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The Shroud Of Turin Is Not Jesus' Burial Cloths
Patheos ^ | March 2, 2015 | Kermit Zarley

Posted on 07/17/2018 1:36:35 AM PDT by Sontagged

Tonight, CNN presented a one hour television documentary special entitled “Finding Jesus: Faith, Fact, Forgery.”

I thought this title was inappropriate because the entire episode was about whether or not the Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus. Thus, the title should have had “Shroud of Turin” in it or the like. CNN did some advertising of this special, so I think they were a bit deceptive about whole thing. They interviewed some scholars, including Ben Witherington III who is a friend of mine.

I am always surprised by the attention given the Shroud of Turin by many people who supposedly believe the New Testament gospels are historically authentic. If you believe what the Gospel of John says about Jesus’ burial and his disciples examining his empty tomb, then you should believe the last word in the title of this documentary, that the Shroud of Turin is a “forgery.” Thus, there is no need to do radiocarbon dating (which dates it to Medieval times) and other scientific testing of this supposed shroud of a crucified man to learn whether or not Jesus’ body could have been wrapped with it. The Gospel of John clearly reveals that it wasn’t.

The Shroud of Turin is a single, fourteen-foot long by three-and-a-half-foot wide rectangular-shaped linen cloth that supposedly was discovered, or at least first surfaced, during the fourteenth century. It seems to bear the blood stains of the body of a crucified man as well as his face. It is kept secure by the Catholic Church in Turin, Italy, and that is why it is called the Shroud of Turin.

Many Christians have believed that it is the original burial cloth of Jesus, thus supposing that his dead body was wrapped with a single burial cloth. That’s why it cannot be the remains of the burial wrappings of Jesus of Nazareth, at least according to the Gospel of John. When you see these television documentaries about the Shroud of Turin, and there have been several, they invariably always avoid these biblical details.

In the NRSV, the Gospel of John says that early Sunday morning, after Jesus had been buried Friday afternoon, “Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb” entrance (John 20.1). Comparing the other three New Testament gospels, Mary accompanied several other women there, at least four. She then ran to tell the Apostle Peter and “the other disciple” (v. 2), who presumably was the Apostle John.

She reported to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him” (v. 2). The “we” refers to the other women who accompanied her to the tomb. By “take” she likely means grave robbing, though they could have thought of the gardener placing the body somewhere else. Peter and John then ran to the tomb.

Comparing the other gospels, it appears that the other women had left the tomb before Peter and John arrived there. The Gospel of John then says, “the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. He bent down to look in and saw the linen wrappings lying there, but he did not go in” (vv. 4-5).

Since it was a hewn tomb with a tombstone guarding its entrance, Jesus’ dead body customarily would have been placed on a hewn ledge about knee high. Thus, the abandoned “linen wrappings” whould have been “lying there” on the ledge.

We next read, “Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen wrappings lying there, and the cloth that had been on Jesus head, not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself” (John 20.6-7). This report provides two physical evidences which clearly deem the Shroud of Turin a fake.

First, Jesus’ body had not been been wrapped with a single grave cloth, as the Shroud of Turin; rather, the Gospel of John relates four times about “linen wrappings,” which is always plural, so that even the body itself, disregarding the head, had been wrapped with multiple clothes (John 19.40; 20.5-7).

The Greek text has othonion/othonia, which means “sheets.” Could they have been “strips” of cloth as the Egyptians did? It should be noted that Jews, like Egyptians, were very particular about how they prepared human corpses for burial. Jews likely wrapped such bodies with several strips of cloth, thus not a single cloth.

The main reason was that they interspersed spices with layered, multiple wrappings in order to further preserve the body from decay. A single cloth the size of the Shroud of Turin with spices could not possibly have preserved a dead body as long as multiple cloths with spices could have.

Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus together had prepared Jesus’ corpse for burial by sprinkling 65-75 pounds (the NRSV says “weighing about a hundred pounds”) of an expensive “mixture of myrrh and aloes” among the linen strips “according to the burial custom of the Jews” (John 19.39-40). They could not have done this with such a large amount of spices with the Shroud of Turin.

And such a single cloth would have been more difficult to purchase in the marketplace than much smaller sheets or strips. Plus, multiple sheets or strips would have been much easier to wrap the body with than the Shroud of Turin.

