Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 20

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just for reference....most tow-trucks have 1/2" cable......imagine wrapping THAT stuff around a body.....very very hard to do without help.....and 50 feet of it is 25 pounds.

And what on earth was a suitable diameter and length/weight of it doing on the beach in the first place?

Great observations. I remain skeptical, too.

Thanks for the updates.

It sems like this case is still going nowhere.

I guess we'll have to wait until Joran repeats his mistake in Holland and another girl goes missing, for their justice system to wake up.

I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.

Todays quotes are from an interview on the
7-29-05 Nancy Grace

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Nancy, let`s see. Where do we begin? First of all, let`s talk a little bit about this important DNA ruling from the judge today, a judge throwing out DNA evidence that had been collected from two of the three named suspects in the case

In the case of Joran Van Der Sloot, who remains in jail behind bars, the judge ruled that there are sufficient grounds to collect a DNA sample from him. However, there are some of what the judge described as missing documents, but not specifying what kind of documents, and that prosecutors need to get those documents into the file and then they can refile their motion. But in the meantime, Nancy, the current DNA samples that were collected must be destroyed

GRACE: Now, that goes to Satish Kalpoe and Joran Van Der Sloot. It`s my understanding we likely would have gotten the same ruling with Deepak, the other Deepak -- Deepak Kalpoe, but his lawyer didn`t find the motion, right?

CANDIOTTI: Well, according to sources familiar with the investigation, at least one witness has come forward who claims to have seen more than one person dumping what the witness says could have been a body. The body was, I am told, covered in some fashion, and that this happened at a public landfill not long before closing time.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

GRACE: I want to go to Jossy Mansur with "Diario." Jossy, do we know if this witness, who is now giving a car tag number and a very detailed statement about seeing people putting what may have been a body into the landfill -- is it the same guy you told us about last night?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": Yes, ma`am, it is exactly the same person. He did give the description that he saw a car there, a white pick-up, with three male occupants throwing something that looked like a body, carried by two of them into that rubble that you see over there, that big bunch of thrown-away bags of garbage.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario?

MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

GRACE: OK, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Jossy Mansur, remember the fishermen that were out in the water? Didn`t they state they saw a pick-up along the beach that night?

MANSUR: Probably. I don`t know. I haven`t made any statements to that effect, ma`am.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

GRACE: Back to Jossy Mansur. Who is searching the landfill? Are any FBI there, or is it just the Aruban authorities?

MANSUR: I believe it`s the Equusearch team from Texas and also accompanied by a few individuals, private, our reporters, and the search- and-rescue party from Aruba. There`s a whole bunch of people that have been searching all day long.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

GRACE: Are there any dogs involved?

MANSUR: Well, I see stray dogs walking all over the place, but I don`t think I have...

GRACE: That`s not what I had in mind! That`s not exactly what I had in mind. I meant bloodhounds, scent dogs or cadaver dogs.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

I want to go very quickly to Paul Reynolds, Natalee`s uncle. Sir, thank you for being with us. Do you think you`re seeing a light at the end of the tunnel?

PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE`S UNCLE: We`ve seen a significant change in the investigation. We feel it is becoming much more aggressive, much more responsive. We feel like that is a significant factor in allowing these witnesses to come forward and bring information. I think they feel more confident in their ability to do that. And we`re very appreciative of that, and we feel that`s going to help us resolve this case
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

GRACE:-Elizabeth (ph), do we have that list so far? Oh, OK. Take a look at this - Round one, catch and release. The two security guards wrongfully arrested. They stay behind bars for weeks. Catch and release two. Judge Paul Van Der Sloot. We`ve gotten familiar with his backside as he runs from questions. Round three, catch and release. Remember the party boat deejay, Steve Croes? That`s not all. Catch and release round four, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

Welcome back, everybody. Very quickly, to Jossy Mansur with "Diario." Jossy, what can you tell us about the investigation?

MANSUR: The investigation itself is going ahead full-time, full speed. The interrogations of the person still in custody is going on every day. And the police is exercising, as well as the whole community, whatever activity is necessary to try to find this girl, alive, if possible, if she still is. If not, in whatever shape she is in now.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

GRACE: To Paul Reynolds. All the equipment that is being brought in for Natalee`s search -- does that hearten the family at all?

REYNOLDS: All of the assistance that we have received, the equipment that`s coming in, the assistance from Equusearch has been a tremendous support for us. You know, we`re struggling to understand some of the things that were done in the investigation, you know, why the Kalpoe brothers were released. They were covering up a crime. It tells us they have knowledge of a crime. And you know, we`re hoping with the witnesses that are coming forward now, we can find more reasons to bring them into custody and continue questioning them.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

GRACE: To Jossy Mansur. What is it exactly, Jossy, they`re looking for in the pond? We know this pond had very little water in it at the time Natalee went missing, so it`s not a body.

MANSUR: I don`t know what they`re looking for. Some say a shoe. I don`t know what kind of a shoe. But from the information that we have from the police, they are looking for a body somewhere near there.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

Welcome back, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us. Very quickly, to Natalee`s uncle. Joining us is Paul Reynolds. Paul, I understand that you took it upon yourself to go search the area of the of the Holiday Inn.

