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  • Study: Artificial Sweeteners may promote diabetes

    09/17/2014 3:10:31 PM PDT · 38 of 42
    Mase to Olog-hai
    From the article:

      Christopher Gardner, a nutrition expert at Stanford University who didn't participate in the study, said saccharin doses given the volunteers were within federal dietary guidelines but still much higher than what a typical person would consume - the equivalent of 42 12-once sodas a day for a person weighing 150 pounds.

    Say what? Who drinks 42 cans of soda in a day? If this is correct, and I cannot imagine it is, I don't know why anyone would give the study any credibility.

    If you overwhelm the body with anything, bad sh*t is gonna happen to your health.

  • O's WIN AL EAST! <Vanity>

    09/16/2014 9:01:54 PM PDT · 19 of 32
    Mase to House Atreides
    How Bout ‘Dem O’s, Hon.
  • Lethbridge student suspended for dealing banned Pepsi from locker

    09/15/2014 3:38:06 PM PDT · 77 of 80
    Mase to chajin
    The orthophosphoric acid is bad in both drinks

    Phosphoric acid in soda accounts for only about .2% of the total syrup formula of any given soft drink. Do you think that minute amount of acid is going to affect your health, much less survive the much stronger acid in your stomach? Chemistry is hard.

    but the diet soft drinks, with the aspartame that loves to eat the brain

    Huh? If that's true, then consuming chicken and bananas also eats the human brain away with much greater voracity than aspartame. Who knew?

  • Kanye West tries to shame man in wheelchair into standing during Sydney concert

    09/14/2014 3:26:05 PM PDT · 64 of 70
    Mase to Impala64ssa
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  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 3:33:49 PM PDT · 106 of 138
    Mase to Mr Rogers
    Really? You don’t poop? Ever? And you have 100% absorption of everything? If so, you are not human.

    Oh, good grief. This is such nonsense. The human body is very greedy when it comes to calories and it does a good job of absorbing them regardless of what you poop.

    but it may well be as much muscle loss as fat.

    No, that's not how your body works. Your body burns fat before going to muscle, and then to organs, for energy.

    Humans are not machines.

    The human body is a machine that runs on the food you eat. Those different macronutrients (fat, protein, carbs) can influence how much you eat or how quickly you become satiated, but people get fat for one reason, and that reason is consuming more energy than you expend. Period.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 3:12:35 PM PDT · 105 of 138
    Mase to Neoliberalnot
    Oops. Neglected to link the JAMA published study.

    Comparison of Weight Loss Among Named Diet Programs in Overweight and Obese Adults A Meta-analysis

    The study referenced by the NYT's was a small study, but one that looked at the issue in a unique way. Unfortunately, they didn't follow it through to an end where they could determine if low carb dieters experienced fewer heart attacks. Maybe future research will pick up where they left off. This debate has been ongoing for a long time and there are lots of studies showing that low carb diets work better, but there are an equal number showing that low fat diets work better. I think people should stick with whatever works rather than arguing over which one is better.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 2:59:53 PM PDT · 103 of 138
    Mase to nralife
    These days there are fewer and fewer of you standing on that island and the sea of evidence is overtaking you.

    You should probably spend more time with people who actually studied human nutrition, and who are doing the research that says you're wrong. There are a lot of them, and their conclusions come from sound scientific research, not the self reported calorie studies used by charlatans to sell diet advice and supplements.

    Let me know when you come up with evidence that repudiates the first law of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting. In the meantime, be sure and let Michael Phelps know, along with all the other athletes out there, that they are unhealthy and in danger of becoming obese if they don't get off the carbohydrates. Let them know that ketosis is the better option for their energy needs.

    Common sense, where art thou?

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 2:40:55 PM PDT · 99 of 138
    Mase to Neoliberalnot
    Go figure is right. The answer is so much simpler than people want to make it. In my opinion, they do this to shift blame, or because they really don't understand the science.

    Overeating is a learned behavior. It can also be unlearned. Our society has become increasingly sedentary and no longer possesses a basic understanding of science, especially human nutrition. This is the problem, not some unknown physiological mechanism.

    Obesity in the US is a phenomenon that has risen since WWII and our lifestyles since then have become more dramatically lethargic. Meanwhile, science and technology have combined to make food production and distribution much more efficient so that the average adult spends much less than 20% of their income on food and they have buying power to purchase more than the bare necessity. Nutritional education is lacking and the stigma attached to obesity has been removed so it's OK to be obese.

