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Teens have right to have sex, lawyer argues (Huh?!?)
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 8.21.03 | JAMAAL ABDUL-ALIM

Posted on 08/21/2003 7:32:39 PM PDT by mhking

When an Oak Creek woman found her 14-year-old daughter nude in the woman's bed with a 14-year-old boy, the teens didn't strike her as being overly concerned.

"They both freely admitted that their intention was to 'have sex,' " records quote the woman as saying. They "were confrontational and remorseless."

The teens even "challenged" the woman to call police. So she did.

Now, the couple's would-be sexual encounter in October has both of them facing serious criminal charges.

Their case takes a course through the intersection of morals and law, a bustling crossroads at a time when sexuality has become a greater focus of youth culture. While authorities say their prosecution is meant to help, not punish, the teens, a lawyer for one of them contends 14-year-olds have a right to privacy that allows them to consent to sex with each other, and has challenged the constitutionality of the law.

The boy is being held in secure detention on a charge of attempted second-degree sexual assault, a felony that carries a possible juvenile prison term.

The girl pleaded guilty to fourth degree sexual assault, a misdemeanor, but is charged with violating her probation; a warrant has been issued for her arrest.

Neither is being named because of their ages.

Don Linke, the boy's attorney, argues that children's privacy rights include the right to make "important decisions."

"One of those types of decisions is whether to engage in sexual relations," says Linke, who will argue his position today at Milwaukee County Children's Court. If Circuit Judge Tom Donegan rules against Linke, the case could go to trial.

But prosecutors say children have no right to have sex.

"Sex between kids is not legal," said Assistant District Attorney Lori Kornblum, who is prosecuting the case.

According to the law, "Whoever has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who has not attained the age of 16 is guilty of a Class C felony." There is no mention of consent.

Linke suggests the statute is intended to prevent older teenagers or adults from abusing or exploiting younger, more vulnerable children, not to prohibit consensual sex among teenagers.

Kornblum said that while many instances of consensual sex among minors get handled informally, she felt compelled to bring charges in this case.

"The reason I charged this case was because of their attitude," Kornblum says. "I believe they had to be brought before an authority."

Not to punish the children, she said, but to help them through various court-ordered services.

Linke says there are other ways for the court to intervene without the children having to be found delinquent, such as filing a petition for protection or services.

Beyond the teenagers' sexual activity lurk a host of other problems.

Court records reveal that both come from troubled backgrounds and struggle with the same issues, such as attention deficit disorder and parental abandonment.

Prosecutors did try to cut the teens some slack.

The boy - originally charged in October - secured a "deferred prosecution agreement" in March. All he had to do was stay out of trouble until Aug. 6 and the charge would have been dismissed. But not long after the agreement, his father reported that the boy "refuses to follow rules." That prompted prosecutors to reissue the charge.

The girl - who was not given deferred prosecution because all parties involved agreed she needed services - was placed on probation, and ordered into Wraparound, a monitoring and treatment program designed to help emotionally disturbed youths at home instead of at costlier institutions.

But after she repeatedly spent the night out without permission, a warrant was issued for her arrest Aug. 5.

It could not be determined Wednesday if she had yet been arrested.


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1 posted on 08/21/2003 7:32:39 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
You have the right for me to kill you if you come within a quarter mile of my daughter again....

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

2 posted on 08/21/2003 7:33:30 PM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
I don't even know what comment to write.
3 posted on 08/21/2003 7:35:20 PM PDT by chance33_98 (WWJD - What would Jefferson Do?)
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To: mhking
"...a lawyer for one of them contends 14-year-olds have a right to privacy that allows them to consent to sex with each other, and has challenged the constitutionality of the law."

I really don't think I'd want this case to come before the SCOTUS. At least, not the way it is currently constituted...

4 posted on 08/21/2003 7:37:12 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: chance33_98
That's right up there with "this page intentionally left blank"
5 posted on 08/21/2003 7:37:51 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: mhking
Something tells me this thread title's gonna get FR a lot of Google hits.
6 posted on 08/21/2003 7:40:44 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: mhking
My sentiments exactly.
8 posted on 08/21/2003 7:41:55 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: mhking
Don Linke, the boy's attorney, argues that children's privacy rights include the right to make "important decisions."