REYNOLDS: Actually, I was following the Equusearch people that were doing the ground-penetrating sonar over on the beach just north of the Marriott. And one of the Equusearch personnel that I was speaking to had found something suspicious over -- under some trees adjacent to the north side of the Marriott.

GRACE: Hold on. Hold on, Paul. This is a live shot of what he`s talking about, near the hotels. Go ahead, Paul.

REYNOLDS: We went over there and found a suspicious-looking bag, a small bag, but, you know, had a strong odor about it. We weren`t sure what it was. We were looking around the area. We detected some strange-looking mounds close to that and some strange odors coming in that area.

We contacted the police. They sent some detectives over there, and you know, brought a dog over there to check it out. You know, I`m not sure that we found anything, but you know, it gives us confidence in the responsiveness of the investigation, the intensity. You know, while Dave and Equusearch and all them are over at the landfill, you know, we`re still looking in other places. It`s -- you know, we`re -- it`s a multi-faceted investigation. And it`s this much awareness and intensity that gives us hope.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

GRACE: You are seeing a live shot, everyone, of a chopper flying around the pond, even as we speak. Apparently, all methods possible are being used to find Natalee at this juncture. Maybe it`s late. We`re into day 61, but it seems to me that we can learn a lot -- we can determine a lot by the seriousness in which they are pursuing, Susan Candiotti, this pond.

CANDIOTTI: Well, Nancy, of course, it`s important to note here, we don`t know what this helicopter is. I can`t tell, because it`s too dark, whether it`s a police helicopter. It could be a tourist helicopter. It could be a media-hired helicopter. We really do not know, and it`s really important to point that out. But it certainly is circling the pond with a searchlight.

GRACE: OK, let me -- Elizabeth, did you not just tell me that this is a police chopper? Right. Susan, we`re hearing on the ground in Aruba that this is a police chopper. But you are right. We can`t see it, but we`re being told that it is a pol ice chopper.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

And this from a June 11, 2005 Fox News Report
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Reports conflicted Saturday in developments of the Alabama honor student who has been missing in Aruba for almost two weeks.
David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

The mother of the 18-year-old told FOX News authorities had not yet contacted them with this information but did say that Natalee's father, who is divorced from her mother, was with investigators looking for the body.

These reports came after significant, and at times conflicting, developments with the five suspects being detained in the case.

The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.

To read the rest

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

Catch and release two. Judge Paul Van Der Sloot. We`ve gotten familiar with his backside as he runs from questions.
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Nancy Grace has such a way with words.
Perhaps Paulus showed us his backside because he didn't want us to see his front side that matches the man in the casino video.

From the linked 6-11 Fox News Report

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean.

Well, Oduber almost got it right.

It's not the something bad happening that is destroying their island. It's the coverup!

or the guy in the car by the painted

rocks

Yes, that too!
I looked at the picture comparisons of the guy in the car and Paulus. The profiles look like a match to me.

Abrams Report just had that Beth is going to be on today.

Julia Renfro was on Abrams just now. She said nothing we haven't already heard. Her underlying message was ALE is continuing to do all they can in this case. Sure they are, Julia.

Beth will be on next.

The word from Beth about this new witness is "skeptical."
She asks why didn't this witness act to help the woman he saw being harmed instead of just watching it go down?
Her response to whether ALE is still moving this case forward was: her only hope is in a NY judge letting the civil case go forward. No hope for any other justice.

You summed that up well.
I think she also said JQK is more skeptical than they are about the witness.

Yep, that's right. JQK isn't getting excited about this one either.

Anyone seen Taco lately? He's awfully quiet.
As much as Beau Dietl has been on TV lately and saying such harsh things about Taco's client, where is Taco with his threats to sue? Maybe Taco doesn't want to tango with Beau?
Taco was representing himself as a hard crispy shell, but it looks like he's just a soft rolled up tortilla.

Taco did what he said "friends of Joran" paid him to do, rehabilitate his image. He did a good job, don't you think?

He may not have changed my mind but his attacks on Beth and everyone else were effective weren't they?

Sure. Talk about throwing good money at bad. Aruba is out of money because the dirty money and not the toursim has left.

No van der sloot, no justice.

This witness is dreaming. No one can swim out far enough in an ocean while carrying a body AND carrying enough weights to weigh the body down so it wouldn't wash back to shore.

The person doing the swimming would have sank, also.

Also, we're supposed to believe he was able to tie weights on a person in deep water, far from shore?

Yeah, Taco did a great job rehabing Joran's image. I especially liked the prestigious listing of John Gotti as a Taco client listed along with Joran. All Joran needs now is Bill Clinton to vouch for him and his image rehab will be complete.

Maybe this witness is dreaming of big bucks?

As I was in the process of doing this interview, I ran across the statement Schippers made about manipultion/editing and decided I could not get an accurate meaning by just quotes, but I felt that this interview should be reviewed.

12-01-05 Dan Abrams

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/

ABRAMS (voice-over): Three of them, one that aired on the “Dr. Phil” show, one that the polygraph expert who appeared on that show says is the original and one the Arubans say makes it clear that someone played with the tapes. You can listen to them and decide for yourself and we get reaction from Natalee‘s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty.

ABRAMS: Arlene look, manipulation, there is no question that they edited the tape. OK, that they took things out, that they took out background...

ELLIS SCHIPPER: Manipulation is another word for editing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/