    The genetic basis that was in our recent ancestors who were relatively trim are the same genes that are in us producing the same enzymes and controlled by the same hormones, yet we are obese. It seems to me that the answer for the majority of us is that we eat too damn much for the calories we burn.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 2:34:23 PM PDT · 98 of 138
    Mase to nralife
    What we are saying is that a diet low in carbs, while even consuming more calories, said person could lose even MORE weight and faster

    It is true that in hypercaloric diet excessive carb consumption can lead to weight gain because of how the body shifts its usage from fat to carbohydrates, and as a result, more fat goes to storage. But to claim that that you can consume more calories and lose more weight as long as those calories don't come from carbohydrates just doesn't make sense.

    When it comes to burning fat cells, a calories is not a calorie.

    You keep changing your story. Now you're off on the burning of fat cells. A calorie is always a calorie. It is a measure of energy. Why people don't understand this is a mystery.

    On top of that, the blood work would be improved and the threat of heart disease lessened.

    Huh? A low carb diet results in a reduction in CHD? The Japanese have a had a diet high in carbohydrates for centuries, but until recently, they were relatively free from heart disease. You guys like making claims that defy simple observation. Our side isn't the only one lacking common sense sometimes.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 2:15:05 PM PDT · 91 of 138
    Mase to Finny
    However, nutrition is chemistry.

    Your comments, unfortunately, don't support what we know to be true about human nutrition and chemistry.

    Michael Phelps consumes, on average, 12,000 calories a day when he's in training. He's an admitted junk food junkie who loves processed food. If what you say were true, he'd be obese. But he's not exactly the poster boy for the low carb diet. You can feed a lab rat anything you want, but he won't get fat if you keep him on the treadmill for eight hours a day.

    Just a few generations ago, obesity in this country was rare, even though our diet was heavily carbohydrate in make up. As a matter of fact, much of what we ate contained the evil, high GI white flour. But we didn't get fat because we worked like mad. Our genetics haven't changed, but our lifestyle certainly has. This is much simpler than you want to make it. Like I said about there being a serious lack of common sense today.

    You can believe what you want to believe, but you cannot not repeal the first law of thermodynamics. And no amount of anecdotes or unscientific examples can make it so.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 2:00:06 PM PDT · 83 of 138
    Mase to nralife
    That's incorrect. The idea is to go into ketosis.

    No, that's incorrect. Because so many of our food choices come from carbohydrates, restricting them results in a lower calorie diet. The Atkins diet is just a lower calorie diet in disguise.

    Now, about ketosis, you can get super lean on a diet loaded with carbs (Michael Phelps eats 12,000 calories a day when he's in training, most of which come from carbs) and you can get fat as a pig on a ketogenic diet. This is a recurring theme. It's all about how much energy you consume vs. what you expend. Ketosis places a great deal of strain on the kidneys and the body ends up excreting a great deal of water. This is why people lose weight quickly from the Atkins diet, but are not able to keep it off.

    No controlled calorie study supports the notion that carbohydrates, fats or proteins offer any metabolic advantage over the minor differences in their TEF - thermic effects of food/feeding, which is the amount of energy required to digest.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 1:47:22 PM PDT · 79 of 138
    Mase to nralife; Neoliberalnot
    When it comes to losing weight, a calorie is not a calorie.

    A calorie is a measure of the amount of energy and it is always the same. It has always been defined in this manner. Amino acids, carbohydrates and fats are all metabolized using different pathways, and yes, there will be different efficiencies for each. But the untrained person rarely understands the difference between a calorie, and the efficiencies of that calorie.

    Not some laboratory equation or a law that appears to not be really relevant to the discussion.

    So if an overweight person consumes 1,200 calories a day, while burning 1,500 calories a day, over an extended period of time, they won't lose weight? How does that work?

    The article referenced in the NYT's is interesting but it certainly does not deny thermodynamics. Yesterday, a meta-analysis was published in JAMA that indicates the source of the calories doesn't matter when it comes to weight loss. The conclusion of the study was that significant weight loss can occur with any low-carbohydrate or low-fat diet. People should use whatever diet works for them instead of debating which one is best. That's because if you burn more energy than you consume, you will lose weight. Same as it ever was.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 1:22:59 PM PDT · 71 of 138
    Mase to Mr Rogers
    Please refrain from discussing laws you know nothing about. The idea that a human functions as a closed system is silly.

    Right. So you're saying that an overweight person can eat 1,200 calories a day, while burning 1,500 calories a day, and not lose weight? I don't think you understand what you think you understand. You can't get something from nothing, but you are absolutely entitled to believe otherwise. You are not alone, unfortunately, which is why guys like Taubes gets rich from selling books, and internet hustlers like Mercola make millions selling supplements. PT Barnum had no idea how right he was.

    what about those of us who have dieted SUCCESSFULLY?

