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What Is The Best 12 Gauge Shotgun Load for Home Defense?
Me ^ | November 5, 2001 | NoControlling LegalAuthority

Posted on 11/05/2001 5:07:23 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority

I would like opinions on the best shotgun shell load for use in a 12 Gauge Shotgun when being used for home defense. I have heard of using bird shot, buck shot and slugs - standard or magnum loads. I have heard of progressive loading such as first round-bird shot, second round-buckshot, third round-slugs.

Considerations seem to include whether you want to blow the door or wall down in the process of stopping the intruder.


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To: BigBlueJon
Thanks so much. I try, as I think you do too, since you clearly understand. By the way, that's around $1.60 in dimes, if memory serves. The gunfighters of old are reputed to have carried paper money in their empty, hammer-down chambers, for their own "buryin' money," should they lose in the confrontation. I guess this is a 20th. century version of giving change! Grisly, though. May it never have to happen again. All the best to you, Jon.
151 posted on 11/06/2001 7:32:32 PM PST by PoorMuttly
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Bookmark
152 posted on 01/15/2004 9:35:38 AM PST by Warhammer ("Where are you going?" "I'm going to pick a fight" -- Braveheart)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Remington 870 12 ga pump, 20" slug barrel with 7 shot mag extension. 2 3/4" 00 Buck magmuns, 12 pellets each. This is what I keep handy.
153 posted on 01/15/2004 9:39:08 AM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Hmmm... Strange. I would've expected to see more BPS fans. That's where my vote goes.
154 posted on 01/15/2004 9:40:26 AM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
I am really getting tired of the "cycling round scares the intruder" bit. In a real home defense situation I definately want suprise on my side and in my home it will always be. I know the layout by heart and can travel in utter darkness. Couple this with good marksmanship skills and a 357 and my odds go considerably. "cycling a round " while an intruder is IN your home could just as likey get your backside loaded full of lead.
155 posted on 01/15/2004 11:21:46 AM PST by ping jockey (It only takes $.13 to do the job correctly.)
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To: Give Piece A Chance

The cheap little fiber optic sights are pretty good, too.


157 posted on 11/28/2005 11:48:45 AM PST by lugsoul
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To: Vision

That is the correct series of loads. Also, practice shooting from the hip. Recoil becomes not a problem, and you have a couple more feet to swing around. Push the muzzle down and away to compensate for line of aim. This is most important if it is dark.


158 posted on 11/28/2005 11:52:14 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: zook

You need a pump...nothing like the sound of a pump jacking a shell into the chamber in the dark! :-)


159 posted on 11/28/2005 12:02:05 PM PST by Redleg Duke (9/11 - "WE WILL NEVER FORGET!")
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I load my own 12ga 3in with BB and #4 Buck in Rossi Coach gun.
160 posted on 11/28/2005 12:03:53 PM PST by Nalu
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To: Road Pavement

Lemme guess - you signed up today and bumped an old home defense thread with a call to use an illegal weapon in order to salt FR with some posts to use against it later.


161 posted on 11/28/2005 12:04:24 PM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Marauder
Leave the chamber empty; if you find a burglar busily loading up your stuff, you will have fun watching him load up his pants when you rack the slide.

I have a couple of old Winchester Model 12's. They make a sound when loading that will most certainly loosen the bowels of any intruder.

162 posted on 11/28/2005 12:13:16 PM PST by IamConservative (Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most times will pick himself up and carry on.)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

You figure anything you shoot in your house is probably going to be within 15 feet so in my opinion it doesn't really matter what shot size you use. Once you pull the trigger, your next major concern is how to clean up the mess......


163 posted on 11/28/2005 12:20:42 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (It must suck being an Islamofascist....... they don't get Christmas presents.....)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
Remington 870 is best in that department.

My Winchester Defender does a pretty good job as well.;


164 posted on 11/28/2005 12:28:28 PM PST by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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To: BigBlueJon

A cinder block just sitting there will react VERY differently than a cinder block holding up a house. The former will disintegrate rapidly in a delightful manner; the latter will just go "ow, stop that".


