Chagyrskaya Cave in SiberiaSkov et al.
Posted on 10/20/2022 9:01:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
...He and his colleagues managed to extract DNA from 15 out of 17 pieces of bone or teeth recovered from the Chagyrskaya cave in the Altai mountains in Siberia, Russia. The DNA showed that some pieces came from the same individuals, so the findings represent 11 individuals in total, including several teenagers and children.
Dating of sediments and bison bones at the site suggests the Neanderthals lived in the cave between 51,000 and 59,000 years ago, while the DNA shows that many of the individuals were related...
Peter thinks it is possible that these individuals all died around the same time, but the team doesn’t know how. There are no signs of burial, he says...
...the team can’t say whether this high level of inbreeding affected the health of these individuals. It may be a result of being an isolated group on the edge of the range of Neanderthals, rather than being true of Neanderthals generally...
The researchers also compared the diversity of Y chromosomes, inherited from the father, with that of mitochondrial DNA, inherited from the mother. They found an order of magnitude more mitochondrial diversity, says Peter...
Female-based migration is the predominant pattern in modern hunter-gatherers, says Stringer, and there is some evidence for it among Neanderthals from the El Sidron site in northern Spain...
Peter and his colleagues also tried extracting DNA from 10 specimens from the nearby Okladnikov cave, but only got DNA from two individuals. These weren’t related to each other or to the Chagyrskaya group.
The research team included Svante Pääbo, who won the 2022 Nobel prize in physiology or medicine for his discoveries concerning human evolution and the genomes of our extinct human relatives.
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Chagyrskaya Cave in SiberiaSkov et al.
First known Neanderthal family discovered in Siberian cave
Ancient DNA from closely related individuals offers fresh insight into Neanderthals’ lives and social structures.
Ewen Callaway
19 October 2022
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03339-7
from July, the Neandertal keyword, sorted, one non-science topic dropped, split into four-five year blocks:
You just know somebody had to live in that cave.
Well, I've never been to Spain.................
Another man and woman are second-degree relatives, meaning the woman might be, say, the grandmother or aunt of the man.
One of my DNA tests says I have more Neanderthal than 75% of all the people who have taken the test. Will there be a DNA match here?
I’ll bite. But I kinda like the music.
Sorry, have to call bull on this. There is simply no way to reliably date anything. These guys get the result they want, or they repeat testing until they do or they just ignore it. You never hear about all the ridiculous date they have gotten, like dating living animals to thousands of years in the past. I sometimes wonder if they just make this stuff up. I guess as long as there are enough gullible people that actually believe their absurd ideas they will continue to publish their silly fantasies.
I think they make it up... remember they create a whole history of some ape man from a small finger bone or something...
anyways this stood out to me...
“They found an order of magnitude more mitochondrial diversity, says Peter. “I don’t know any human population where we would see that,” he says.
This suggests that men stayed in the same group where they were born, but that most women moved to different groups.”
Don’t girls get sent of to live with her husband, and his family. Dont boys stay with the family and inherit the wealth? That seems like pretty basic, common practice to me.
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“Female-based migration is the predominant pattern in modern hunter-gatherers”
That’s the polite way of saying women are raided, traded or sold.
Sorry, but your post is complete bull.
Could be. I carry a chunk of DNA from a 45,000 year old femur dug up by some dirty piece of ice in the middle of Nowhere, Siberia, and it is shared with the Na-Dene genome in North America. :^)
There’s a Zillow page on it.
Wow, that’s cool. Were you able to trace your family line back to that cave man? Siberia? Guess you don’t much care for Stalin or Putin.
It’s part of an archaic DNA project, because obviously, there’s no paperwork going back that far. It’s difficult to find genealogical documents much older than about 500 years. :^)
See the new topic about Black Plague genes.
I’ve found some family documentary evidence back to around 1520, but nothing beyond that. Yep, 500 years is the wall.
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