    Then you should know better than to post nonsense.

    Why is it you assume those you disagree with have failed?

    Many fail because they lack discipline. Many others fail because they blame it on something other than the truth. Eat less, exercise more. Same as it ever was.

    The Atkins diet is just another diet fad that is not based on scientific evidence, but it does sell diet books. Telling people they can eat as much as they like of some foods and still lose weight is music to the ears of many. The Atkins diet is based on heavily restricting calories from carbohydrates, which is simply a low calorie diet that results in a net reduction of total calories consumed.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 1:09:10 PM PDT · 69 of 138
    Mase to Interesting Times
    if you burn more calories than you consume, you have to lose weight (note that whether the loss is muscle or fat is not specified).

    Huh? You're here arguing against calories in vs. calories out and you need someone to tell you whether the human body burns fat or muscle tissue first when it needs energy? Really?

    For example, if your body goes into a conservation mode, you simply don’t have the energy to exercise at a high level.

    This is just more nonsense. Anyone who has ever lost weight by restricting calories and exercising has worked through what you call "conservation" mode. You act like no one has ever lost weigh by eating less and exercising more. In what world is that the case?

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 12:56:54 PM PDT · 66 of 138
    Mase to Finny
    HIGHLY RECOMMENDED reading at nralife's link. Great article!

    I think the author of that article means well, and I believe he believes what he's written. Even so, much of what he says is just plain wrong and underscores his lack of education and experience.

    It's true -- thinking solely calories-in, calories-out, is flawed

    No it isn't. It is very simple, total calories is what's important. The ratio of macronutrients is not critical, providing it doesn't lead to malnutrition. The problem here is that telling people the truth, rather than demonizing one macronutrient over another, isn't a very good method for selling diet books and supplements. People don't willingly pay money for common sense advice.

    100 calories from meat and fat or oil metabolize a lot differently than 100 calories from sugar or starches

    You are stating the obvious and something that you will learn in any basic nutrition course. We have known for a long time that there are differing efficiencies for protein, crabs and fat. However, that doesn't change the fact that a calorie remains a measure of the amount of energy and it is always the same.

    I think the big misconception is that eating fat makes you fat

    Fat, just like protein and carbohydrates, will make you fat if you eat too much of it. Fat just happens to contain more than twice the number of calories, per gram, than carbs and protein.

    Taubes is a quack, pure and simple. He relies on studies to support his opinions that use self reported caloric intake. Beyond that obvious flaw, he is extremely selective about what evidence he chooses to use and even prefers his own hunches over the available scientific evidence. Taubes continues to reference scientists who claim he is misrepresenting their work, and selectively quotes them to make it appear that they support his nonsense. Anything for a buck.

    It seems that every dieter who tries to lose weigh, but can't, believes they have some special kind of physiology that defies science. That's when they find their way to charlatans like Taubes who tell them what they want to hear....It's not your fault.....then they come to forums like this to tell us all that it is a scientific fact that the first law of thermodynamics applies to everything on earth but them......because they can't lose weight, and it's not their fault.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 11:17:33 AM PDT · 52 of 138
    Mase to Interesting Times
    That would matter if he was presenting his own opinions.

    Utter nonsense. Taubes's books are rife with his interpretations of the scientific literature. He is well traveled on the speaking circuit defending those opinions and he gets his ass handed to him whenever he tangles with someone possessing an education in human nutritional biology.

    He isn't selling fad diets; he's presenting the results of his examination of the scientific literature.

    But he doesn't have the skill sets necessary to examine the literature. That doesn't stop him, however, from offering his opinion as fact. He's a fist class charlatan who no one would know had it not been for Dr. Atkins.

    If you don't understand that basic fact, you're in no position to criticize his findings.

    LOL. Are you one of those people who looks to a journalist when you want to better your understand of human nutrition? If so, then I suppose you have no problem asking your car mechanic for medical advice. Criticizing Taubes doesn't require a deep understanding of human nutrition. He doesn't even grasp the first law of thermodynamics, and that renders anything he has to say as suspect. Your view of this is why charlatans and snake oil salesmen continue to thrive even in modern times. Always looking for the most complicated solution for the simplest problem will do that. Common sense is in such short supply these days.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 9:56:20 AM PDT · 41 of 138
    Mase to Interesting Times
    One problem is that your metabolism changes when your body thinks it is being starved.

    How does that disprove basic thermodynamics?

    Another issue is that different types of food require different processes to metabolize.

