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Mary Rose crew 'was from Mediterranean and North Africa'
BBC ^ | March 16, 2019 | unattributed

Posted on 04/06/2019 9:01:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

"Having studied the skull of one of the men who went down with the Mary Rose, we found the bone structure was consistent with someone who had North African features, and DNA evidence seems to back this up," he said.

"Today, with a much more mobile world population, it would have been harder to isolate, but in the 16th Century it's easier to pinpoint facial characteristics to a specific location.

"Henry, as we've named him, had a broad nose bridge and wide cheek bones which are far more similar to skeletons found in Morocco or Algeria than those of the indigenous British population of the time."

By analysing oxygen isotopes in his teeth, and levels of sulphur, nitrogen and carbon in his bones, the team discovered that he was brought up in the south of England.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: africa; algeria; ancientnavigation; carbon; england; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; henryviii; history; maryrose; morocco; navigation; nitrogen; oxygen; sulphur; unitedkingdom
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A painting of the Mary Rose [copyright GEOFF HUNT/MARY ROSE TRUST]

A painting of the Mary Rose [copyright GEOFF HUNT/MARY ROSE TRUST]

1 posted on 04/06/2019 9:01:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

So King Henry VIII started the Muslim immigrant invasion of England. Who knew.


2 posted on 04/06/2019 9:05:53 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Behind enemy lines)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

There was emigration from the Mediterranean (particularly Italy) in the leadup to Tudor times; these were people either captured off moorish vessels during naval combat, or moorish slave ships, or pirates, or former prisoners of pirates. Shakespeare’s Dark Lady was likely from a family of Venetian Jews who’d entered England during the 16th c.

An incomplete and never-performed play “Sir Thomas More” — the surviving fragment includes the largest single sample of Shakespeare’s handwriting — though superficially about More, is actually about current events, basically street fights between recent foreign immigrants and the native-born lower-class English who competed for the same jobs. Naturally this has been held up by the public scolds of the (currently) living left.


3 posted on 04/06/2019 9:13:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Downloaded and watched the special they had on this. It was titled: “Skeletons of the Mary Rose: The New Evidence,” and aired on British TV on March 17, 2019


4 posted on 04/06/2019 9:20:31 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: SunkenCiv

So Henry was raised in Southern England, yet he is either Mediterranean or African...so you are not really sure about Henry just making up a story? Correct?


5 posted on 04/06/2019 9:27:33 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: Deplorable American1776

“Henry” can lie all he wants to.

His DNA and the minerals in his teeth and skeleton are fixed and not subject to his sophistry. Since the minerals in his remains say he grew up in southwestern England around Portsmouth, the underlying question is how did his family (or at least the Mediterranean/African component) come to be there?

Thought the painting of the Mary Rose looked like another famous ship of the era, the Mayflower. So I looked them up to compare their specifications (such as they are):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower

Mary Rose and Mayflower were both carracks in basic design with the warship being about 10 foot wider in the beam and 10-20 feet longer over all.

Of course, Mary Rose was fitted out as a warship and Mayflower was a cargo vessel. What was really surprising was the very large number of sailor and soldiers embarked on the Mary Rose and the astounding number of cannons she shipped.

The article also has a good discussion of the ship’s service history and the various theories of why it sank.


6 posted on 04/06/2019 10:46:48 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Just more “we are a nation of immigrants” crap from the BBC Fabian Socialists trying to browbeat the British into accepting the illegitimate invasion of their country.

The British Isles were populated by Europeans from 25000 years ago before the last glacial maximum and again by those people and others who had moved south into the Iberian refuge while the glaciers dominated. Genetic studies on the Welsh show isolates that go back thousands of years in the same place. Translation: they’ve been there since far before time was counted.

This is all cooing by the vile grinches of the Left to try to smooth the way for the destruction of the ancient populace of the British Isles.


7 posted on 04/06/2019 11:00:00 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator
No, what they're doing is DNA studies on some people who have been deed over 400 years, and turning up one unexpected find. It's not credible to argue that Europe was uniquely immune to large scale immigration and population replacements.

