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[deetch]

"He talked about the possibilities that Aruba has to offer to investors and products from China that Aruba can import to the Latin American region, the Caribbean, and North America via gateway."

Uh-huh, sure, import from China as a gateway to Latin America and North America. Dream on.

Anyone care to explain how and why vessels holding 5000 containers would come directly to Aruba and "gateway" to where?

Any idea what Aruba will send back in the empty containers?

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Holloway family deals with topsy-turvy world
Teen's relatives, friends wrestle with vacuum
Sunday, May 28, 2006
CAROL ROBINSON
News staff writer
In Beth Twitty's life, there is no normal.

Almost a year after her daughter's disappearance, Twitty remains fixed on finding the 18-year-old or her killers and warning others of the dangers of travel to places like Aruba, where Natalee Holloway disappeared May 30



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The life that I could return to no longer exists," the on-leave Mountain Brook schools speech pathologist says in the few minutes of conversation possible after a night in the studio. "I can't return to my life as it was before unless we have Natalee."

Twitty, and others, say their lives have been forever altered in the year since Natalee was last seen at 1:30 a.m. May 30 outside the Aruban bar Carlos'N Charlies.



http://www.al.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news/114880790344790.xml?birminghamnews?nmet_hol&coll=2

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Chaperone knows tragedy's effects will linger in hearts
Adults on trip stayed visible but Mountain Brook grads were given rein, teacher recalls
Sunday, May 28, 2006
CAROL ROBINSON
News staff writer
Bob Plummer will never forget the drowning death of his best friend just before high school graduation more than 20 years ago.

The tragedy marred one of the happiest times of any student's life, and it's one of the many reasons his heart goes out to the Mountain Brook High School Class of 2005. Especially those who were on the ill-fated graduation trip to Aruba where classmate Natalee Holloway disappeared.



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Plummer is an eighth-grade social studies teacher and golf coach at Mountain Brook Junior High. Holloway, like others on the Aruba trip, had been a student. Those going on the trip voted who they wanted to go as chaperones, and divided up the cost of the chaperones' travel among all students. It was Plummer's first stint as a graduation trip chaperone.

There was much talk after Natalee's disappearance that seven chaperones weren't sufficient for 130 graduates. "Most people didn't understand when we went down there, we were mostly there for an emergency, and we held their passports," he said. "It was made apparent they were on their own."



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Plummer said only one incident stood out in his mind, and that was early during their stay. Some of the kids were being too loud in the hotel, so the chaperones told them to take it to the beach. Another hotel guest sought out Plummer and warned him that a man was on the beach trying to sell drugs to the students.



http://www.al.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news/114880791244790.xml?birminghamnews?nmet_hol&coll=2

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Holloway looks back on year

By Steve Gillespie / assistant editor
The Meridian Star


MERIDIAN — Tuesday marks the one-year anniversary of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway during a high school senior trip to Aruba.

Her father, Dave Holloway of Meridian, spoke with The Meridian Star’s Editorial Board last week about the search for his daughter and the investigation by officials in Aruba, which he believes has been flawed by corruption and incompetence.


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He also said Natalee’s case will be featured on the television show “America’s Most Wanted” on June 7 and that an ocean search may be carried out next month in Aruba

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I did all I could do as far as land searching. The ocean search I leave to somebody else. Plus, I just have a feeling there are some folks down there who would like to retaliate against me over the book,” Holloway said.

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_148014711.html

[imaketypos]

you have mail

[shebacal]

Thanks for these 2 links.

Also from the article:

George Twitty, a stepbrother, says the case has turned the lives of the family upside down. He and Matt Holloway, Natalee's brother, a senior at Mountain Brook next year, have grown closer through the experience but have stayed out of the limelight, he said. "Matt and I both wanted to keep all the attention on Natalee."

[George] Twitty said, he knew life was forever different. "It's never going to be back to normal. I knew that from the very beginning."

[presently no screen name]

Seems like tourism $'s are in the works to be replaced.

[shebacal]

Plus, I just have a feeling there are some folks down there who would like to retaliate against me over the book,” [Dave] Holloway said.

Very chilling, in addition to threats that Beth received.

[shebacal]

"He talked about the possibilities that Aruba has to offer to investors...

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, explaining what Aruba has to offer to Chinese investors.

Let me count the ways of what Aruba has to offer China...Chinese drilling for oil and gas in Aruba territorial waters, Money laundering through banks, established drug transshipment system, officials with questionable integrity, Free Port Zone,...

It's for sure the shops on Aruba can't hold all the crap uhhh... goods brought by ship to Aruba, so the up-front legitimate business will be the "gateway of Chinese goods for Latin America.