    So what? If I burn more energy than I consume, I will lose weight. The source of that energy doesn't matter.

    If you wish to develop a better understanding of the topic, I recommend the book I linked above.

    Taubes denies the thermodynamic perspective. That's just one of many reasons people should run fast and far from his advice.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 9:49:47 AM PDT · 38 of 138
    Mase to Interesting Times
    Do you realize that Gary Taubes is a journalist and has no formal training in the life sciences whatsoever?

    he's a great writer who happens to have learned how to leverage fad diets into an incredible fortune. He just another charlatan getting rich on the scientific illiteracy of the public.

  • Obesity rates reach historic highs in more U.S. states

    09/04/2014 9:47:07 AM PDT · 35 of 138
    Mase to Aurorales
    It is not “calories in...calories out”. Read up.

    Does your reading repeal the first law of thermodynamics? I think it is you who needs to read more.

    Our nation’s overweight problems are linked to our increased consumption of convenience foods and other foods that are high in carbohydrate counts.

    Our nation is overweight because we're consuming more energy than we burn. It has a lot to do with a sedentary lifestyle. Sitting around eating crap while playing video games results in a much different outcome than running around outside until you are forced to come home and eat dinner.

    As a nation, we consumed huge quantities of carbohydrates a few generations ago, yet obesity was rare. That's because we worked like hell and burned it off. Our genes haven't changed, but our lifestyle has. Focusing on the source of the calories is just another distraction brought to you by people with an agenda that involves politics or taking your money. Same as it ever was.

  • Albino Cobra Loose In Thousand Oaks After Biting Dog

    09/04/2014 9:18:02 AM PDT · 72 of 74
    Mase to Salamander
    Spent a lot of time in Thailand back in the late 80's. This particular cobra is highly aggressive and kills a hell of a lot of people every year. It is not uncommon to find them slithering along a street, hiding in your garage, in your yard, under your home and so on. I know they are just looking for food, but this cobra is not afraid of people. Fortunately, and to your point, a lot of these bites end up being dry, otherwise, there would be a lot more deaths each year.

    Living in SE Asia will dispel any myths that killer snakes don't exist. Anyone keeping or breeding these creatures is a menace to society and should be dealt as such. These kinds of reptiles should not even be allowed into the country other than for legitimate research.

  • Albino Cobra Loose In Thousand Oaks After Biting Dog

    09/03/2014 3:59:05 PM PDT · 47 of 74
    Mase to Salamander; All

    Just saw a news report about this and they said the dog was expected to survive. Dry bite, maybe?

  • Albino Cobra Loose In Thousand Oaks After Biting Dog

    09/03/2014 3:56:15 PM PDT · 46 of 74
    Mase to Salamander
    I wish the dog the best, but I seriously doubt the vet would be able to access monocled cobra anti-venom in the time necessary to save its life. This particular cobra's venom is more deadly than the King Cobra. I used to see them in Thailand all the time and they are responsible for more deaths there than any other snake. Maybe we'll see a follow up story that proves me wrong. I hope so.

    I hope they find the moron who owns this snake and kick his ass. Why people are allowed to keep these kinds of reptiles as pets boggles the mind. Our Everglades are filled with pythons that are wiping out the local wildlife. Stupid people do stupid things that end up hurting those of us who aren't stupid.

  • Albino Cobra Loose In Thousand Oaks After Biting Dog

    09/03/2014 2:38:07 PM PDT · 33 of 74
    Mase to BenLurkin
    The dog was taken to a veterinarian and its condition was unknown.

    It may not be known, but we can pretty much guess that it didn't end well for the dog. How many vets keep antivenin for cobras?

  • 'Scary' correction is coming: Analyst

    08/27/2014 12:26:55 PM PDT · 38 of 59
    Mase to Citizen Zed
    Does she really think earnings are all of a sudden going to crash by 50%-60% as well?

    I swear, I think these people make outrageous claims simply to get ink or to be on television.

  • Charlie Crist cruises in Democratic primary win, but race against Rick Scott is tough toss-up

    08/27/2014 6:24:34 AM PDT · 19 of 21
    Mase to SoFloFreeper
    The media have been relentless in attacking Scott. They couldn't possibly be more rabid in their opposition. Now Orange Charlie is telling everyone he always supported the democrats. You have to be pretty stupid not to see through Charlie, but his success is a testament to the stupidity of so many here in the sunshine state.

    Without the media, Scott would win in a walk.

  • The Ghost Hotels of the Catskills

    08/25/2014 10:25:12 AM PDT · 11 of 50
    Mase to C19fan
    "No one puts Baby in the corner"
  • Which Country Drinks the Most Alcohol?