Second, Peter entered the tomb first and “saw the linen wrappings lying there” and “the cloth that had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself” (John 20.6-7). This detail about the body wrappings and headcloth lying separately is most significant concerning the Shroud or Turin, but especially regarding Jesus’ resurrection.

I just finished and posted on this blog the third of a three-part review of Dr. Bart Ehrman’s book entitled How Jesus Became God. Ehrman is the best-selling Jesus researcher in the U.S. He is a professing agnostic and also an apostate from evangelical Christianity, yet a professor of the New Testment and the history of Christian origins.

He claims in this book that there is no evidence reported in the gospels which indicates that Jesus really did arise from the dead. He says (p. 143), “belief or unbelief in Jesus’s resurrection is a matter of faith, not of historical knowledge.” He also says (p. 173), “it is not the historical data that make a person a believer.”

Not so for the “other disciple,” who was probably the Apostle John. For we next read of him, “Then the other disciple, who reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed; for as yet they did not understand the scripture, that he must rise from the dead” (John 20.8-9).

So, John “saw and believed.” He therefore was the first disciple to believe in Jesus’ resurrection. It is often erroneously reported that Mary Magdalene was the first disciple to believe in Jesus’ resurrection. For, soon after Peter and John departed from the tomb, the Gospel of John reports that Mary returned to the tomb and there became the first disciple to see the risen Jesus. He talked to her and gave her a message to give to his male disciples (John 20.11-18).

So, she returned to the house to tell the disciples, “I have seen the Lord” (v. 18). She is therefore sometimes called “the apostle to the apostles.” That is all well and good except that she also is often perceived wrongly as the first to believe in Jesus’ resurrection. John was the first to believe.

What did John see that caused him to believe Jesus had risen from the dead? He saw what the text reports immediately prior–“the linen wrappings lying there, and the cloth that had been on Jesus head, not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself.” Recall that Mary had told Peter and John, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb.”

Thus, when Peter and John arrived at the tomb, entered, and looked around, they would have been thinking about the possibility of someone having taken the corpse out of the tomb. In the Roman Empire, grave robbing at that time was a crime punishable by death.

But what John saw convinced him not only that no one had taken Jesus’ corpse out of the tomb, but that Jesus had risen from the dead and exited the tomb on his own. How so?

First, John probably reasoned that a grave robber or robbers would not have taken the time to unwrap the multiple, layered, linen wrappings and thereby subjected himself or themselves more readily to being noticed and perhaps arrested by Roman authorities.

Furthermore, what purpose would have been served for a robber, robbers, or the gardener to remove the wrappings? And even if robbers had removed them, the robbers likely would flung those wrappings wherever, not bothering to roll up the face cloth neatly, and gotten out of there as fast as possible to avoid capture.

Second, a robber or robbers would not have taken more time to carefully roll up or fold the separate head cloth and then lay it to one side, separate from the bodily wrappings.

Third, since more attention had been given to Jesus’ condemnation and crucifixion than to a usual crucified criminal, Jesus’ bared face would have further endangered the robber(s) mission as they carried Jesus’ body away.

Such reasoning surely would have caused John to recall the three times during Jesus’ private ministry to his apostles when he told them explicitly that he would be killed at Jerusalem and arise from the dead on the third day, yet they had not understood or believed it (Matt 16.21-22; 17.22-23; 20.18-19; Mark 8.31-32; 9.31-32; 10.33-34; Luke 9.22; 9.44-45; 18.31-34).

ThirdDayBibleCodeFrontCoverI made the image on the front cover of my book, The Third Day Bible Code. I did so by first building what looked like a ledge out of a plywood sheet, covered it lightly with sand, sprayed glue on it, spray painted it, laid white clothes separated at opposite ends of the ledge, and then took studio photos of it.

I then merged the best photo of it with a photo taken from inside a cave looking out through the cave opening. Then I merged the two photos together. The result was an assimilated Jesus’ tomb looking from atop the back of the ledge toward the tomb opening. It even turned out better than I expected it would. I have never seen any photo, painting, or drawing like it.

My main purpose for this front cover image of my book was to highlight Jesus’ separated burial clothes as substantial physical evidence indicating that he had indeed risen from the dead and it was this evidence that caused the Apostle John to be the first of Jesus’ disciples who believed in his resurrection.

Thus, it happened due to this tomb evidence rather than what happened with all of the other disciples–they later believed when they saw the risen Jesus as he appeared to them on various occasions as reported in the NT gospels.