165 posted on 11/28/2005 12:41:41 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Probably makes no difference. If you inside your home any load of shot will do the trick since it will be at very close range. A slug is probably not a good idea since you are more likely to miss.


166 posted on 11/28/2005 12:45:28 PM PST by Casloy
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To: ctdonath2

Wow, you all have reached way back...some threads never die and only get better with age...Thanks for the reply.


167 posted on 11/28/2005 12:53:45 PM PST by BigBlueJon
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To: All
Sheetrock Penetration tests
168 posted on 11/28/2005 12:54:35 PM PST by Bear_Slayer
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To: BigBlueJon; lugsoul
Ask lugsoul what prompted him to resurrect this. I just saw the title on the "latests posts" page; didn't check to see that the thread was two years old.
169 posted on 11/28/2005 1:07:31 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Casloy

At close range, you are not more likely to miss with a slug; shot does not spread appreciably within normal indoor distances.


170 posted on 11/28/2005 1:09:00 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2
Ask lugsoul what prompted him to resurrect this.

Actually started up by the pulled post before lugsoul, by a banned troll.

171 posted on 11/28/2005 1:10:03 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: ctdonath2; BigBlueJon

I think that removed post (156?) revived it. I saw it in the forum, click and posted before I realized I had posted on the same thread many months ago.


172 posted on 11/28/2005 1:11:58 PM PST by lugsoul
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To: porte des morts
... ammo for scatterguns.(shrapnel rounds,razor rounds,flare rounds,...

Obviously, rounds intended for serious "social work".

173 posted on 11/28/2005 1:13:34 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: MileHi; ctdonath2; lugsoul

Some twerp who signed up today resurrected this thread by posting that his weapon of choice would be a sawed-off shotgun and he would just blow someone's face away with it. He probably wanted to slip a post into FR that he could use later as evidence of our conservative gun-nut derangement. However, his MO is pretty obvious by now.


174 posted on 11/28/2005 1:28:33 PM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: dirtboy
They are just SOOOO clever!

NOT!

175 posted on 11/28/2005 1:45:53 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

My fav: #2 steel. A bit much indoors and sort ranges but also great for longer shots and outdoors.


176 posted on 11/28/2005 1:51:16 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: All

Thanks to all for the replies. My question to start this thread was in 2001.


177 posted on 11/28/2005 2:47:59 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Some good, some not so good advise. Any quality pump shotgun will do, preferrably 12 gauge. Thirty inches of piano wire with crimped on split shot fishing sinkers is devistating if you load your own. If you don't hand load, use light target loads to protect from over penitration. If the wound doesn't kill the surgery to remove 720 pellits will.
Slugs and buckshot can be lethal to your neighbors. Don't use them for home defense.
Can you say CHEESE PLEASE ????


178 posted on 11/30/2005 4:00:32 PM PST by big fish 90
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To: Nov3
Urban Myth. Birdshot at close range is like a slug. It will handily penetrate sheetrock like it isn't there.

I knew a guy who took a good half of a guy's face off with birdshot and left part of it on the wall. The slimey creep still managed to get outside and collapse in a neighbors front yard. He died later. This guy was a real piece of work. He would sneak into a house, sometimes repeatedly, and open up a bunch of escape routes. He would then molest females of any age in the house. After his third or fourth visit my acquaintance waited up for him. Anyone from Bucks County PA might remember this creep. He was active in the very early 70s.

179 posted on 11/30/2005 4:34:46 PM PST by Stentor
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To: Stentor

Great. Just noticed this was a 100 year old thread.


180 posted on 11/30/2005 4:36:43 PM PST by Stentor
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To: PoorMuttly

AKA Hooch or Hut Busters. Candy Cane loads were layers of dimes and carpet tacks...due to wet conditions, we sealed the crimp with nail polish. The Ithaca 37 with a duckbill muzzle attachment and pistol grip would only work with NAV issued #4 buck and useless as t*ts on a bull past 6-7 yards depending on vegetation.