    08/25/2014 8:25:27 AM PDT · 60 of 67
    Mase to Ronin
    I can tell you that there has been a significant change in alcohol consumption habits over the last two decades.

    Must have been. During my times there in the late 80's and early 90's, on the train ride home at night, every bench at every train station would be occupied by a passed out kaishain. Those were different economic times, of course, and I remember watching businessmen eating shaved gold over their sushi while powering down staggeringly expensive whiskey.

    I'm glad it changed because I always felt sorry for the wives and children of these men. From what I experienced, they paid a high price for this "social obligation."

  • Which Country Drinks the Most Alcohol?

    08/25/2014 8:19:37 AM PDT · 58 of 67
    Mase to chessplayer
    Central and Eastern Europe and Russia have always had a big rep as huge boozers.

    For my first visit, I arrived in Prague late at night. Breakfast in Prague @8 am the next morning = every person in the place with a glass of Pilsner Urquel in front of them. When in Rome.....

    Love Prague.

  • Family of Hamas military chief buried in Gaza

    08/20/2014 9:05:20 AM PDT · 8 of 10
    Mase to grania
    f the Israelis wanted peace, these kinds of extreme bombings would not happen. What are the Israelis trying to do? Goad Palis to accept ISIS tactics?

    Israel should fear making these extremists more extreme? Really? How is that even possible when they use women and children as shields and force them to stand in targeted areas so they can become collateral damage for the media to fixate on?

    Do you actually believe that terrorists want peace, and that you can negotiate with Islamic totalitarians?

    Just wow....

  • British sisters swam for eight hours to reach safety after their Indonesian ferry sank

    08/19/2014 1:51:23 PM PDT · 17 of 17
    Mase to Hojczyk
    Wow, I took the same ferry trip way back in the late 80's, but Komodo wasn't nearly as popular then as it is today. It was a long trip on a ratty boat, so we slept on the deck, in a group, because it seemed that the locals only wanted to relieve us of our stuff. We were so worried about these people, in fact, that we never considered the boat could hit a reef and sink.

    In those days, you had to bring your own goat to the island if you wanted to attract the dragons. We went there for one reason only and that was to see the giant lizards, so this was our Jurassic Park moment long before the movie got made. Having a goat meant we could get up close and personal with dragons right away, and then get the hell off the island. We all donated to buy a goat and then carried it with us on the ferry. The boat was loaded with animals, including the human kind.

    The girls refused to offer the goat up to the lizards once we arrived in Komodo, so we sold it to a local who, most likely, turned it into dinner that night. Thankfully, some other group allowed us to join them to witness the ferocity of these creatures and we left the next day. I can't imagine anyone backpacking around this island. This is not a place to stay any longer than you have to. There was a campground available, but even then you didn't sleep well, because at some time in the recent past, a dragon had wandered into the camp and dragged some poor soul into the woods for dinner.

    Good times.

  • Jeff Bell’s surging Senate race against Cory Booker

    08/13/2014 7:58:35 AM PDT · 16 of 16
    Mase to 1010RD

    Great comparison. When I lived in NJ (it doesn’t seem that long ago, but is), republicans were regularly elected to statewide and national offices. When things went south, they went quickly. It was a good place to live back then. Not anymore.

  • Jeff Bell’s surging Senate race against Cory Booker

    08/11/2014 4:36:57 PM PDT · 10 of 16
    Mase to Clintonfatigued

    New Jersey, the tease that never delivers.

  • With fewest canceled flights, Delta wins best airline title

    08/11/2014 8:38:33 AM PDT · 32 of 34
    Mase to SoFloFreeper

    If Delta is the best of the airlines in this country, then the US airline industry has sunk to a new low, and I didn’t think that was possible. I fly SWA most of the time now, but SWA exists to prove that there are a lot of people out there who shouldn’t fly.

  • Rep. DeLauro: Tax Every Teaspoon of Sugar

    08/04/2014 8:35:03 PM PDT · 96 of 97
    Mase to Olog-hai
    Yes, you are incorrect on so many things.

    The glycemic value of carbs is how quickly they are available as glucose. The quickness of availability is determined in the gut during digestion. Sucrose is metablozied so quickly that it has essentially the same GI as the free sugar in HFCS (55~60). No one eats pure fructose so it is always going to be mixed with other things. Those things, along with water, will always be there so your fear of pure HCL reacting with fructose to create 5-HMF, in amounts that could "potentially" cause cancer, is irrational. Earlier you said all simple sugars react with HCL to do this. Is this still your position? Since sucrose is a simple sugar, are you indicting it as well?