So, I think what probably happened was that Jesus came to life while lying on the ledge in the tomb. Then he would have sat up and begun removing his grave clothes. He would have first removed the head cloth and laid it aside, probably where his head had lain. Then he would have removed the body wrappings and perhaps laid them on the other side of the ledge, thus at the opposite end where his feet had lain.

Of course, this is conjecture about Jesus removing the grave cloths. When Lazarus walked out his grave, Jesus told those nearby, “Unbind him” (John 11.44), as if he was unable to unbind himself.

So, we don’t know if the two angels who later appeared to the disciples at Jesus’ empty tomb had unbound Jesus themselves. (One “angel/man” in Matt. 28.2 and Mark 16.5, but two “men/angels” in Luke 24.4 and John 20.12.)

Also, the single, Johannine account of Jesus raising his friend Lazarus from the dead testifies against the Shroud of Turin being the burial cloth of Jesus (John 11.17-44).

How so? Lazarus walked out of the tomb.

How could he have done that if he was wrapped in a single sheet like that of the Shroud of Turin?

After Jesus shouted, “Lazarus, come out,” we read, “The dead man came out, his hands and feet bound with strips of cloth, and his face wrapped in a cloth. Jesus said to them, ‘Unbind him, and let him go'” (John 11.44 NRSV).

Lazarus walking out of the tomb on his own obviously indicates that his limbs were bound separately from his body, so that strips of cloth must have wound around each arm and leg, and his face was wrapped with a separate cloth from the strips around his body and limbs.

This was the customary manner in which Jews buried their dead. For, of Jesus’ body we read, “They took the body of Jesus and wrapped it with the spices in linen cloths, according to the burial custom of the Jews” (John 19.40 NRSV).

So, Jesus’ body and Lazarus’ body would have been prepared for entombment in the same manner. Both walked out of their tombs while still wrapped in grave cloths.

The Shroud of Turin is a single piece of cloth that supposedly was wrapped around the entire deceased body, thus including its head, with its arms against the sides of the body. That does not correspond at all to the Gospel of John regarding the wrappings of either Lazarus or Jesus. If Lazarus’ entire body had been wrapped with a single piece of cloth similar to the Shroud of Turn, he could not have walked out of the tomb.

Similar to the Shroud of Turin, the Sudarium of Oviedo is a separate article from the Shroud, and it is kept in Oviedo, Spain. It is called “sudarium” because the word in the Greek text for Jesus’ head cloth is sudarion. The Sudarium of Oviedo is about three feet square and has what some believe are blood stains. It is purported to be Jesus’ burial head cloth that laid separately from the grave clothes in accordance with John 20.6-7.

But this supposed artifact does not pass radiocarbon testing, dating back to no earlier than AD 700, and few believe it is actually Jesus’ face cloth.

In conclusion, if people would just read and believe the Bible, they would not so easily be duped by such falsely purported artifacts as the Shroud of Turin being Jesus’ burial cloth.



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To: Sontagged
A Biblical citation from your posted article: ”After Jesus shouted, “Lazarus, come out,” we read, “The dead man came out, his hands and feet bound with strips of cloth, and his face wrapped in a cloth. Jesus said to them, ‘Unbind him, and let him go'” (John 11.44 NRSV).

That citation is more supportive of what I have posted about the Mishnah’s writings of Jewish burial practices than the claims of ignorant people conflating Egyptian bandage wrapping techniques to the Jews of the first century, of which there is ZERO EVIDENCE. The Biblical passage states there were just bindings of strips of cloth at Lazarus’ hands and feet, not wrapped bindings all around his legs and arms. Jesus did not say “unwrap him” and let him go. He said “Unbind him, and let him go.” That is a much simpler task than unwinding swaddling bandages involving just untying the knots on the bindings holding his arms and legs together.

It also says he had a cloth over his head. It does NOT say his body was covered in bandages or strips of cloth. That is pretty definitive and comports with the burial practices outlined in the Mishnah, which is what Jews would have been compelled to follow.

The bandages and strips of cloth are conflations of later ENGLISH translations from the Greek original language of the New Testement and ignorant assumptions of readers based on 18th Century discoveries of bandage wrapped mummies in Egypt and the mistaken assumption that burial practices of two middle Eastern cultures, both prominently featured in the Bible, must be similar. Yet there is no Biblical, scientific, or archaeological foundation for these assumptions. None.

