Posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
And then one of our moderators spotted this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate
It has several clues, but also there's this question:
Who is E. F. Lavender?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth+friendly+lavender&aq=f&oq=&aqi
Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?
I wasn’t offended! That site was utterly boring. Serious! BORING! No wonder they came up with such an obvious forged COLB.
You wrote-
“Am I allowed to post this? Check it out (don’t click on it if you are easily offended):
Warning...DU wanting members to create fake BC’s”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6205189
Whether the document is an authentic typed document or a fake typed document is another question entirely. But the picture is unquestionable of a real piece of paper with text on it.
Laughed for 4 minutes straight.
Lets talk about the seriousness of the charge! Oh wait, we are..
Why was the father the informant on this birth certificate?
Perhaps that was common back then.
I sure wish Polarik would analyze this thing.
— Interesting that they feel the need for all the misdirection and creating fake Kenyon birth certificates.
Why? —
I would guess that someone wants to set legal precedent that prepared COPIES of any original are worthless.
If the courts deem this prepared COPY of the original is no good for any reason then the original becomes all that more important.
I have a feeling there is something really damaging on his Hawaiian certificate that would make professionals risk playing around with what could very well be a fake.... an almost perfect fake designed to facilitate new procedures.
I am sure this has been gone over.
Help me out here. If A=1 and B=2, why does M=8 and O=10. If it is the placement in the alphabet, then M=13 and O=15.
In 1961 what mattered most to Obama, Sr., would have been that his son be born as a British citizen, which indeed is what happened. The decolonialization process was underway, but Kenya was not yet independent. Mombasa was Kenyan in many ways. Kenya came into being as a British colony in 1895 when the Sultan of Zanzibar ceded what became Kenya to British “protection.” East Africa was a major center of German colonization (to the south—Tangyanika etc. and the Brits were competing with them. The Sultan of Zanzibar was caught between them.
The boundaries that were established when the present-day African countries went independent in many cases were arbitrary and artificial. 1961 was a time of transition, Obama senior knew that. Kenya was emerging but its exact boundaries and form of government were not yet what they became.
Why go to Mombasa? Who knows. But as one of the larger cities, it must have had hospital facilities roughly on par with Nairobi, perhaps better. There probably weren’t a lot of other choices for European-style hospitals and I bet that his young lady was eager for the best hospital available.
They would not have seen “going to Mombasa” as going to a foreign place. It was a natural center for the sort of medical care they wanted at that point.
I think his BC will say female and Michelle's will say male.
But nothing that I wrote in reply should be construed to mean that I am convinced this document is genuine. I don’t know if it is. I’m just trying to point out what things might have seemed like to Obama and Dunham in 1961.
If ever made public I think the original long form lists his race as White. Many others has suggested this and I think it is the most logical. Not disqualifying, but politically embarrassing...
Me too. Has anyone heard from him today?
No, the Australian clerk lived at the turn of the 19thc in Australia.
In other words, if this is a forgery, it is masterfully done.
With Rathergate and with the ‘certificate’ from Factcheck, these forgeries weren’t very well made. It would take some serious brains to pull off a forgery of this caliber.
There is only ONE WAY to prove this birth certificate: release the Hawaii birth certificate and all other ‘vital records’.
That looks about as authentic as what BO produced...
You are right on the money my friend..I’ve been saying this all along.you’re being used as tools folks, GET IT !
I had Freepers all day long calling me every name in the book because I said this is just another fraud and distraction. I was even called a troll.
LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP FOLKS ! The DU pot heads are laughing their asses off over this one and we’re made to look like A Holes.In the age of Photoshop NO DOCUMENT , NONE can be even taken seriously unless it’s in someone’s hand , hopefully a REAL expert in such matters.
I work with a kid who can do ANYTHING on Photoshop and you’d never know in a MILLION YEARS it was fake.
Wasn’t Mombasa in Zanzibar in 1961?
Should we be looking Zanzibar records, not Kenya?
A different father listed. Would totally blow the whole 'Dreams of My Father' stuff outta the water.
Name of father left blank
For the record, I don't think having Muslim listed as the religion would be a bombshell. Its pretty much been addressed.
Correct.
That is the purpose of the First Amendment, for the press to keep an eye on the gov’t.
Btw, that is why the records, the adoptive name, etc all matter. You are required to run for office with your REAL name, so your background can be vetted!
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