    How can you possibly go through life not eating naturally occurring simple sugars? You can't, and to suggest that you can, or should, is just plain ignorant.

    Calling HFCS what it is—an unnatural industrial product—is not the same as saying “fruits, vegetables, herbs and legumes are not natural”, so that’s reaching.

    BS. Here's what you said: Very few real (natural, unprocessed) foods have high amounts of simple sugars occurring naturally, so how are they “unavoidable. You can try and tap dance around this all you want, but it is a indefensible statement. Yet here you are...

    HFCS is glucose, fructose, and a few higher sugars. Your body treats them the same as they do glucose and fructose from any other (natural included) source. Your fear of HFCS is irrational.

    You also said; HFCS imparts well over ten times the normal amount of free simple sugars to anything it’s added to. This is another indefensible statement.

    the average ambient atmospheric concentration of benzene is about 0.7 parts per billion. That’s in spite of our chemical industry, tobacco consumption and automobiles—mainly because of rapid atmospheric degradation. The vast majority of us will be in our graves long before we can inhale a tiny fraction of the LD50 of that chemical.

    Excellent. You don't fear benzene in our air or water in trace amounts, nor should you. It's unfortunate you don't apply the same thought process to the possibility that HCL reacting with sugar in the gut might create trace amounts of carcinogens like 5-HMF.

    Government intervention that caused industry to develop an alternative to sucrose is a far different stance than saying agriculture and food processors working together is the communist manifesto in action. Those are the kinds of remarks someone would make who knows nothing about the industry, or economic in general. Why is it those who know the least about something are always the first to criticize it or make grand pronouncements based on junk science?

  • Rep. DeLauro: Tax Every Teaspoon of Sugar

    08/04/2014 6:12:15 PM PDT · 90 of 97
    Mase to Olog-hai
    HFCS and honey are absolutely not the same thing; not even close

    Never said they were the same thing, but, yeah, they are very close.

    HFCS does not contain honey’s amino acids or vitamins (honey contains all of the B complex)

    LOL. All those amino acids, vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants represent a whopping .50 g out of 100 grams of honey. Does the term straining at a gnat mean anything to you? Like I said before, HFCS is not meaningfully different in composition or metabolism than honey.

    While Toddsterpatriot waits for you to answer his question (hint: HFCS and sucrose have the same GI), I'm still waiting for you to show us how HFCS imparts well over ten times the normal amount of free simple sugars to anything it’s added to. That's high quality nonsense you got right thar.

    So far, it’s only your opinion that the reaction of HCl with free fructose (sans any buffering agents) cannot produce enough 5-HMF to result in levels that can be carcinogenic.

    Now it's only fructose that causes this deadly reaction, and it must be qualified so that there are no other "buffering agents" - whatever that means - to interfere with the carcinogens being formed. Maybe you don't realize it, but you're really hacking now. Forming hydroxymethylfurfural from HCL and sugar will work in a lab, in a beaker, but transferring those results to the human body is a stretch that you can't make.....IMHO, of course. Do you realize that the air you breathe and the water you drink contains benzene? Yup, it's true. Now, Mr, Natural, is benzene a powerful carcinogen or not? Oh Noes!!

    I am not incorrect with respect to natural foods not containing high doses of simple sugars

    You are incorrect about so many things. Most recently, you were woefully misguided about how HFCS came to be commercialized. And now you want us to believe that fruits, vegetables, herbs and legumes are not natural? I think you throw up all kinds of qualifiers and caveats as a defense mechanism when someone points out your many misunderstandings.

  • Rep. DeLauro: Tax Every Teaspoon of Sugar

    08/04/2014 2:54:56 PM PDT · 87 of 97
    Mase to Olog-hai
    Funny that I need to “improve (my) sources” while you throw USDA data at me.

    Yeah, your sources for information have you saying ridiculous things on this thread like hydroxymethylfurfural is formed in the stomach in amounts that can be considered carcinogenic.

    Now if you have something that shows the USDA chart is incorrect, let's see it. Otherwise, we'll go with the USDA's chart that proves another one of your ridiculous claims was, well, ridiculous.

    Comparing honey to HFCS is as “confused” as one can get. The latter never contains the amino acids, electrolytes and other buffering agents that honey does.

    Oh, good grief, take an ex-lax will ya. HFCS is not meaningfully different in composition or metabolism from honey. Honey is a free sugar comprised mostly of fructose and glucose, just like HFCS. As a matter of fact, the ratio of fructose/glucose in honey, (1.22) is exactly the same as the HFCS used to sweeten beverages (HFCS 55). Yeah, honey contains some small quantities of amino acids, vitamins, minerals and antioxidants. But that really isn't germane to our discussion. The small amounts of amino acids found in honey are of little nutritional significance.

