Forbidden Arkeology: "The Riddle Of Ararat"

Fortean Times ^ | By Robin Simmons

[Fennie]

There's a well-known account of ten year old Georgie Hagopian, who saw Noah's Ark while climbing Ararat with his uncle in 1904. The date isn't precise but this was around the time my grandfather was in the region and heard convincing stories of the Ark, preserved in ice and snow, still occasionally visible.

My grandfather died in 1980, aged 106. As a boy, I listened to his adventures as a doctor in Eastern Turkey and Russia between 1904 and 1910. He worked in the very shadow of Greater Ararat - the legendary Biblical landing place of Noah's ship.

My grandfather said some of the Kurds and Armenians he treated confided that the great Ark was preserved on Ararat. They said, it's "high on the northern side, a little below the saddle" of the twin-peaked dormant volcano.

[woollyone]

lose the attitude? your skin is too thin for dialog. Have a nice day.

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[DieHard the Hunter]

> Ahh, wouldn’t the evolutionists just love it if the ark were found?

Speaking as an Evolutionist who also believes in Creation, I would be fascinated.

[Quix]

GREAT ARTICLE WITH LOTS OF NEW INFO, TO ME . . . From:

http://www.s8int.com/noahsark10.html

An Old Testament professor at a respected liberal arts university once reminded me of the Gospel's warning - "As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man." The text's true meaning, he said, a reminder that when the 'sons of God' (the fallen angels in Genesis 6) again breed with the 'daughters of man', the great deception of the Antichrist that precedes the Second Coming is imminent. This puts so-called alien abductions in a whole new light.

The same scholar asked me: "What would happen if the Ark were conclusively proved to be preserved in the ice of Ararat and then it became apparent that it had been looted by the West? And further, that it was a long-known secret kept by the powers that be? That this sacred mountain and its treasure had been profaned by the 'great Satan' (America)?"

He went on: "And what if the Ark were revealed to be on Ararat and not on Al Cudi, as some translations of the Koran say? Would that further aggravate the situation by making it appear that Mohammed was a liar?"

The idea of the great Ark of Noah actually existing - to say nothing of being preserved into our day - goes against consensus academic and scientific opinion. However, as every fortean knows, geologic anomalies abound that challenge standard models of slow, uniform changes over millenia.

Colonel James Irwin, the late moon-walking Apollo astronaut, apparently had access to information not generally available. He made several high altitude explorations of Ararat. He told me he thought the preponderance of evidence indicated there was something ancient and meaningful hidden on the heights of Ararat. Something that would affect the way all mankind relates to each other -- and the Creator.

THANKS

[Quix]

Uhhhh . . . no.

[Quix]

Your post seems to be Too cryptic to get your points.

[Marysecretary]

VERY interesting and fascinating.

[Squidpup]

OK Imagine you are Noah et al after what they went through. You now need fuel and shelter on a planet that was completely deluged. What do you use?
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It would be awesome if it was found, but I tend to think it was then used for firewood and tent poles...

[El Cid]

Hard to imagine that the flood level was 13,300 feet above sea level at the time...

Actually the Ark would have been at sea level, at the time it 'docked'.
With respect to the topology and terrain -- the idea is that it was a lot more turbulent in its changes in the years following the Flood, than it is today.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[marron]

I also draw a distinction between the mountains of Ararat versus Mount Ararat.

I assume that he would have gone aground somewhere in northern Turkey or Georgia if he was coming from the Black Sea, or somewhere in Kurdestan if he was coming from the Persian Gulf area. I also assume the ark was broken up for timbers or simply rotted away centuries ago.

So, if they really did find it up on the side of a 13000 foot mountain, it would certainly get my attention.

[RaceBannon]

FIrst, lose the “everyone has an attitude if they disagree with me” attitude

Then, start recognizing that similie and metaphor have their places, but when the words like or as are not used, just because you find the passage difficult to accept due to your preconceptions, that does not make the Bible figurative

It just means you choose to not believe what it plainly says.

[RoadTest]

Yes!

When God was talking literally He made it pretty obvious. The Bible gives the story of Noah as an account of history, not a parable, although it is a type of being saved in Christ.

You are right in saying the so-called “eucharist” is not literal food. He said “Do this in remebrance of me”, not cannibalising me.

In the O.T. He said about the lamb in Exodus 12:11: “It is the Lord’s passover” This is not any more or less literal than “This is my body”, in which case He was talking about the group of gathered believers, which is the body of Christ.

The Bible is full of the literal and the figurative, and prayerful reading and study clarify the confusion. A

[Erik Latranyi]

The Bible is full of the literal and the figurative, and prayerful reading and study clarify the confusion.

Absolutely! Those that go for all figurative or all literal miss quite a bit.

[Erik Latranyi]

Then, start recognizing that similie and metaphor have their places, but when the words like or as are not used, just because you find the passage difficult to accept due to your preconceptions, that does not make the Bible figurative.

Can you re-write this please? I do not understand.

[RaceBannon]

that means some people place an immediate thought that what they read is not literal, but metaphor or analogy

99% of the time, it aint

Unless the Bible is clearly saying an anology or similie or metaphor, it is real and literal

Just because it sounds fantastic or too hard to be actually accomplished by mortal man does not make it symbolical

[eleni121]

Ararat was part of Armenia for thousands of years and will be again when the Muslim Turks are sent packing.

[Fennie]

On the 2nd December 2002 Claudio Schranz has been able to film clearly a beam of Noah’s Ark protruding out of the ice on Mount Ararat. It was found at 4000m between the beginning of the Parrot glacier.

Discovery Wooden Beam — http://www.noahs.it/Discovery%20Wooden%20Beam.htm

[Fennie]

http://www.noahsark.it/Discovery%20Wooden%20Beam.htm