Posted on 05/02/2015 1:04:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
"....Like his fellow GOP presidential hopeful, Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, Cruz cannot count on a certain rapport with Latino voters simply because he is Latino himself. Trust doesn't work that way, not in life and not in politics. Hispanic voters are weary of being targeted as a desirable voter demographic to be flattered but not much more. They can spot the phony.
To many critics, Cruz has tried to court two mistresses: tea party conservatives, on the one hand, and Hispanic voters whom he views as ready for takeover by the GOP.
Cruz believes, with some justification, that Latinos are fundamentally conservative. Like many immigrant groups, they tend to honor faith, tradition and family. Latino communities stand out for their enterprising spirit, and the large number of small business owners among them are likely receptive to the GOP's pro-business talking points.
But that doesn't mean that candidates won't have to answer the tough questions about where they stand on significant issues. And if anything was laid out firmly in Cruz' appearance at the Latino Chamber, it was that immigration policy is a problem for him. He has to address it forthrightly, honestly and without wavering, almost as a litmus test before important stands on jobs and the economy can be taken seriously.
Chamber CEO Javier Palomarez pressed Cruz on the point. He noted that Cruz' first campaign ads in English had mentioned his strong opposition to the Affordable Care Act and the executive actions President Obama took on immigration. Meanwhile, his first ad in Spanish left out these points, instead focusing on touching memories of his father's immigration from Cuba. Why, Palomarez asked, was the message different?"....
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...
Your loss. Knowledge is power.
I stand with Ted.....
Who cares what a Chicago columnist thinks????
No I haven't but you're going to say I have because you cannot discuss this w/o admitting that this issue is a hot-button that all the candidates in the primary are dealing with.
There are no "pure" candidates.
As for me being "anti-Cruz," I am not. After Romney lost the election in 2012, I was one of the first out of the gate trumpeting Cruz.
Later I came to the conclusion that Walker was a good conservative and a better candidate - that he had the fight in him to go the distance and get the votes.
I have not gone on other threads to bash Cruz or start threads to bash Cruz. I did however have a lot of pro-Cruz anti-Walker FReepers come on to my threads but that's just life.
Now things are getting closer and positions are solidifying, so I am going to start making comparisons, as the "we must keep vetting Walker" needs to be put to bed if "we can't keep vetting Cruz" stands.
If Walker falls back and Cruz is selected, I will enthusiastically back him as the GOP candidate.
I'd like to think you would do the same for Walker.
No endorsement of the Gang of Eight Work Permit?
Here's what Cruz said in El Paso, according to the New York Time:
“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight...”
So this is just a misunderstanding? This quote was taken out of context? The Amendment was just a trick to show the Democrats were not serious about reforming immigration, a political trick to show the Democrats would not compromise on citizenship?
Cruz offered this Amendment 2 years ago. Cruz made this statement in El Paso 18 months ago.
A lot of immigration specialists, like Mickey Kaus at the Daily Caller, jumped on him immediately for the El Paso statement, and Cruz, as far as I know, made no response at all.
Please correct me, and provide the link, if Cruz did respond to Kaus or other writers 18 months ago.
If he said nothing, then he allowed Texas Hispanics to think he supported the Work Permit for 18 months, when, in fact, he did not.
Since Cruz now says he was misunderstood, does that mean he has supported deportation for all illegals for the last 18 months?
I look forward to seeing Cruz give THAT speech in El Paso!
That's just another way to say "Cruz is as bad as my candidate (on immigration)".
Walker was never mentioned in the article or your first comment about it. Why then, finally come upon "Cruz is the same (or bad as) Walker on immigration?". I see it as a subtle attack on Cruz because he is a real threat to liberals and a lot of candidates who are considered conservative.
I don't want to bash Walker because if he does rise and win over Cruz I'll accept it and vote for him. That doesn't mean I'll sit here and let subtle threads designed to highlight Cruz in a bad way happen either.
I DON'T post original threads for either candidate. I endorse Cruz wherever I can and try to keep from commenting about Walker in a bad way except when it gets out of the realm of normal discourse and information, particularly when such discussion is designed to 'illustrate' the foibles of Cruz when ignoring one's own candidate.
Liberals like Mary Sanchez are susceptable to projection and confirmation bias in their analysis of political (and other) activities.
Cruz isn’t trying to “win” the Hispanic vote. He’s:
1 trying to peel off enough Hispanic votes to matter and
2 trying to demonstrate to middle of the road voters that he’s not anti immigrant/Hispanic.
I guess that I posted remarks by Rubio and Bush (as well as the Cruz and Walker) on this same thread just didn't enter into your calculations when you'd decided that I was bashing Cruz.
AGAIN I will say we must be honest that this is a hot-button issue for all the candidates. That there are no "pure" candidates.
I've said my peace on this. You're just playing wack-a-mole now.
Then I guess you’re the mole. I’ve said my piece and you never did answer anything with any substance. You can go on off now and start some other threads.
And that made him think Hispanic voters could be taken over by the GOP?Darn right, we're optimistic in Texas we can get more votes of conservative Hispanics!
The 2012 data you cited (35%) came from telephone interviews in Texas and not exit polls. Evidently, no exit polling data was collected that year in Texas according to the article at the link you provided.
More instructive from the recent 2014 election in Texas, NBC exit polling shows real hope for progress among Hispanic voters. Dan Patrick was the Republican winner for Lt. Governor who was most vocal about border security and removing benefits to illegal aliens. Note that he received 53% of male Hispanic votes in the exit polls.
Another surprise is this: Patrick did better than fellow Republican and governor-elect Greg Abbott in all Latino categories, compared to NBC exit polling in the governors race. Details: All Latino voters: Patrick 46, Abbott 44
Latino men: Patrick 53, Abbott 49
Latino women: Patrick 40, Abbott 39
Source from The Dallas Morning News: My biggest Texas election surprise: Patrick thumped Van de Putte among Hispanic men
Mary Sanchez is right. Latinos will never 'do a Baltimore' - - and someday Cruz will be right - they'll stand with us.
Thanks for the details and background. Sounds a lot like a nagging wife that needles on old things all the time. Got one of them, don’t need one online as well. :)
A preacher says the same thing over a gain...Repent and be baptized! If you believe in something that is true...you repeat it! Even alinskyites know of the principle of the “BIG LIE!”(repeating a lie over and over again so that folks start to think of it as true!)
But that is so......last year.
I like Walker
But these wishfuls notions on latinos was fought over here 10 years ago
I’ve never changed
Most of the forum saw the light
You do remember when Bushs plan for amnesty was supported here
Thanks,
Dan
I am an American of Hispanic decent. My great grandmother was born in Globe, AZ before it was a state. I am looking forward to voting for Ted......he is a patriot and he will do the right thing.
35 percent against a white liberal Democrat in 2012 for the Senate in Texas
Well, Mary; what the hell do you think Obama and the Democrats have done for the past 6 years? Nothing of substance has been done for the Hispanic community. Oh, and guess what else! The Democrats have been doing this to the Black community for decades.
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