41 posted on 07/17/2018 9:26:42 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: MHGinTN; Sontagged
A Physicist who has done extensive study of the Shroud notes that the image on the cloth has both fron and back, without incursion into either image by the other. Example: had the image been made from outside the cloth, as in radiation coming into the cloth to leave an image, there would be at least faint imagery incursion of front onto the back or back onto the front. The image registers as energy radiated from within going outward in all directions, thus no overlay of one perspective over the other.

The other odd thing, which addresses the complaint that it doesn’t form a widened image, is that the image is inexplicably vertically collimated, going straight up and down, within the limits of measurement not deviating from the vertical by even 1º!

No radiation, gas, or any known means of image creation except a laser or maser does that. . . but this source does it vertically from every point on the body and the energy which caused the image attenuated with distance fading to obscurity of its effect within 2.5 to 4 centimeters but still causing its change in the fibers of the cloth even further, just not enough to be visible to the human eye but capable of being enhanced by modern computers up to 8 to 10 centimeters for details such that Barrie Schwortz told me that under computer enhancement it could be discerned that the man on the Shroud had been circumcised. It’s almost as if some inexplicable force suddenly caused every molecule and atom of the body to act as a pulsed LED emitter of collimated “slow” light, which could only reach just so far before fading out.

This energy also revealed the orbits of the eyes and the teeth in the mouth, as well as the phalanges bones of the fingers and hand, so it has an X radiation component. . . something never seen in a photographic image.

42 posted on 07/17/2018 9:51:56 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Ambrosia
Jesus did not walk out with his burial clothes on....that was Lazarus. See Luke 24: 8-12 See below:

Ambrosia, I am completely aware of that fact. The author of the article apparently is not. The following is a direct quote from the article:

“So, Jesus’ body and Lazarus’ body would have been prepared for entombment in the same manner. Both walked out of their tombs while still wrapped in grave cloths.

The author claims both Lazarus and Jesus walked out of their tombs while still wrapped in their respective grave clothes. That is literally not possible in Jesus’ case as it is quite plain they were left behind in the tomb, unless the author wants to say Jesus went back in and laid them back on the niche after finding suitable clothing elsewhere on a nearby clothesline. Maybe that is what he means? After all we can’t have a naked Jesus walking around, can we? Yeah, I’m being facetious.

43 posted on 07/17/2018 10:03:33 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker

A careful reading of the Greek indicates that Peter saw the shroud covering lying on the shelf as if it just sagged when a body no loner occupied the wrap, as if the body ‘evaporated from the wrap. Also, Jesus left the tomb without rolling away the stone. The stone was rolled away by the Angel to let the women view the inside of the tomb.


44 posted on 07/17/2018 11:12:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: vladimir998

Vlad ol’ boy! How ya been?


45 posted on 07/17/2018 11:48:57 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Yep!


46 posted on 07/17/2018 11:52:02 AM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: SunkenCiv

TY GBU


47 posted on 07/17/2018 11:54:56 AM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Yes...


48 posted on 07/17/2018 12:10:48 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: ealgeone

Still vertical. That’s half the battle. How about you?


49 posted on 07/17/2018 12:11:26 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: newfreep
To this day, technology has not been able to duplicate

Turin Shroud

The authors claim that they have reproduced the effects on a small scale, using chemicals in use in the 1500s (they give the formula). They claim it is similar to a daguerreotype but using cloth.

To me, the interesting part was debunking the climate-change "science" used to authenticate it.

The biggest surprise was that it was known how to capture an image clear back to Roman times, but they could never figure how to fix the image so it wouldn't fade. The authors did, by exposing the cloth to heat, similar to how you exposed a message written in lemon juice, giving it that scorched effect. (No they didn't claim the image was drawn.)

An interesting "outside the box" theory and would be worthy of a photography class project.

50 posted on 07/17/2018 12:15:53 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: Oatka

That’s the book I read in the early 90’s... that got me out of thinking the Shroud was real... thanks.. not sure if I still have it.


