'Trust me' isn't going to turn Latino vote for Cruz, GOP

Chicago Tribune ^ | May 1, 2015 | Mary Sanchez

[Eagles6]

Your loss. Knowledge is power.

[Nifster]

I stand with Ted.....

Who cares what a Chicago columnist thinks????

[Cincinatus' Wife]

So you’ve just come out openly against Cruz is my takeaway from the whole litany of posts here on this thread.

No I haven't but you're going to say I have because you cannot discuss this w/o admitting that this issue is a hot-button that all the candidates in the primary are dealing with.

There are no "pure" candidates.

As for me being "anti-Cruz," I am not. After Romney lost the election in 2012, I was one of the first out of the gate trumpeting Cruz.

Later I came to the conclusion that Walker was a good conservative and a better candidate - that he had the fight in him to go the distance and get the votes.

I have not gone on other threads to bash Cruz or start threads to bash Cruz. I did however have a lot of pro-Cruz anti-Walker FReepers come on to my threads but that's just life.

Now things are getting closer and positions are solidifying, so I am going to start making comparisons, as the "we must keep vetting Walker" needs to be put to bed if "we can't keep vetting Cruz" stands.

If Walker falls back and Cruz is selected, I will enthusiastically back him as the GOP candidate.

I'd like to think you would do the same for Walker.

[zeestephen]

Re: “On Wednesday, however, a spokesman for Cruz, Brian Phillips, clarified to msnbc on Twitter that this interpretation was incorrect and Cruz merely offered the amendment as an exercise to prove Democrats’ obstinacy on citizenship. It was not an endorsement of the work permit component of the bill that his amendment left intact.”

No endorsement of the Gang of Eight Work Permit?

Here's what Cruz said in El Paso, according to the New York Time:

“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight...”

So this is just a misunderstanding? This quote was taken out of context? The Amendment was just a trick to show the Democrats were not serious about reforming immigration, a political trick to show the Democrats would not compromise on citizenship?

Cruz offered this Amendment 2 years ago. Cruz made this statement in El Paso 18 months ago.

A lot of immigration specialists, like Mickey Kaus at the Daily Caller, jumped on him immediately for the El Paso statement, and Cruz, as far as I know, made no response at all.

Please correct me, and provide the link, if Cruz did respond to Kaus or other writers 18 months ago.

If he said nothing, then he allowed Texas Hispanics to think he supported the Work Permit for 18 months, when, in fact, he did not.

Since Cruz now says he was misunderstood, does that mean he has supported deportation for all illegals for the last 18 months?

I look forward to seeing Cruz give THAT speech in El Paso!

[Gaffer]

Your jumbling, non-response speaks volumes. Re: Walker's past responses - that's the point. They're Cruz's positions too. Get it now?

That's just another way to say "Cruz is as bad as my candidate (on immigration)".

Walker was never mentioned in the article or your first comment about it. Why then, finally come upon "Cruz is the same (or bad as) Walker on immigration?". I see it as a subtle attack on Cruz because he is a real threat to liberals and a lot of candidates who are considered conservative.

I don't want to bash Walker because if he does rise and win over Cruz I'll accept it and vote for him. That doesn't mean I'll sit here and let subtle threads designed to highlight Cruz in a bad way happen either.

I DON'T post original threads for either candidate. I endorse Cruz wherever I can and try to keep from commenting about Walker in a bad way except when it gets out of the realm of normal discourse and information, particularly when such discussion is designed to 'illustrate' the foibles of Cruz when ignoring one's own candidate.

[tanknetter]

Liberals like Mary Sanchez are susceptable to projection and confirmation bias in their analysis of political (and other) activities.

Cruz isn’t trying to “win” the Hispanic vote. He’s:

1 trying to peel off enough Hispanic votes to matter and

2 trying to demonstrate to middle of the road voters that he’s not anti immigrant/Hispanic.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Walker was never mentioned in the article or your first comment about it. Why then, finally come upon "Cruz is the same (or bad as) Walker on immigration?". I see it as a subtle attack on Cruz because he is a real threat to liberals and a lot of candidates who are considered conservative.

I guess that I posted remarks by Rubio and Bush (as well as the Cruz and Walker) on this same thread just didn't enter into your calculations when you'd decided that I was bashing Cruz.

AGAIN I will say we must be honest that this is a hot-button issue for all the candidates. That there are no "pure" candidates.

I've said my peace on this. You're just playing wack-a-mole now.

[Gaffer]

Then I guess you’re the mole. I’ve said my piece and you never did answer anything with any substance. You can go on off now and start some other threads.

[Unmarked Package]

And that made him think Hispanic voters could be taken over by the GOP?

Darn right, we're optimistic in Texas we can get more votes of conservative Hispanics!

The 2012 data you cited (35%) came from telephone interviews in Texas and not exit polls. Evidently, no exit polling data was collected that year in Texas according to the article at the link you provided.

More instructive from the recent 2014 election in Texas, NBC exit polling shows real hope for progress among Hispanic voters. Dan Patrick was the Republican winner for Lt. Governor who was most vocal about border security and removing benefits to illegal aliens. Note that he received 53% of male Hispanic votes in the exit polls.

Another surprise is this: Patrick did better than fellow Republican and governor-elect Greg Abbott in all Latino categories, compared to NBC exit polling in the governor’s race. Details:

– All Latino voters: Patrick 46, Abbott 44

– Latino men: Patrick 53, Abbott 49

– Latino women: Patrick 40, Abbott 39

Source from The Dallas Morning News: My biggest Texas election surprise: Patrick thumped Van de Putte among Hispanic men

[GOPJ]

Cruz believes, with some justification, that Latinos are fundamentally conservative. Like many immigrant groups, they tend to honor faith, tradition and family. Latino communities stand out for their enterprising spirit, and the large number of small business owners among them are likely receptive to the GOP's pro-business talking points.

Mary Sanchez is right. Latinos will never 'do a Baltimore' - - and someday Cruz will be right - they'll stand with us.

[Reno89519]

Thanks for the details and background. Sounds a lot like a nagging wife that needles on old things all the time. Got one of them, don’t need one online as well. :)

[mdmathis6]

A preacher says the same thing over a gain...Repent and be baptized! If you believe in something that is true...you repeat it! Even alinskyites know of the principle of the “BIG LIE!”(repeating a lie over and over again so that folks start to think of it as true!)

[SoConPubbie]

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[SoConPubbie]

Actions speak louder than words:

Sometimes, Words speak louder:

YouTube Link: Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, in his own words, endorses a path to citizenship for Illegal Aliens and an open border policy in July of last year.

[stephenjohnbanker]

But that is so......last year.

[wardaddy]

I like Walker

But these wishfuls notions on latinos was fought over here 10 years ago

I’ve never changed

Most of the forum saw the light

You do remember when Bushs plan for amnesty was supported here

[pgkdan]

Please take me off this ping list...don't have enough time to keep up with all the posts.

Thanks,
Dan

[marmar]

I am an American of Hispanic decent. My great grandmother was born in Globe, AZ before it was a state. I am looking forward to voting for Ted......he is a patriot and he will do the right thing.

[Theodore R.]

35 percent against a white liberal Democrat in 2012 for the Senate in Texas

[Din Maker]

Well, Mary; what the hell do you think Obama and the Democrats have done for the past 6 years? Nothing of substance has been done for the Hispanic community. Oh, and guess what else! The Democrats have been doing this to the Black community for decades.