is Barry truly unable to prove he meets the requirement of the US Constitution that he be a natural born US citizen if he hopes to serve as POTUS?

WHO IS THIS GUY?

==================================================

OBAMA: "That's not the fraudulent birth certificate I knew!"
297 posted on 07/03/2008 7:32:53 PM PDT by Enchante (OBAMA: "That's not the fraudulent birth certificate I knew!")
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To: maine-iac7
Again, if born in Hawaii, and considering the nature of the times (1961), they'd use whatever words they'd think normal.

"Black" wouldn't be among them. Hawaii is nearer the Equator and there are vast numbers of folks there with "full tans", with those who work outdoors frequently best being described as "burned black".

"Race", in 1961, in Hawaii, would require different answers than anything you've yet suggested.

298 posted on 07/03/2008 7:34:01 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: maine-iac7
Again, if born in Hawaii, and considering the nature of the times (1961), they'd use whatever words they'd think normal.

"Black" wouldn't be among them. Hawaii is nearer the Equator and there are vast numbers of folks there with "full tans", with those who work outdoors frequently best being described as "burned black".

"Race", in 1961, in Hawaii, would require different answers than anything you've yet suggested.

299 posted on 07/03/2008 7:34:02 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: maine-iac7
Again, if born in Hawaii, and considering the nature of the times (1961), they'd use whatever words they'd think normal.

"Black" wouldn't be among them. Hawaii is nearer the Equator and there are vast numbers of folks there with "full tans", with those who work outdoors frequently best being described as "burned black".

"Race", in 1961, in Hawaii, would require different answers than anything you've yet suggested.

300 posted on 07/03/2008 7:34:02 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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