While, underneath the facade:

China made record heroin seizures last year (2001)

U.S. Official Comments on Chinese Engagement in Latin America - Created: 21 Sep 2005 Updated: 21 Sep 2005

Snip... China's Role in Narcotics Control

Given this subcommittee's interest in narcotics, let me elaborate on China's role in narcotics control in the region. China has a large and developed chemical industry, and, like the U.S., it is one of the world's largest producers of precursor chemicals, which have legitimate uses but are also used in the production of cocaine and synthetic drugs. In particular, China is the world's leading exporter of bulk ephedrine (used in cold medicines and weight-loss tablets) and a source country for much of the ephedrine and pseudoephedrine imported into Mexico. China notifies the DEA of shipments of precursor chemicals to the U.S. and Mexico so that tracking may be done to prevent diversion of these chemicals for illicit purposes. Nevertheless, some precursor chemicals are diverted from legal use to manufacture methamphetamine destined for the United States.

To regulate its chemical industry, China is a party to the 1988 U.N. Drug Convention and has regulations for record keeping and import/export controls on all chemicals included in the Convention. Several provinces have more stringent controls than called for in the Convention. In the State Department's International Narcotics Control Strategy Report we have noted, however, that China needs to improve its infrastructure to adequately monitor its large chemical production capacity and international trade in chemicals.

U.S. and Chinese cooperation in chemical control and counternarcotics is good and has been steadily improving. This was highlighted by a joint operation involving the DEA and several PRC law enforcement agencies in October 2004, leading to the world's largest seizure of the synthetic drug Mandrax (18 metric tons), and the seizure of 10 tons of pseudoephedine tablets (a key precursor for methamphetamine) in Los Angles in September 2004.

While China is a transit country for heroin produced in Southeast Asia to international markets, the DEA's Heroin Signature Program indicates less than one percent of heroin seized in the U.S. comes from Southeast Asia.

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All that is soon to change, when China and Aruba shake hands on their deal.

Then the heroin trade route will likely look like this: Southeast Asia to China to Aruba to Mexico to USA, IMO.

And, the bonus for China will be oil and gas (which China has a growing need for) from Aruba territorial waters.

Welcome, all, to the new Global Economy.

[shebacal]

Seems like tourism $'s are in the works to be replaced.

Yes, I think so, too, among other possibilities for Aruba. See #1429.

[shebacal]

From SM:

Prayers for Natalee Holloway

[shebacal]

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/index.html


THROW PETROLEUM IN THE EYE OF THE PEOPLE!!

Nelsud al Odubar Oil Company

Chavez, the unique difference between Nelsud al Odubar Oil Company and PDVSA (Petróleos de Venezuela S.A.):

http://www.citgo.com/AboutCITGO/PDVSAprofile.jsp

is, that you are allowing something for the poor, but we are for friends and family only!!

[shebacal]

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/news7.html
26 May, 2006


Commissioner Ronny Bernadina

During the opening of ACCP (Association of Caribbean Commissioners of Police), Commissioner Bernadina explained how much effort and trouble the people and political body of Aruba expended in supporting the Holloway case.

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http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Atia: Price control measures do not solve anything

ARUBA – The Aruban Association for Trade and Industry (Atia) concluded that the price control measures that the government has proclaimed do not solve anything; on the contrary, they produce an extremely negative effect on the tourism, the economy, and the society. Aruba prices herself out of the market.

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Atia is afraid that the proclaimed measures have disastrous consequences for the economy. “In addition to the alarming prognoses for this year’s tourism, this can influence the revenue of the government adversely on the long run.”

[presently no screen name]

Thanks, shebecal. Absolutely beautiful and uplifting. Prayer is always the answer.

[shebacal]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Also, from the article: "Atia: Price control measures do not solve anything":

Atia admits that there are some external factors that influence the economy negatively. The Holloway-case plays an important part in this, but the government has to look at herself. The government apparatus is way too big. It is not the first time that this is being said.

The International Monetary Funds, the World Bank, the Central Bank of Aruba and a great deal of other independent local and international instances pointed this out at several occasions.

[imaketypos]

Atia admits that there are some external factors that influence the economy negatively. The Holloway-case plays an important part in this

On October 24, 2005 BETH told “MSNBC

I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years.” “I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I [told him] don‘t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want—you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.”

[deetch]

there is no deal, China doesn't need a deal with Aruba, they can get what they want and what they need elsewhere. Any "deal" is just that, a deal to say there is a deal to cover more ass.

Drug pipelines are announced like some new road, they travel on very old roads and China Direct is not going to happen.

In my opinion, Aruba came begging and China sees a desperate dog and smells blood. Aruba has nothing of value to offer the honest or the corrupt any more.

[justche]

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The Star: What made you decide to write the book?

Holloway: I started keeping notes within about a week to 10 days because one person would say one thing and somebody else would say another. Somebody would say something and then turn around and deny saying it.

So I started taking notes on who we talked to and what they said and where the investigation was headed. Every day I kept a journal of who said what and what was going on.

Beth kept notes as well. I decided I better keep notes, too, because things weren’t working the way I thought they should work. It seemed like they were always trying to close the investigation.

I saw when they released these kids back in September they were ready for this case to be closed. I mention in the book, with all these red flags, a conversation with the lead detective who pretty much wanted to close the case down and say it’s over with, get back to tourism.

In my opinion, they thought more about tourism than they thought about Natalee’s case. In fact, they didn’t want it to tarnish their image of tourism — one happy island, no crime and everybody going their own way.

To read the full interview

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_148205455.html