Children aren't ready to make important decisions like these. That's what parents are for.
9 posted on 08/21/2003 7:46:43 PM PDT by gsrinok
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To: mhking
We are overlooking the most important thing in this case. Were they going to use a condom?
10 posted on 08/21/2003 7:53:37 PM PDT by exit82 (Constitution?--I got your Constitution right here!--T. Daschle)
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To: mhking
Teens have right to have sex, lawyer argues (Huh?!?)

I thought this was considered settled law, based on the high-caliber reasonings embedded in
the penumbra of lyrics from Cyndie Lauper and some rap artists.
(end sarcasm...even if it's probably effectively true)
11 posted on 08/21/2003 7:53:42 PM PDT by VOA
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To: KurtChicago
Let them do it, for crying out loud.

At 14, the girl is repeatedly spending the night out. It that what we should let them do?

I would be more comfortable if the charge was that the children are incorrigible, rather than focusing on sex alone. However, the prosecutor in her judgement decided that this was the charge that might stick. She is to be admired for taking on a case which could lead to her being ridiculed.

12 posted on 08/21/2003 7:53:59 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: mhking
...the statute is intended to prevent older teenagers or adults from abusing or exploiting younger, more vulnerable children, not to prohibit consensual sex among teenagers.

Exactly right. The INTENT of the law is to criminalize adults who sexually prey upon and exploit children. Criminally prosecuting two children for sex (which is not by force) is ridiculous.

This kind of action is why Statutory Rape laws and age-of-consent limits are under assault by some Liberals.

13 posted on 08/21/2003 7:55:40 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: mhking
What is the story that is not reported?

The mother of the girl is a single mom and the girl's father was thus not present to beat the crap out of the 14-year-old punk.

14 posted on 08/21/2003 7:57:52 PM PDT by ikka
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To: mhking
Teenagers have a right to make decisions for having sex and abortions, however at 14 they are not legally allowed to work.
I'd say the age of "consent" should begin once you're old enough to stay out past curfew and earn a living, until then they're juveniles.
15 posted on 08/21/2003 8:12:28 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: mhking
They are saying these kids have ADD? What a crock! If the girl is already on probation there is a much better reason for her(and his) "activities". It's called no parental guidance, and no but whippings. Why did the mother call the cops on her own daughter? There is obviously no adult around that ever really gave a sh*t about either of these kids.
16 posted on 08/21/2003 8:15:07 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: gcruse
Don Linke, the boy's attorney, argues that children's privacy rights include the right to make "important decisions."

This all sounds so damned libertarian to me. Where, oh where will it stop?

17 posted on 08/21/2003 8:16:55 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Conservatism never really loses; it simply changes.)
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To: chance33_98
I don't even know what comment to make----



No comment necessary. You just sigh.
18 posted on 08/21/2003 8:17:07 PM PDT by footstomper
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To: Lorianne
The whole idea of charging kids with felonies for this is evil, beyond redemption.

My grandparents married at 15 and 14 - now, kids in the same circumstances are disabled of their voting rights, their rights to own guns, forever, why?

I get really angry about our societies bipolar disorder on this issue.

At seventeen, I was a machinegunner in the dreaded 82nd Airborne Division.

At 20, I got sent to CA - Still had my machine gun, but unable to buy a beer. WTF????

19 posted on 08/21/2003 8:17:58 PM PDT by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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To: mhking
Neither is being named because of their ages. Don Linke, the boy's attorney, argues that children's privacy rights include the right to make "important decisions." "One of those types of decisions is whether to engage in sexual relations," says Linke

Neither is being named because of their ages, but they're old enough and have the right to make such important decisions as to play at STDs and death from AIDS, and bringing another human being into the world and having the maturity and means to care for it until maturity? Linke is one of those consciencious and wholesome family lawyers, right?

20 posted on 08/21/2003 8:25:04 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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