181 posted on 08/08/2006 7:46:03 PM PDT by CigarChef
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To: RiflemanSharpe
I love this guy:
182 posted on 11/24/2006 7:54:54 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: RiflemanSharpe
Sorry, let's try that again:
183 posted on 11/24/2006 7:56:19 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Bird shot.....point in general direction of soon to be dead person and squeeze trigger


184 posted on 11/24/2006 7:56:20 AM PST by StoneColdTaxHater
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To: RiflemanSharpe
Sorry, let's try that again:
185 posted on 11/24/2006 7:57:20 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: error99

Nice,
I've got one with a Knoxx, Spec Ops double recoil reducing action that takes all the kick out of it... Holds 8 +1 rounds, to boot....


186 posted on 11/24/2006 8:02:17 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: JewishRighter

I've got that, except mine is not OD/parked....


187 posted on 11/24/2006 8:04:07 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Within the first 5 to 10 yards it really doesn't matter, so I use birdshot. Also I strongly suggest people go to a range to see how small the pattern is at that range.

Also for those who talk about "sweeping" a house with short barrels etc IMHO you are morons. If you go after a perp in YOUR house you are asking for trouble. If it comes to it I wait in a room behind a closed door with my family behind me. You know your house, and will likely be able to hear them coming. Screw the "rack" sound - the first thing a perp is going to hear is an explosion as soon as they try the door.


188 posted on 11/24/2006 8:05:41 AM PST by freedomlover (Sorry, a tagline occurred. The tagline has been logged.)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

A Remington 870 pump with double-ought buckshot is what I have.


189 posted on 11/24/2006 8:12:28 AM PST by IndyTiger
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To: logos

"At the likely ranges inside a house, it has the same punch as lead or steel bird or buck. At longer ranges it won't kill, but the perp will never, ever forget you shot him, either."

Leave him alive so he can sue you? I don't think so.


190 posted on 11/24/2006 8:23:14 AM PST by dljordan
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

"That would be nice if you wanna piss me off if you wanna stop me you better get a barrel of deer slugs"

If you get shot from ten feet with No. 6 shot you're not going anywhere. It will tear you up really badly and the hydrostatic shock is going to out you down.


191 posted on 11/24/2006 8:26:14 AM PST by dljordan
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Good morning.
"What say Ye?"

My Remington 870 has two dove and quail loads followed by five OO buck rounds.

A threat that isn't persuaded by the smaller shot will get the buckshot and the door will get replaced later.

Of course I live in a sparsely populated area and don't have to worry about messing up the neighbor's apartment.

Michael Frazier
192 posted on 11/24/2006 8:30:18 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Well...what did you end up going with?


193 posted on 11/24/2006 8:34:59 AM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: ping jockey
I am really getting tired of the "cycling round scares the intruder" bit. In a real home defense situation I definately want suprise on my side and in my home it will always be. I know the layout by heart and can travel in utter darkness. Couple this with good marksmanship skills and a 357 and my odds go considerably. "cycling a round " while an intruder is IN your home could just as likey get your backside loaded full of lead.

Finally, someone with a wee bit of sense.

The first and last indication said goblin should get that you're onto him is a concussive boom and searing pain that lasts just a second (or two at the most).

A warning is for belligerent family members only.
194 posted on 11/24/2006 8:53:54 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: brazzaville

Iside my home the intruder dies. I fire repeadedly until no discernable movement is detected, I check the perp for lifesigns. If any are found I fire once more at close range. Then I call authorities if that has not already occured. Be a real shame to shoot twice , pick up the phone and have one of my family take a finale blow from a dying scumbag.


195 posted on 11/24/2006 6:36:29 PM PST by ping jockey (We have sissy's for leaders and WE will pay the highest cost.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If your not sure what a 12 gauge will do at the distance you might use it at , do some testing for yourself.
Up close any bb shot acts like a slug (pretty much), just keep in mind whats behind the wall or door ,a slug will go through many walls, small shot ...1 maybe 2 walls. Too many variables, do some testing

#6 to 8 shot should be good for most....imo


196 posted on 01/02/2008 8:21:01 AM PST by Johndavid24
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To: Johndavid24
You do realize you responded to a six-year old post?

:)

197 posted on 01/02/2008 8:30:45 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: houeto

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