    The chemical composition of honey is regularly compared to that of HFCS. You would know that if you used more informed sources.

    Never mind what Proverbs 25:16 says about consuming excessive amounts of honey in particular.

    Does it say anything about consuming too much water? How about too much salt? Those things can be bad for you as well if you ingest too much of them.

    Same with comparing the fructose content in rather large servings of fruits and vegetables, also mixed in with starches and other complex sugars...

    But you were the one who said that very few real foods have high amounts of simple sugars occurring naturally. Once again, you're incorrect. I see a recurring theme here involving your questionable sources.

    when it is eaten in that context, the amount of free fructose is combined with other ingredients that react with the HCl in stomach acid first.

    In what context, then, does simple sugars combining with HCL in the stomach create 5-HMF in quantities that could be considered carcinogenic? I don't believe that HCL in the gut even does this, but who am I to question your sources? ROFL.

    If what the Communist Manifesto clearly states does not startle you, especially in relation to the level of government involvement in agriculture

    I think government should stay out of agriculture, but government interference in agriculture has been going on for a long time - even long before WWII. Of course, your initial comment about this was directed at the “combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries”. There was no mention of government like there is now. You have a habit of changing your story. Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean by using the term "combination." Food manufacturers and the agriculture industry have been very close for hundreds of years. Just like everything else you've said here, I think you fear the things you don't understand.

    Learn some basic biochemistry before continuing to blindly trust the government.

    Does providing you with facts equate to blindly trusting the government in your tin foil world? I did manage to take out some government backed loans to finish my grad degree in biochemistry, focused in food science. Does that make me a part of the communist manifesto?

    Find. New. Sources.

  • Rep. DeLauro: Tax Every Teaspoon of Sugar

    08/04/2014 5:26:03 AM PDT · 82 of 97
    Mase to Olog-hai
    Very few real (natural, unprocessed) foods have high amounts of simple sugars occurring naturally, so how are they “unavoidable”?

    I suppose that depends on how you define "high"? Fruit is loaded with fructose. Many popular and healthy vegetables contain glucose. Mannose can be found in legumes and vegetables, and galactose can also be found in fruits, vegetables and herbs. Does your "natural" diet prevent you from eating ketchup or from putting mayo on your sandwich? Do you deny yourself beer, yogurt, hot dogs, cake, pastries, chocolate and ice cream? Sounds pretty damned boring to me, and for absolutely no good reason.

    HFCS imparts well over ten times the normal amount of free simple sugars to anything it’s added to.

    Did you get that nonsense from the same source that told you hydroxymethylfurfural is carcinogenic when found in parts per billion? You need to improve your sources of information. HFCS is a replacement for sucrose. That's how it is used, and it has replaced sugar on a nearly one-for-one basis for a long time.

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    The precursor to HFCS, all-glucose corn syrup, is itself produced by hydrolyzing corn starch with alpha-amylase (produced from Bacillus subtilis instead of the human pancreas) and HCl, an unnatural process even inside the body. The next step in converting to HFCS is to add enzymes that convert some of the glucose to fructose

    Sounds scary. But it isn't. HFCS is about as close to honey as you can get. Are you trying to tell us that honey is deleterious to our health? Sure. Yet your body cannot tell the difference between glucose and fructose from HFCS and glucose and fructose from sucrose. It handles it in the same manner, and like all sugars, it ends up at the same level of the Krebs Cycle as 3x2 carbon fragments. The horror.

    If this is meant to be a defense of crony capitalism’s favorite sweetener, then consider that the Communist Manifesto is the chief historical advocate of “combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries”

    What the hell....? How would the food manufacturing industry exist without agriculture? Working together to produce products that people want and use is communist? Good grief, are you confused. HFCS became popular because the politicians make sucrose more expensive for American industry than the rest of the world. HFCS also has properties that beverage manufacturers, baking and the processed food industries find appealing. It isn't some big conspiracy to control your precious bodily fluids. The only people who see problems with this food ingredient are those who don't understand basic human nutrition.

  • The record of recent Man-made CO2 emissions: 1965 -2013 (Graphs at link)

    08/03/2014 5:36:05 PM PDT · 18 of 26


  • Rep. DeLauro: Tax Every Teaspoon of Sugar

    08/03/2014 5:24:12 PM PDT · 80 of 97
    Mase to oldtech
    ...she didn’t say anything about the real poisons,the artificial sweeteners.

