Posted on 05/01/2018 12:23:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
On a rugged bluff overlooking the Ohio River, known locally as "Devil's Backbone," centuries of overgrowth obscures a secret of history... In 1799, early settlers found six skeletons clad in breastplates bearing a Welsh coat of arms. Indian legends told of "yellow-haired giants" who settled in Kentucky, southern Indiana, southern Ohio and Tennessee -- a region they called "the Dark and Forbidden Land." Archeologists debunk the legend. They say that evidence indicates that the natives of the region once conducted a vigorous trading network nearby and buried their dead on the bluff... Upstream about 14 miles from Louisville, Ky., the craggy hill rises abruptly from the Indiana bank. Fourteen Mile Creek runs behind the hill, carving out a narrow strip of land between the creek and the river... The earliest survey of the area, done in 1873 by state geologist E. T. Cox and his assistant, William Borden, found a prehistoric fortification on the hilltop. A man-made limestone wall, 150 feet long and 75 feet high in some places, stood along the front and one side of the hill where the cliffs could be scaled... The wall no longer exists, the area's early settlers having taken the huge, unmortared stones to build foundations, bridges and fences that can still be seen throughout the rolling countryside. Local legend says the walls were built by followers of Prince Madoc of Wales, who led an expedition in the late 12th Century and was never seen again. Tradition says they landed in America and settled briefly in Tennessee, then moved to Kentucky and southern Indiana. "In my opinion, you couldn't find a better legend than this," said Dana Olson of Jeffersonville, an amateur historian and author of "Prince Madoc: Founder of Clark County, Indiana."
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Better be good! I have a copy on the way.
ML/NJ
I imagine even the farmers and merchants amongst the Vikings were rather tougher than the Welsh wanted to tussle with.
Better be good! I have a copy on the way.
ML/NJ
There was a theory that the Mandan Indians were Welsh and came over with Madoc, but few scholars believe that now.
Barry Fell is getting the last laugh.
The article you reference is practically unreadable. It also assumes right off the bat that the subject is a hoax then goes on to ‘prove’ it so.
Since a mag printed one story that turned out to be a putative hoax, the rest of its content over the years must be also?
Looks like a 23&me ad intended to take advantage of those who really wanted to be indians but couldn't find evidence in other tests.
In light of people at those labs having admitted to gaslighting people by returning false reports, I would suggest one considers them as "for amusement only."
Do you find the “Mississippi culture” fort sites as suspect as I do?
It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Larry fished that O’Brien character name out of the book.
Whoops, I didn’t realize what topic this was. Ref here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3651950/posts?page=51#51
> In light of people at those labs having admitted to gaslighting people
that was a hoax.
They were big piles of Earth, built in flood plains, and I don't find that remarkable. I don't find piling up Earth to be some kind of unique cultural phenomenon.
I also don't find it surprising that large riverine settlements wound up parts of a far-flung trade network, since rivers were also great modes of transportation. Continent-wide trade dates as far back as 200 BC, and probably involved trade with coastal Mexico and Central America, which was already urbanized. Terraced ag ruins near the major rivers in eastern N America have been attributed to the Mayans or a Mayan influence by some.
The introduction of corn (maize) and beans from middle America (Mexico etc) came about by 800 AD, a mere seven hundred years before Columbus, and its arrival as a food source probably was the main impetus to that level of settlement, even though the mound building had been around for a while before that. Settled agriculture is always the necessary foundation for civilization, although a more nomadic culture persisted elsewhere -- mostly at the higher elevations and drier areas where large-scale ag would fail.
OTOH, Watson Brake in present-day Ouachita Parish, Louisiana is considered the oldest mound complex in North America, dating to circa 3500 BC, lon before the Mayans. As I said, piling up earth isn't a remarkable cultural development.
Even the pliable mind of forensic geologist Scott Wolter (America Unearthed) pointed out the obvious hoaxing of one of the Burrows "artifacts" (the hoaxter had used an old stone from a demolition, or perhaps a discarded or vandalized gravestone, with the English still carved into the other side). Obviously, if you've got access to a cave filled with authentic artifacts, there is no reason to create fakes. Therefore, the whole is fake. Wolter returned to the cave site and guess what? There is no cave there. The cave itself doesn't exist? That kinda mitigates in favor of the entire thing having been a hoax from start to finish..
The 2014 one is back, apparently it was just a temporary issue with that Tinypic server.
All righty then.
Reading the GGG threads is highly educational. I occasionally ask a dumb question about something I haven’t studied.
You should see some of my dumb answers.
Actually, I am gob-smacked by the breadth of your knowledge.
Thanks!
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