8 posted on 04/06/2019 11:38:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Deplorable American1776
Europe had small populations from Africa, and I explained it clearly enough for any reasonable person to understand what I wrote.

9 posted on 04/06/2019 11:39:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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10 posted on 04/06/2019 11:41:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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I should stream that at bedtime, instead of doing what I'm doing now, which is streaming a full episode of the ever-entertaining "Curse of Oak Island". What an amazing success the show has been, considering it's built on 100 percent failure.
Skeletons of the Mary Rose: The New Evidence

Skeletons of the Mary Rose: The New Evidence

11 posted on 04/06/2019 11:47:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sailors from different races? Oh my goodness. What a revelation.


12 posted on 04/07/2019 6:05:08 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If we get Medicare for all, will we have to show IDs for service? Why?)
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To: SunkenCiv
Henry, as we've named him....

Was Othello too obvious?

13 posted on 04/07/2019 6:19:23 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: SunkenCiv

English maritime interests have included Portugal, Spain, and the Straits of Gibraltar from before the time of Henry VIII. The wars against the Moors, the Crusades, and trade in wine and Mediterranean exotic produce was a driving force in England’s development of both commercial and naval fleets. It is interesting, but not surprising, to discover that seafarers in England included people from that region.


14 posted on 04/07/2019 7:34:23 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: SunkenCiv

Nah. Just cherry picking some isolated cases to do what I said: legitimize mass non-white immigration.

First big group of Africans into England were the Windrush people and that was all of 70 years ago.

BBC is just a Labour mouthpiece, like our MSM here.

London was 99% white ethnic European in 1945. And for the previous 2000 years, Mr. Shakespeare’s references to Blackamoors notwithstanding.

The overrunning of white majority countries in Europe and the Americas is not an accident, it’s a plan. The Communist/Statist freak show knows that unified nations like England and America are their main opposition. Solution? Disunify them by bringing in aliens. Instant discord, permanently.

But they gotta lube the skids, you know?


15 posted on 04/07/2019 8:03:33 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: SunkenCiv
I watch "Curse of Oak Island" too. You have to give those guys credit for sticking with it. It's not cheap. The structures they've found, and some of the relics they discover are enough to make you want go back to watch the next episode.

I'm currently watching a British program called "River Hunters" that airs on Britain's History Channel. There's been 3 episodes so far. In the first episode near Stirling, Scotland, one of the metal detecters who joined the search found a pristine bronze-age axe head. Here's a clip of it on YouTube:

River Hunters-Bronze Age Axe Head

Here's a link to info about the show, and the episodes that have, and will air:

River Hunters

They haven't even aired the full series yet, but I'd love to see a second series occur.

16 posted on 04/07/2019 9:07:00 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: mass55th
Hmm... I went into the BBC America app on the Roku, selected a show, and thought I'd started playing it, but I'm getting no sound. And it's way out in the other room. :^)

Anyway, thanks, good links!

17 posted on 04/07/2019 10:28:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: mass55th
Oh, the full episode isn't available. I'll try the later ones of the show I was going to try ("Atlantis"), see where the cutoff is.

18 posted on 04/07/2019 10:38:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m surprised you can access it with BBC America’s app. It’s only been shown in the UK as far as I know. I get BBC America on my cable, and a search showed it’s not listed at all. They’re two totally different networks. If you wanted to view it on the History Channel UK website, you’d need a VPN that would show your ISP address as based in the UK. I just checked the History UK website, and they don’t even have any full episodes of the show available for viewing. At least they’re not showing on my laptop. I don’t use a VPN on it, so they’re seeing my US ISP. I download it from the UK torrent site I’ve subscribed to for many years. I also checked to see if the show was on any of the other torrent sites I use where you don’t have to register, and it’s not on there either.


19 posted on 04/07/2019 10:44:53 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: Vermont Lt
:^) Exactly. It obviously bothers some people more than others.

20 posted on 04/07/2019 10:45:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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