    Yup. They are especially toxic when the body doesn't metabolize or absorb them.

    Scary stuff fer sure....

  • Rep. DeLauro: Tax Every Teaspoon of Sugar

    08/03/2014 5:20:52 PM PDT · 79 of 97
    Mase to Olog-hai; Toddsterpatriot
    Hydrochloric acid tends to dehydrate simple sugars (with the formula C6H12O6) into 5-hydroxymethylfurfural (5-HMF), which has no real nutritional value and is a potential carcinogen.

    Potential carcinogen? LOL.

    Pure HCL will dehydrate six carbon sugars and create 5-HMF in a beaker, but I don't believe that this happens in the gut. Pure HCL is excreted from the cells, but it is immediately diluted. There are other solids/liquids that are normally consumed along with the simple sugars, in addition to there being water in your stomach. This dilution must happen quickly because the small intestine is alkaline, so by the time it gets there, it is no longer acid.

    But even if hydroxymethylfurfural is formed in the gut, it is in amounts so minute that there is no way for it to be carcinogenic. Of course, if you're a researcher looking for funding, force feeding it to lab mice by the bucket load will certainly create all sorts of horrific results that will strike fear into those who don't know any better.

    Glucose, fructose, mannose, and galactose are impossible to avoid in a normal diet. Worrying about the potential for 5-HMF forming as a result of eating a normal diet makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

  • Rep. DeLauro: Tax Every Teaspoon of Sugar

    08/03/2014 11:50:01 AM PDT · 53 of 97
    Mase to Toddsterpatriot
    He's afraid of sugar........but sugar is ok.

    He's afraid of big government.....but big government is ok.

    Behold big government conservative logic at work.

  • Knowing Blacks won’t do a thing, Unions demand equating M L King with convicted murderer Abu-Jamal

    08/03/2014 10:37:57 AM PDT · 4 of 10
    Mase to Oldpuppymax


  • Grass-Fed Milk: Better Than Organic?

    08/03/2014 10:34:22 AM PDT · 38 of 46
    Mase to informavoracious
    What makes milk “not organic” is the cow feed - grass, hay, corn, grain - that may have been grown using chemical fertilizer or pesticides

    Organic means NO fertilizer or pesticides? I don't think so. You should also be aware that many of the "natural" pesticides used by organic farmers are more toxic than the synthetic ones they avoid. All fertilizers are made from chemicals.

    ...and cows given growth hormones or antibiotics.

    Since BGH doesn't survive the digestion process in humans, and the fact that bovine growth hormones can't dock with human growth hormone receptors, what is the problem with growth hormones? Also, do you think an organic farmer won't use antibiotics to treat a sick animal?

  • Grass-Fed Milk: Better Than Organic?

    08/03/2014 10:24:45 AM PDT · 37 of 46
    Mase to Fungi
    Grass fed beef is higher in omega 3 fatty acids and tastes better than feed lot beef raised on grains.

    You like your steak with no marbling? If the beef doesn't have any fat (marbling) there is no place for the flavor to go when it is cooked, and it is lost. Lean beef is pretty flavorless, but people can, and will, convince themselves of just about anything.

  • Grass-Fed Milk: Better Than Organic?

    08/03/2014 10:19:59 AM PDT · 36 of 46
    Mase to maine-iac7
    Organic milk also lasts much longer in the frig

    The cause of this has nothing to do with some magical properties of organic milk. Organic milk doesn't sell as fast as non-organic milk, and must be transported longer distances, so they have to increase its shelf life.

    I love it when the anti-pasteurization crowd sings hosannas to organic milk because of its extended shelf life. The organic industry knows how to separate people from their money.

  • Rep. DeLauro: Tax Every Teaspoon of Sugar

    08/03/2014 10:10:15 AM PDT · 38 of 97
    Mase to BobL
    .....maybe should not be ingesting that crap either, so if she wants to tax it, FINE WITH ME.

    You want to increase our taxes because you're a scientific illiterate?

    How conservative of you.

  • Florida Congressman: ‘White People’ to Blame for Collapse of Amnesty in Congress

    08/02/2014 11:26:37 AM PDT · 2 of 47
    Mase to jazusamo
    Alcee Hastings is nuts. He can be entertaining, but he is bat guano crazy.
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    08/01/2014 3:08:59 PM PDT · 7 of 7


  • Is Facebook Down?

    08/01/2014 9:16:47 AM PDT · 23 of 86
    Mase to BigEdLB

    Lots of lonely people out there right now. They might actually have to talk to someone. The horror.

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    07/31/2014 2:24:44 PM PDT · 4 of 5