51 posted on 07/17/2018 12:20:16 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: Swordmaker

There may be no ultimate way to know because it is a record of a supernatural event (the science hints yhat much). Could it be in the same vein as apparently miraculous images of saints? Whoever made it knew of Christ. Yet as the Lord said to the Thomas whose doubt He specially stooped to, blessed are those who didn’t see and yet believed. I personally am a hard case Thomas. I can understand why the Shroud whether it’s also His actual burial cloth. But those whom the Shroud helps genuinely believe unto receiving salvation will take that belief with them away from the Shroud.


52 posted on 07/17/2018 1:00:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Swordmaker

There is more false claims in his article. The Talmud burial, and the head cloth, which is removed before Shroud added. I apologize this explanation is long.

There is confusion about the head cloth found in Jesus Tomb, and no one seems to understand that at time of death on the Cross of Jesus, the head was covered immediately with a smaller cloth. NOW, I do not advocate that The Ovieda Cloth found was the one placed on Jesus head, only that there are two clothes at time of death and burial. One for head, removed, when later the Shroud. Jesus was a JEW...so therefore, Jewish burial as referenced in The Talmud would have been used, and Joseph of A was one who buried him with 2 others.

1) https://www.newgeology.us/presentation24.html
This quote is from the link:
“The Oviedo (FACE) Cloth was placed around the head at the time of death on the Cross and remained there until the body was to be covered by the Shroud in the Garden Tomb.  Then it was removed and placed to one side (John 20:7).  Oviedo scholar Mark Guscin notes that the practice of covering the face is referenced in the Talmud (Moed Katan 27a).  He adds that Rabbi Alfred Kolatch of New York talks of the Kevod Ha-Met or “respect for the dead” as the reason for covering the head.  Rabbi Michael Tuktzinsky of Jerusalem in his Sefer Gesher Cha’yim (Volume 1, Chapter 3, 1911) offers as a reason that it is a hardship for onlookers to gaze on the face of a dead person.”
Unquote

2) a. The Jewish Talmud was the defining word on Jesus hanging (crucifixtion), so would not the Talmud of Jewish Law and Tradition have ruled his burial...used by all Jews.

b. a description of a the Jewish burial ritual, as it applied to Jesus. This link explains a Talmud ritual.

https://jaymack.net/english/life-of-christ-commentary/Lx-The-Burial-of-Jesus-in-the-Tomb.php

And you have the Shroud of Turin website for more info.

I believe Joseph of A. folded the head cloth and laid it in the tomb, when they wrapped Jesus in the Shroud. So that explains the two cloths. The size of the Shroud, 14’X 3.5’ would have been supplied by Joseph of A., who was a wealthy man. He believed Jesus was the Christ and would he not have given his best!

There are other things people misunderstand in Bible, and I will leave that until another time!

Thanks for reading. el


53 posted on 07/17/2018 1:09:58 PM PDT by Ambrosia (Born in NC, then PA, NY,WV, NM, SC, and FL & back God/Freedom=Priority!)
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To: Swordmaker

The bible makes it pretty plain that Jesus’ and Lazarus’ resurrection scenarios played out differently.


54 posted on 07/17/2018 1:12:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: vladimir998

Yep. Still above ground!


55 posted on 07/17/2018 1:57:57 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Swordmaker

In my #53 post I made two grammar errors, and used ‘is’ instead of ‘are’ in first sentence. Later, I mentioned 2 others, when I talked of Joseph of A burying Jesus. There were two other men who helped him, and not that he buried two others. LOL

I put that together when Kaiden (20 mo) was sleeping, and did not take enough time to proof well. My apologies. I have busy days, and do my best. el


56 posted on 07/17/2018 5:01:26 PM PDT by Ambrosia (Born in NC, then PA, NY,WV, NM, SC, and FL & back God/Freedom=Priority!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What became of Lazarus? It’s only appointed unto man to die once.


57 posted on 07/17/2018 5:34:46 PM PDT by damper99
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To: damper99

Excellent question. Perhaps in anticipation of the miracle he only “slept.”


58 posted on 07/17/2018 6:04:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: damper99

Excellent question. Perhaps in anticipation of the miracle he only “slept.”

I.e. in some manner it was a “living death” — by way of illustrating the sad situation of those who don’t yet know the Lord unto salvation. I’m only suggesting it as a rank amateur theologian. I’m sure the pros will go back and forth about it.


59 posted on 07/17/2018 6:09:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Sontagged

Sophistry.


60 posted on 07/18/2018 12:19:56 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (President Trump divides Americans . . . from anti-Americans.)
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